NBA Season 17-18: General Thread - Page 12 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Magnum_3_Ball · 01-28-2018, 10:43 PM

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Yeah it would take a third team or something but they don’t even have any other assets really. I think it’s moot because I think they hold on to Ferguson unless someone calls and offers a real difference maker. Kid looks for real

It's probably a lot like the Cavs with their Brooklyn pick too. Unless the Thunder know for sure PG13 is resigning with them, really hard for them to trade his apparent heir to the throne on the wing.

Edit: On the other hand, if PG13 does resign with OKC, then prying Ferguson away from the Thunder is probably very doable.

saclare · 01-29-2018, 06:10 PM

WOJ BOMB

@wojespn: The Clippers and Pistons are engaged in serious talks on a deal centered on All-Star forward Blake Griffin, league sources tell ESPN.

saclare · 01-29-2018, 06:34 PM

Aaand apparently a deal is done.

@wojespn: The Clippers have agreed to a deal to send Blake Griffin to the Detroit Pistons, league sources tell ESPN.

@ShamsCharania: Sources: Clippers, Pistons are finalizing a deal that would send Blake Griffin, Willie Reed for Tobias Harris, Avery Bradley and a draft pick. Multiple players involved have been informed of deal.

Underdog · 01-29-2018, 06:39 PM

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Aaand apparently a deal is done.

@wojespn: The Clippers have agreed to a deal to send Blake Griffin to the Detroit Pistons, league sources tell ESPN.

@ShamsCharania: Sources: Clippers, Pistons are finalizing a deal that would send Blake Griffin, Willie Reed for Tobias Harris, Avery Bradley and a draft pick. Multiple players involved have been informed of deal.

Details in:

@wojespn: The Clippers and Pistons have agreed on a deal to trade Blake Griffin for Tobias Harris, Avery Bradley, Boban Marjanovic, a first-round and a second-round draft pick, league sources tell ESPN.

Kidd Karma · 01-29-2018, 06:43 PM

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@wojespn: The Clippers and Pistons have agreed on a deal to trade Blake Griffin for Tobias Harris, Avery Bradley, Boban Marjanovic, a first-round and a second-round draft pick, league sources tell ESPN.

Clippers blowing it up, DeAndre only one left standing. Funny how that works out 3 years later.

EricaLubarsky · 01-29-2018, 06:47 PM

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Clippers blowing it up, DeAndre only one left standing. Funny how that works out 3 years later.

No, DeAndre. You can't come to Dallas now. We have a new DeAndre on our minds just like we got another Dwight when he spurned us.

Underdog · 01-29-2018, 06:38 PM

Wow, that deal seems outta left field.

sefant77 · 01-29-2018, 06:50 PM

Bahahaha Blake....enjoy Detroit

saclare · 01-29-2018, 06:58 PM

Detroit got fleeced, IMO. That Griffin contract is HUGE for a player I do not think worthy of it. He is a very good player, but limited, IMO. He can't be THE guy and that's what that contract demands.

The 1st round pick thrown in was apparently 1-4 protected until 2021 then straight unprotected. I don't get this trade for Detroit while I can see why Clippers would do it for sure.

Kidd Karma · 01-29-2018, 07:10 PM

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Detroit got fleeced, IMO. That Griffin contract is HUGE for a player I do not think worthy of it. He is a very good player, but limited, IMO. He can't be THE guy and that's what that contract demands.

The 1st round pick thrown in was apparently 1-4 protected until 2021 then straight unprotected. I don't get this trade for Detroit while I can see why Clippers would do it for sure.

With Van Gundy in charge on both levels, you'd imagine it's a pure basketball move, can't really see it as a basketball move. You are 3 games out of a pretty competitive 7-8 spots in the standing, giving up something that can amount to a lottery is a bit risky. You give up your top 2 scorers, for a good piece, if you're a Piston fan, you got to hope that SVG knows something about Reggie Bullock and Stan Johnson that we don't know, because those 2 will probably benefit the most minutes wise without Harris/Bradley.

