Just lost my appetite! - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

dude1394 · 07-19-2012, 02:27 PM

I was having a po'boy at a new restaurant in Richardson called wicked po'boys. Good stuff, joe bob says checking out.

On comes team USA against I believe great Britain. They flash up the starting five for team USA.

Deron Williams
Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Kevin Durant
Tyson Chandler.

Now let's be honest, do you really think that dirk, Tyson, deron are not big three enough?

I almost lost my étouffée.

LonghornDub · 07-19-2012, 02:35 PM

Good thread. I was just thinking that the Tyson Chandler issue warrants further discussion.

Murphy3 · 07-19-2012, 02:43 PM

Can never have enough Tyson Chandler talk.. besides, things are about to die down on the forum for awhile.. need something to talk about.

ribosoma · 07-19-2012, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Good thread. I was just thinking that the Tyson Chandler issue warrants further discussion.

So I am now cleaning up the hibiscus tea that shot out of my mouth and yes, a little out of my nose, due to this classic. Thanks

stoble · 07-19-2012, 02:48 PM

Nope, not if you don't have Johnny Capspace, and Peter Powderdry coming off the bench.

Underdog · 07-19-2012, 02:49 PM

Actually, it is worth noting that nobody has been talking about Team USA around these parts... It's really the only thing going on right now.

ribosoma · 07-19-2012, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stoble

Nope, not if you don't have Johnny Capspace, and Peter Powderdry coming off the bench.

I've heard of Johnny Capspace, but Peter Powderdry is new to me. Maybe I just don't swing in the right community for that sort of thing.

LonghornDub · 07-19-2012, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murphy3

Can never have enough Tyson Chandler talk..

I agree wholeheartedly. Let's discuss further. I insist.

markus1234 · 07-19-2012, 03:21 PM

Tyson+Dirk would not be enough to get Deron. Deron wanted money and a good life in NJ. He won't even make the finals during his career,...and he could not care less about it. This is how i see it.

sefant77 · 07-19-2012, 03:46 PM

Tyson with 14-15M + Dirk + capholds = no max for deron....

Bayliss · 07-19-2012, 03:51 PM

Dude, see that horse over there? You haven't beat it enough.

Underdog · 07-19-2012, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bayliss

Dude, see that horse over there? You haven't beat it enough.

I don't think horse900703 posts here anymore...

nowhereman · 07-19-2012, 03:56 PM

If 3D was cap feasible, there's no reason Dirk-Deron-Tyson couldn't work. Probably would have given us some extra $ to fill out the roster too.

jthig32 · 07-19-2012, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nowhereman

If 3D was cap feasible, there's no reason Dirk-Deron-Tyson couldn't work. Probably would have given us some extra $ to fill out the roster too.

Dirk-Deron-Tyson, with the entire rest of the roster gone, leaves 2Mil for other players.

Dirk/Deron/Tyson plus a roster of roster of players on veteran minimums does not work, imo.

nowhereman · 07-19-2012, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Dirk-Deron-Tyson, with the entire rest of the roster gone, leaves 2Mil for other players.

Dirk/Deron/Tyson plus a roster of roster of players on veteran minimums does not work, imo.

Tyson at 13.5 million next year
Dirk at 20.9 million next year
Deron at 17.8 million next year

= 52.2 million (assuming we couldn't have kept Tyson for a million or two cheaper). Cap is 58 mil, apron is a few million above that.

If 3D could work, no reason this couldn't work for less money (though I'm not sure how the exceptions and cap-holds would work for a sign and trade for Deron, I refuse to believe there isn't an angle where this wouldn't work for less money). It's 2/3rds of the team USA starting lineup and the FMVP. And we would have already had 2 of the 3 pieces in place.

Kante · 07-19-2012, 04:34 PM

Yay, another thread about Chandler...

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-19-2012, 04:45 PM

jthig32 · 07-19-2012, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nowhereman

Tyson at 13.5 million next year
Dirk at 20.9 million next year
Deron at 17.8 million next year

= 52.2 million (assuming we couldn't have kept Tyson for a million or two cheaper). Cap is 58 mil, apron is a few million above that.

If 3D could work, no reason this couldn't work for less money (though I'm not sure how the exceptions and cap-holds would work for a sign and trade for Deron, I refuse to believe there isn't an angle where this wouldn't work for less money). It's 2/3rds of the team USA starting lineup and the FMVP. And we would have already had 2 of the 3 pieces in place.

