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EricaLubarsky · 03-11-2021, 06:56 PM

KP will make or break this team with his defense and rebounding

Thespiralgoeson · 03-13-2021, 12:42 PM

You people are high or something. KP isn't a top 40 player, let alone top 20.

EricaLubarsky · 03-13-2021, 12:44 PM

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You people are high or something. KP isn't a top 40 player, let alone top 20.

I'd MAYBE put him in the top 50

Murphy3 · 03-13-2021, 11:11 PM

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I'd MAYBE put him in the top 50

He hasn’t been a too 50 player this season. I put him in the top 50 because of his ability but not because of actual current year production.

Dallas41 · 03-13-2021, 11:18 PM

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He hasn’t been a too 50 player this season. I put him in the top 50 because of his ability but not because of actual current year production.

So your saying there's 50 players this year averaging 21 PPG, 9 Rebounds and 2 Blocks while shooting 48% from the FG & 35% from 3 with a per of 21.50?

Unicorn · 03-15-2021, 05:47 AM

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So your saying there's 50 players this year averaging 21 PPG, 9 Rebounds and 2 Blocks while shooting 48% from the FG & 35% from 3 with a per of 21.50?

Today he is in top 32 in scoring, top 17 in rebounds, top 8 in Blocks

Murphy3 · 03-15-2021, 02:24 PM

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So your saying there's 50 players this year averaging 21 PPG, 9 Rebounds and 2 Blocks while shooting 48% from the FG & 35% from 3 with a per of 21.50?

If he can stay on the court...yes. Absolutely. It is not about ability with him. It's about consistently being on the floor.

Unicorn · 03-15-2021, 05:59 AM

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He hasn’t been a too 50 player this season. I put him in the top 50 because of his ability but not because of actual current year production.

Today he is in top 32 in scoring, top 17 in rebounds, top 8 in Blocks

tap2390 · 03-15-2021, 10:58 AM

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Today he is in top 32 in scoring, top 17 in rebounds, top 8 in Blocks

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So your saying there's 50 players this year averaging 21 PPG, 9 Rebounds and 2 Blocks while shooting 48% from the FG & 35% from 3 with a per of 21.50?

This. We as fans collectively lack patience and for some reason Mavs fans seem especially prone to cynicism and undervaluing their own players.

Murphy3 · 03-15-2021, 02:29 PM

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Today he is in top 32 in scoring, top 17 in rebounds, top 8 in Blocks

Great. Again, it's not about ability. It's about being on the court consistently. He will probably miss 20+ games this year. He did the same last year in a shortened season. He missed the entire season the year before. He missed 34 the year before..16 the year before.. and 10 the year before.

He has played in 60% of regular season games in his career. That's awful. That doesn't even include missing three games in the playoffs when the Mavs had an opportunity to advance last year.

With that being said, I have not one time advocated trading the guy. He is supremely talented. But before I start anointing him as one of the top players in the league, I have to see him on the court a lot more often.

dirt_dobber · 03-16-2021, 11:42 AM

Player A: 23 games played this season, 20.8 points, 8.4 rebounds, FG 49.2%, 3-point 37.2%, FT 83.8.

Player B: 23 games played, 22.5 points, 8.4 rebounds, FG 53.3%, 3-point 29.3%, FT 71.5%.

Player A is @kporzee
Player B is @AntDavis23, out at least 2 more weeks with leg issues.

dirt_dobber · 03-16-2021, 11:43 AM

Player A: 23 games played this season, 20.8 points, 8.4 rebounds, FG 49.2%, 3-point 37.2%, FT 83.8.

Player B: 23 games played, 22.5 points, 8.4 rebounds, FG 53.3%, 3-point 29.3%, FT 71.5%.

Player A is @kporzee
Player B is @AntDavis23, out at least 2 more weeks with leg issues.

SMC0007 · 03-16-2021, 12:17 PM

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Player A: 23 games played this season, 20.8 points, 8.4 rebounds, FG 49.2%, 3-point 37.2%, FT 83.8.