From a box office perspective....sure get a few lookiloos.....but boy you finally open up your new arena to 80% capacity on average....I can't see Griffin as the piece that helps you sellout the remainder of the season.

saclare · 01-29-2018, 07:30 PM

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With Van Gundy in charge on both levels, you'd imagine it's a pure basketball move, can't really see it as a basketball move. You are 3 games out of a pretty competitive 7-8 spots in the standing, giving up something that can amount to a lottery is a bit risky. You give up your top 2 scorers, for a good piece, if you're a Piston fan, you got to hope that SVG knows something about Reggie Bullock and Stan Johnson that we don't know, because those 2 will probably benefit the most minutes wise without Harris/Bradley.

From a box office perspective....sure get a few lookiloos.....but boy you finally open up your new arena to 80% capacity on average....I can't see Griffin as the piece that helps you sellout the remainder of the season.

Should also allow Kennard to see more action, one would think.

But that pick will likely convey as a lottery this year. I just dunno why the Piston think they get better on court with this one.

Kidd Karma · 01-29-2018, 07:47 PM

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Should also allow Kennard to see more action, one would think.

But that pick will likely convey as a lottery this year. I just dunno why the Piston think they get better on court with this one.

Blake, that's pretty much it. From the outside looking in, it was a futile attempt. Desperation? SVG's 5 year contract expires after the 18-19 season, so without an extension, he's a lame duck heading into this offseason. 1 playoff berth in his first 3 years and might as well chalk it up to a 4th.

Kidd Karma · 01-29-2018, 07:22 PM

I guess I shoulda known this was a cursory leak by SVG to drive up Avery's value......before he pulled the trigger.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/n...avery-bradley/

mac222b · 01-29-2018, 08:38 PM

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I guess I shoulda known this was a cursory leak by SVG to drive up Avery's value......before he pulled the trigger.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/n...avery-bradley/

It seemed to have the opposite effect. SVG got straight fleeced!

BPo001 · 01-29-2018, 07:49 PM

It's a star driven league and Detroit hasn't had one in a while. Maybe they hope Griffin can help lure another star to join him? Not really sure what the Clippers plan is? Obviously they appear to be starting a rebuild. I have no idea what either teams contract situations look like though.

EricaLubarsky · 01-29-2018, 08:38 PM

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It's a star driven league and Detroit hasn't had one in a while. Maybe they hope Griffin can help lure another star to join him? Not really sure what the Clippers plan is? Obviously they appear to be starting a rebuild. I have no idea what either teams contract situations look like though.

Maybe, but Griffin is a jerk. Not a lot of stars like him now.

sefant77 · 01-29-2018, 08:41 PM

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Maybe, but Griffin is a jerk. Not a lot of stars like him now.

Well...that was their brand new arena at opening night...

mac222b · 01-29-2018, 08:41 PM

Why couldn’t we hire Jerry West? We got...one month of Cesar Rosas

Underdog · 01-29-2018, 08:43 PM

@TheSteinLine: The Clippers clearly believe they can make it onto LeBron James' free-agent short list come July and, according to league sources, will indeed move DeAndre Jordan and Lou Williams before the Feb. 8 trade deadline if they can find workable deals to help them in that quest

sefant77 · 01-29-2018, 08:45 PM

lol...sure...Lebron is going to choose the eternal loser franchise when he could also the Lakers together with PG

mac222b · 01-29-2018, 08:48 PM

It’s not impossible. If they can clear cap they can get PG and trade the draft picks. Agree though it’s a lot less likely

mac222b · 01-29-2018, 08:49 PM

But fully expect the front runner of all front runners to go to Houston

mac222b · 01-29-2018, 08:49 PM

Knicks with an outside shot

BPo001 · 01-29-2018, 09:36 PM

tap2390 · 01-29-2018, 10:23 PM

Hawks take out T-Wolves and we should lose to the Heat -- all in all a good day.

Magnum_3_Ball · 01-30-2018, 02:29 PM

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Grizz destroying the Suns

Mavs MUST lose against Phoenix Wednesday

So true!

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Hawks take out T-Wolves and we should lose to the Heat -- all in all a good day.

Yup yup!

EricaLubarsky · 01-29-2018, 09:36 PM

Grizz destroying the Suns

Mavs MUST lose against Phoenix Wednesday

mac222b · 01-30-2018, 01:52 PM

Mirotic to NO for Asik and 1st

No one wants the Tank Commander

saclare · 01-30-2018, 02:35 PM

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Mirotic to NO for Asik and 1st

No one wants the Tank Commander

Deal fell apart. There's still hope.