There's no "apron" for the cap. That's for the Tax Line.
You have to add in a roster hold for spots 3-12. I did the math. I wasn't guessing.

And I even used 17Mil for Deron's contract, because I didn't feel like looking up the number. If it's actually 17.8, then there's even less to spend.

3D would only have worked if the cap went up or Deron and Howard took less than max.

Believe what you want, I'm just making sure the numbers being discussed are correct.

roadrunner · 07-19-2012, 05:10 PM

Tyson is so 2011, maybe its time to let it go?

Spurred1 · 07-19-2012, 05:35 PM

Dammit-let the fucking topic of Tyson Chandler die already.
Get over it. Move on. Stop whining about something that cannot be redone/reversed.

ribosoma · 07-19-2012, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roadrunner

Tyson is so 2011, maybe its time to let it go?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxaWvJ-ziXA

roadrunner · 07-19-2012, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ribosoma

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxaWvJ-ziXA

Hahahaha, that's funny! Slowmo replay is priceless. +rep

nowhereman · 07-19-2012, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spurred1

Dammit-let the fucking topic of Tyson Chandler die already.
Get over it. Move on. Stop whining about something that cannot be redone/reversed.

No one's forcing or asking you to post in this thread if you don't want to talk about Tyson Chandler. But some of us think the FO's decision to blow up a championship team, and that the Mavs could have feasibly had the FMVP and 2/5th of Team USA's starting lineup, merits ongoing discussion. At least, it deserves more discussion than months and months of talking about whether Deron and Dwight would take less than the max to come to Dallas.

Anyway, I think Tyson's a better center than Deron is a point guard, and I think center is a more important position to fill. I also think a bird in hand is worth more than two in the bush. I'd say a solid chunk of posters here agree with me, especially after watching the crap team we put out last year, and in anticipation of all the one-year players we're putting out there this year.

howdoesmydirktaste · 07-19-2012, 06:29 PM

I think the only thing that will shut up the Chandler talk is a season-ending injury. I hope that never happens, but that may be the only thing that will shut every one up.

That or if we win a title without him.

jthig32 · 07-19-2012, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nowhereman

Anyway, I think Tyson's a better center than Deron is a point guard, and I think center is a more important position to fill. I also think a bird in hand is worth more than two in the bush. I'd say a solid chunk of posters here agree with me, especially after watching the crap team we put out last year, and in anticipation of all the one-year players we're putting out there this year.

I feel pretty confident that there is a not a large contingent on this board that thinks that Deron Williams is a better, or more valuable player than Tyson Chandler.

I would hope that most people on this board don't think it's particularly close, either.

ribosoma · 07-19-2012, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nowhereman

No one's forcing or asking you to post in this thread if you don't want to talk about Tyson Chandler. But some of us think the FO's decision to blow up a championship team, and that the Mavs could have feasibly had the FMVP and 2/5th of Team USA's starting lineup, merits ongoing discussion. At least, it deserves more discussion than months and months of talking about whether Deron and Dwight would take less than the max to come to Dallas.

Anyway, I think Tyson's a better center than Deron is a point guard, and I think center is a more important position to fill. I also think a bird in hand is worth more than two in the bush. I'd say a solid chunk of posters here agree with me, especially after watching the crap team we put out last year, and in anticipation of all the one-year players we're putting out there this year.

If by "solid chunk of posters" you mean "guys who don't bother themselves with the basic math of paying a non-franchise player max money under a new CBA and thereby guaranteeing that you will not be able to significantly add talent in the foreseeable future", then yes, you and your ilk are very, very solid.

chumdawg · 07-19-2012, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ribosoma

If by "solid chunk of posters" you mean "guys who don't bother themselves with the basic math of paying a non-franchise player max money under a new CBA and thereby guaranteeing that you will not be able to significantly add talent in the foreseeable future", then yes, you and your ilk are very, very solid.

I got really confused when I read your post the first time, because naturally I thought you were referring to Williams here.

Budapest Maverick · 07-19-2012, 07:26 PM

My 2 cents here: I think the idea that Chandler would have been a game changer for Deron comes from the fact that he said, the Joe Johnson trade put him over the top.

Problem is, i didn't buy that from the moment he said it. I think he did it for the money, and because of New-York. So to me, the whole premise of the thread is questionable, and not because it's about Chandler again.

Can anybody put together a sound argument that Tyson Chandler could have been the difference maker in Deron's decision? I mean, why would Tyson Chandler would have made any difference? With all due respect to his presence on our championship team, the guy never made an all-star team.

ribosoma · 07-19-2012, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chumdawg

I got really confused when I read your post the first time, because naturally I thought you were referring to Williams here.