Player B: 23 games played, 22.5 points, 8.4 rebounds, FG 53.3%, 3-point 29.3%, FT 71.5%.

Player A is @kporzee
Player B is @AntDavis23, out at least 2 more weeks with leg issues.

Those stats are convenient atm.

Player A missed the playoffs and start of this season.
Player B won a title and has a great chance to repeat.

Player A is not a noteworthy defender.
Player B is a defensive stud.

dirt_dobber · 03-16-2021, 12:25 PM

AND ---
And in less minutes (KP) 32.8 vs (AD) 30.3
And ~ 2 1/3 years younger

dirt_dobber · 03-16-2021, 12:26 PM

AND ---
And in less minutes (KP) 32.8 vs (AD) 30.3
And ~ 2 1/3 years younger

Thespiralgoeson · 03-16-2021, 09:38 PM

** double post

Thespiralgoeson · 03-16-2021, 09:38 PM

We're really comparing KP to Anthony friggin Davis? Let's set aside those cherry-picked numbers and compare their resumes, shall we?

Anthony Davis- 8x all-star. 4x all-nba first team. 2x all-defensive first team. 2x all-defensive second team. NBA champion.

Kristaps Porzingis- 1x all star.

KP's numbers are indeed comparable to AD's so far this year. But all that shows is that AD is having a poor season by his standards. Not that KP is remotely on his level.

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Those stats are convenient atm.

Player A missed the playoffs and start of this season.
Player B won a title and has a great chance to repeat.

Player A is not a noteworthy defender.
Player B is a defensive stud.

"Defensive stud" is an understatement. AD is one of the best defensive big men the game has ever seen. He's also the best lob-finisher ever. AD is a generational talent. He's probably a top 40 all time player, and will probably end his career higher than that. KP on the other hand will probably end his career without ever making an all-NBA team.

dirt_dobber · 03-17-2021, 05:22 AM

nah Thespiralgoeson - I'm not saying that KP is better - or even as good as - AD.
Just pointing out that 20 and 10 guys are hard to find.
Your point about AD's career is spot on and I agree with you.

Thespiralgoeson · 03-19-2021, 12:36 AM

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nah Thespiralgoeson - I'm not saying that KP is better - or even as good as - AD.
Just pointing out that 20 and 10 guys are hard to find.
Your point about AD's career is spot on and I agree with you.

Fair enough. KP does deserve credit. For a guy that a lot people- myself included- just wanted to be rid of earlier in the season, he has played through the adversity and seems like he's turned it around. He seems like he's found himself on defense again, and thank heavens for that.

Zeus · 03-19-2021, 11:45 PM

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nah Thespiralgoeson - I'm not saying that KP is better - or even as good as - AD.
Just pointing out that 20 and 10 guys are hard to find.
Your point about AD's career is spot on and I agree with you.

Let me know when he becomes a 20 and 10 guy. He is like a 20 and 8.5 or 9 guy.

MFFL · 03-30-2021, 08:12 AM

If KP can be healthy for this playoff run I don't care how many regular season games he misses

dirt_dobber · 04-16-2021, 05:42 AM

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Let me know when he becomes a 20 and 10 guy. He is like a 20 and 8.5 or 9 guy.

as of yesterday - 20.7 points and 9.3 reb - getting closer.

dirt_dobber · 03-17-2021, 05:22 AM

**damn** double post

EricaLubarsky · 03-19-2021, 11:46 PM

I mean, no one is arguing about KP being the perfect choice

We just give him a chance and almost get value for him or we dump him for scraps and end up a worse team while giving two future first round picks.

Zeus · 03-19-2021, 11:55 PM

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I mean, no one is arguing about KP being the perfect choice

We just give him a chance and almost get value for him or we dump him for scraps and end up a worse team while giving two future first round picks.

Perhaps someone will be enamored by his Unicorness and bite on a trade that lands us a significant piece of the puzzle. Not advocating dumping for scraps. Keep him if that's the case.

Murphy3 · 03-22-2021, 09:49 AM

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Perhaps someone will be enamored by his Unicorness and bite on a trade that lands us a significant piece of the puzzle. Not advocating dumping for scraps. Keep him if that's the case.