BPo001 · 01-29-2018, 09:50 PM

Marc Stein‏Verified account
@TheSteinLine
The Clippers clearly believe they can make it onto LeBron James' free-agent short list come July and, according to league sources, will indeed move DeAndre Jordan and Lou Williams before the Feb. 8 trade deadline if they can find workable deals to help them in that quest

Kidd Karma · 01-30-2018, 12:25 PM

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Marc Stein‏Verified account
@TheSteinLine
The Clippers clearly believe they can make it onto LeBron James' free-agent short list come July and, according to league sources, will indeed move DeAndre Jordan and Lou Williams before the Feb. 8 trade deadline if they can find workable deals to help them in that quest

Given the Jerry West ties, Kevin Durant might be the prize.

Underdog · 01-29-2018, 10:03 PM

@espn_macmahon: One scout's take on Blake Griffin going to Detroit: "It'll be the best thing for his career." Compared it to Chris Webber going to Sacramento, where he had his best seasons. "He'll have no choice but to focus on basketball."

BPo001 · 01-30-2018, 02:39 PM

: John Wall will undergo a knee procedure tomorrow (described as a clean up). He will miss six weeks & will not play in upcoming All-Star weekend, The Washington Post has learned.

mac222b · 01-30-2018, 03:00 PM

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: John Wall will undergo a knee procedure tomorrow (described as a clean up). He will miss six weeks & will not play in upcoming All-Star weekend, The Washington Post has learned.

Didnt deserve to be an all-star anyway. Maybe they want Devin? Though we'd probably just hang on to him rather than take a crappy 2nd

Magnum_3_Ball · 01-30-2018, 03:54 PM

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Didnt deserve to be an all-star anyway. Maybe they want Devin? Though we'd probably just hang on to him rather than take a crappy 2nd

What I heard on that Front Office roundtable podcast on Adrian Wojnarowski's podcast is that teams bounce hundreds of trade ideas between each other, but only a handful actually get done. They said the ones that get done almost always take weeks, sometimes months or even a full year to get worked out.

I think things like "Wall just got hurt. Now the Wizards are gonna need to trade with us..." those kinda thoughts are for the fans, for fun. The real trade process in the NBA moves much slower than that.

If the Mavs are going to work out a trade before the deadline, it's almost certain it's a deal they've been working on already for weeks.

Kidd Karma · 01-30-2018, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Magnum_3_Ball

What I heard on that Front Office roundtable podcast on Adrian Wojnarowski's podcast is that teams bounce hundreds of trade ideas between each other, but only a handful actually get done. They said the ones that get done almost always take weeks, sometimes months or even a full year to get worked out.

I think things like "Wall just got hurt. Now the Wizards are gonna need to trade with us..." those kinda thoughts are for the fans, for fun. The real trade process in the NBA moves much slower than that.

If the Mavs are going to work out a trade before the deadline, it's almost certain it's a deal they've been working on already for weeks.

One trade side, sometimes "leaks" their trade block to gauge player value. All part of the long arduous process.

Wall's been having knee issues, dating back to last season, so they've known that surgery was getting close. Tim Frazier will be adequate. Beal can also step in as well.

Underdog · 01-30-2018, 03:28 PM

@wojespn: New Orleans and Chicago had a deal for Nikola Mirotic, but it's fallen apart for now, league sources tell ESPN.

@BIuesTraveIer: woj made them cancel this deal because he didn't report it first

Magnum_3_Ball · 01-30-2018, 03:59 PM

On the brightside, the Wizards play @ ORL next Saturday, and @ CHI the following Saturday before the All Star break. Gives those 2 teams a better chance of winning, which is nice for 2 teams in our way to the #1 pick overall LOL

EricaLubarsky · 01-30-2018, 09:11 PM

Magic leading Rockets at the half. Man, it won’t last but wouldn’t it be nice

Nets May also be the worst team in the league and no picks for them

BPo001 · 01-30-2018, 09:37 PM

Cavs interest in Powell??

Breaking: Kevin Love has a broken left hand and will be out 6-8 weeks, sources tell ESPN.