No, I'm one of the lost posters, out in the wilderness, who think that Deron is the best PG in the league, and that Tyson is light years away from being the best center in the league.

The irony I see in all this Tyson business is that many of the posters who have been bashing the front office for letting him go are the same ones who were underestimating him when he was signed here. I don't underrate him or overrate him. He is what he is; a very good center, but not a franchise player you pay max money to under the new CBA. I don't fault him a bit for taking a better guarantee or more money, and I don't fault Cuban for letting him take that money somewhere else.

With some of these posters, there will always be something to bitch about, be it ticket prices, roster moves, a coaching decision, etc. A franchise winning its first title seems to bring out the best and worst in a fan base. The entitlement is high in Dallas, and a few posters here embody that to the hilt, like spoiled children. The is no rational debate to be had, there is no reason or logic, there is just rhetoric and absolutes along with the redundant, flaccid, broken record posts that derail just about every thread here. If this exemplifies the "good old days" here, it's time someone took that old hag back behind the barn and put it to rest.

jthig32 · 07-19-2012, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

My 2 cents here: I think the idea that Chandler would have been a game changer for Deron comes from the fact that he said, the Joe Johnson trade put him over the top.

Problem is, i didn't buy that from the moment he said it. I think he did it for the money, and because of New-York. So to me, the whole premise of the thread is questionable, and not because it's about Chandler again.

Can anybody put together a sound argument that Tyson Chandler could have been the difference maker in Deron's decision? I mean, why would Tyson Chandler would have made any difference? With all due respect to his presence on our championship team, the guy never made an all-star team.

I think it's possible because of team USA. But again, you're talking about Dirk/Deron/Tyson, one or two useable pieces and the vet minimums.

So first you have to convince Deron that joining up for that roster makes sense. And then you have to actually make that roster work. And I think it would have been almost impossible.

Murphy3 · 07-19-2012, 07:58 PM

Sure, it would have been tough for this year. However, there's no way to know what Tyson would have took to stay here. And Dirk's contract is expiring. That would likely open up more room to sign players. I think we'll see Dirk take significantly less this next contract to give the Mavs more flexibility.

Obviously, this is all flexibility. Personally, I'm more than ready to move on. Yeah, the Mavs screwed the pooch a bit.. but, so be it.

EricaLubarsky · 07-19-2012, 08:44 PM

Im still upset about Nash. If Cuban hadnt been cheap and offered him what he was worth, he'd still be here and we'd have a championship.

howdoesmydirktaste · 07-19-2012, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Im still upset about Nash. If Cuban hadnt been cheap and offered him what he was worth, he'd still be here and we'd have a championship.

Can't prove it.

Or are you being sarcastic?

Dirkadirkastan · 07-19-2012, 08:56 PM

Before I read this thread, can somebody tell me if there are any ideas brought to the table here that haven't already been rehashed several times over elsewhere on this board?

chumdawg · 07-19-2012, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Im still upset about Nash. If Cuban hadnt been cheap and offered him what he was worth, he'd still be here and we'd have a championship.

I know, right?

roadrunner · 07-19-2012, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

Before I read this thread, can somebody tell me if there are any ideas brought to the table here that haven't already been rehashed several times over elsewhere on this board?

There does seem to be a breakthrough now that some are revisiting letting Nash walk in 2004.

ribosoma · 07-19-2012, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Im still upset about Nash. If Cuban hadnt been cheap and offered him what he was worth, he'd still be here and we'd have a championship.

Love it. What about the Aguirre for Dantley trade? Or letting Sam Perkins get away to the Lakers? How about Detlef Schrempf for Herb Williams?

Rick41 · 07-19-2012, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bayliss

You haven't beat it enough.

That's what she said!

sefant77 · 07-19-2012, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ribosoma

Love it. What about the Aguirre for Dantley trade? Or letting Sam Perkins get away to the Lakers? How about Detlef Schrempf for Herb Williams?

Damn Jason Kidd trade...but yeah, that wasnt Cuban

Murphy3 · 07-19-2012, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

Before I read this thread, can somebody tell me if there are any ideas brought to the table here that haven't already been rehashed several times over elsewhere on this board?

Did you know that everything posted everywhere else on this forum is 100% original? I know..awesome, right?

It's pretty awesome how a bunch of you decide to circle jerk and gang up on someone every time you get a chance.