At this point, he is going to have to prove that he can stay on the court before you get anything remotely close to dollar to dollar value for the guy.

EricaLubarsky · 03-19-2021, 11:48 PM

I mean, no one is arguing about KP being the perfect choice

We just give him a chance and almost get value for him or we dump him for scraps and end up a worse team while giving two future first round picks.

EricaLubarsky · 03-30-2021, 09:17 AM

March - 21pts, 11reb, 2ast, 1blk on almost 50/40/82

But yeah, it only counts if he actually stays healthy when it matters (playoffs)

SMC0007 · 03-30-2021, 09:50 AM

KP scoring and rebounding is great. Kp getting 5 assists is big for us.

EricaLubarsky · 03-30-2021, 10:08 AM

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KP scoring and rebounding is great. Kp getting 5 assists is big for us.

Yeah I think the biggest step he's yet to take is his passing.

Rick doesn't seem to be even trying to develop a PnR/PnP game for KP/Doncic, instead preferring to do a euro-flow offense, which definitely fits Doncic's passing game and the rest of the team has gotten it. When KP learns how to not only get the pass in the flow but also keep it moving, we could be really deadly. We've seen flashes for sure

turin · 03-30-2021, 10:56 AM

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KP scoring and rebounding is great. Kp getting 5 assists is big for us.

I've always thought KP was a very good passer and would like to see more offense run through him as a facilitator. He's not going to create his own shot much, but at 7'3", dump the ball into him at the post and let him make a decision on what to do - pass out, hit cutters, et al. This works really well with Jokic in Denver, and I see no reason why this can't be explored with KP. KP doesn't have to be Jokic to be effective in this role. The lack of KP being used in this role should squarely be placed upon RC. I don't think it's the case that all of a sudden KP is a very good passer. He's just been poorly utilized. I think it's ridiculous how often he has been utilized like the world's tallest shooting guard on the offensive side. SMH

mac222b · 03-31-2021, 02:45 AM

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I've always thought KP was a very good passer and would like to see more offense run through him as a facilitator. He's not going to create his own shot much, but at 7'3", dump the ball into him at the post and let him make a decision on what to do - pass out, hit cutters, et al. This works really well with Jokic in Denver, and I see no reason why this can't be explored with KP. KP doesn't have to be Jokic to be effective in this role. The lack of KP being used in this role should squarely be placed upon RC. I don't think it's the case that all of a sudden KP is a very good passer. He's just been poorly utilized. I think it's ridiculous how often he has been utilized like the world's tallest shooting guard on the offensive side. SMH

I’d like to see more of this too. KP is reallllly slow to feel the double team coming though and compounds this by often bringing the ball down low. I’d like to see him catch it and hold it high— he’s like 7’3! Make him watch Kevin McHale highlights on a loop or something.

It can be taught or learned though; Dirk had this problem and it was part of our 2006-7 problems. He became a MUCH better passer out of the post by ‘11.

Dallas41 · 04-14-2021, 06:34 PM

Has Kp changed anyone mind yet?

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...espn:nba:teams

“We obviously think Porziņģis is a great young talent, similar in many ways to Dirk [Nowitzki],” Carlisle told ESPN Radio. “This is kind of a Dirk-and-[Steve] Nash type of situation, only these guys are taller.”

Dallas is 20-11 overall and 16-7 in games Porziņģis has played since Feb. 4, a stretch during which he’s averaging 21.5 points, 9.8 rebounds, 1.9 assists and 1.7 blocks in 31.1 minutes per game while shooting 49.5 percent from the field and connecting on 40.7 percent of his 6.3 threes a night. Meanwhile, the Mavericks offense, which had averaged 110.9 points per 100 possessions prior to the rotation switch, has surged to 117.8 points per 100 across the 31 games since then.

It’s the longest sustained stretch of elite-level individual offense Porziņģis has put together since the ACL injury. But there’s also been ample evidence throughout his Mavericks career that his mere presence on the floor is a net positive for the team’s offense.

Dallas41 · 04-14-2021, 06:34 PM

Has Kp changed anyone mind yet?

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...espn:nba:teams

“We obviously think Porziņģis is a great young talent, similar in many ways to Dirk [Nowitzki],” Carlisle told ESPN Radio. “This is kind of a Dirk-and-[Steve] Nash type of situation, only these guys are taller.”

Dallas is 20-11 overall and 16-7 in games Porziņģis has played since Feb. 4, a stretch during which he’s averaging 21.5 points, 9.8 rebounds, 1.9 assists and 1.7 blocks in 31.1 minutes per game while shooting 49.5 percent from the field and connecting on 40.7 percent of his 6.3 threes a night. Meanwhile, the Mavericks offense, which had averaged 110.9 points per 100 possessions prior to the rotation switch, has surged to 117.8 points per 100 across the 31 games since then.

It’s the longest sustained stretch of elite-level individual offense Porziņģis has put together since the ACL injury. But there’s also been ample evidence throughout his Mavericks career that his mere presence on the floor is a net positive for the team’s offense.

Skywalker · 04-14-2021, 07:38 PM

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Has Kp changed anyone mind yet?

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...espn:nba:teams

“We obviously think Porziņģis is a great young talent, similar in many ways to Dirk [Nowitzki],” Carlisle told ESPN Radio. “This is kind of a Dirk-and-[Steve] Nash type of situation, only these guys are taller.”

Dallas is 20-11 overall and 16-7 in games Porziņģis has played since Feb. 4, a stretch during which he’s averaging 21.5 points, 9.8 rebounds, 1.9 assists and 1.7 blocks in 31.1 minutes per game while shooting 49.5 percent from the field and connecting on 40.7 percent of his 6.3 threes a night. Meanwhile, the Mavericks offense, which had averaged 110.9 points per 100 possessions prior to the rotation switch, has surged to 117.8 points per 100 across the 31 games since then.

It’s the longest sustained stretch of elite-level individual offense Porziņģis has put together since the ACL injury. But there’s also been ample evidence throughout his Mavericks career that his mere presence on the floor is a net positive for the team’s offense.

And yet people want to reduce him to a role player.

Dallas41 · 04-14-2021, 09:10 PM

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And yet people want to reduce him to a role player.

Yeah him and Luka just need better surrounding players.

Give them that and I believe KP is good enough to be your 2nd option on a contending team.

turin · 04-15-2021, 01:07 PM

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Yeah him and Luka just need better surrounding players.

Give them that and I believe KP is good enough to be your 2nd option on a contending team.

I agree 100%. The question is whether or not the existing coaching staff can realize that potential. I am less confident in the coaches being up to the task than I am of KP being able to fill that role.

Dallas41 · 04-15-2021, 06:36 PM

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I agree 100%. The question is whether or not the existing coaching staff can realize that potential. I am less confident in the coaches being up to the task than I am of KP being able to fill that role.

well it took them 60 games but at least they are finally getting him involved more in the 4th qtr's.

He had a really nice drive last night late in the game where he put the ball on the floor and split two defenders for a bucket.

EricaLubarsky · 04-16-2021, 08:41 AM

I think he has two issues

1) he’s fragile. Literally made of glass.

2) he doesn’t really get along with Doncic. No on-court chemistry and you even look at the game winner and KP seems unhappy and barely congratulated him.

turin · 04-16-2021, 09:02 AM

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I think he has two issues

1) he’s fragile. Literally made of glass.

2) he doesn’t really get along with Doncic. No on-court chemistry and you even look at the game winner and KP seems unhappy and barely congratulated him.

In Kp's defense, load management contributes enormously to this perception. His most recent injury was due to knocking knees iirc. I may be wrong on that account, but if this is the case, then I'm not sure I'd call that glass. He's 7'3" so him knocking knees is different physically than smaller players, and smaller players alse get injured at times when this happens. It could just be bad luck, but there's no denying concerns regarding injury, especially the cumulative effect of prior injuries.