"NBA lockout could force Kidd to retire" - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

sefant77 · 03-18-2011, 07:01 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...irement_031811

Some of his quotes:

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“This could be it because it would be hard to come back after a lockout,” Kidd told Yahoo! Sports. “I would probably move on and join the next chapter of what I would be doing in life. But I hope that isn’t the case where it just ended without having one more season.”

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“I wouldn’t mind seeing what his business was all about with the hotel business and understanding the success that he’s had here in the States and also in Macau,” Kidd said. “Also … hopefully I can go upstairs [to an NBA team’s front office] and put the pieces together with a basketball franchise. That would be fun. Front office or maybe coaching, play a little golf and look at it from a different side.”

BGMaverick9 · 03-18-2011, 07:07 PM

If I heard correctly, there might be more to this story in the coming days.

b_o_r · 03-18-2011, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

If I heard correctly, there might be more to this story in the coming days.

Stop leaving cookie crumbs in the bed.

JayR · 03-18-2011, 08:33 PM

if kidd goes, dallas' offense is gona go with it

deamon · 03-18-2011, 08:44 PM

Kidd deserves to win a title, but lately he plays like he doesn't care anymore.

Rick41 · 03-18-2011, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JayR

if kidd goes, dallas' offense is gona go with it

Dirk is still here brah.

JayR · 03-18-2011, 09:34 PM

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Dirk is still here brah.

we run our whole offense through kidd. thats why when kidd gets subbed everyone looks lost out there on offense. with the way dallas is playing today i wouldnt mind dirk bringin up the ball and shooting it every time

mac222b · 03-18-2011, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

If I heard correctly, there might be more to this story in the coming days.

Let me guess... he actually retired over the all-star break? and what we're seeing now is an apparition... a ghost of used to be Kidd

CadBane · 03-18-2011, 10:04 PM

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we run our whole offense through kidd. thats why when kidd gets subbed everyone looks lost out there on offense. with the way dallas is playing today i wouldnt mind dirk bringin up the ball and shooting it every time

Not sure if serious?

JeffViggiano · 03-18-2011, 10:04 PM

kidd is gone,no ring for you jason.i'm sorry.

Kidd Karma · 03-22-2011, 07:32 PM

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if kidd goes, dallas' offense is gona go with it

With a full camp, I doubt it. Roddy would take the reigns by default, by with a full camp, he should be fine. Butler, Brewer/Terry/Dirk, Tyson up front, Marion off the bench. It'll be fine.

Murphy3 · 03-22-2011, 09:32 PM

...I don't think the offense will all of a sudden tank without Kidd.. not in the least.

Alykhan04 · 03-22-2011, 09:55 PM

Nash, Jet, Harris, Kidd...we've had a lot of point guards/pretend point guards next to Dirk. I don't think it'd be that much trouble to add to that list.

SMC0007 · 03-23-2011, 10:45 AM

Fair enough

BGMaverick9 · 03-23-2011, 10:47 AM

Today is Kidd's 38th birthday.

Underdog · 03-23-2011, 10:53 AM

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Today is Kidd's 38th birthday.

It looks like his game turned 38 a couple weeks ago...

JeffViggiano · 03-23-2011, 11:32 AM

we want deron!!!!

mavsfan1000 · 03-23-2011, 11:33 AM

Kidd is pretty much done anyways. We probably would need an offseason to get Beaubois tuned differently for point guard but I think we'll be alright.

Underdog · 03-23-2011, 11:37 AM

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Kidd is pretty much done anyways. We probably would need an offseason to get Beaubois tuned differently for point guard but I think we'll be alright.

How many years did it take Devin Harris to become an NBA-caliber point guard?

And Devin Harris was a lot further along when he came into this league than Roddy Beaubois (who has never played PG in his life). I'd give it 3 more seasons (if ever) before he's ready to lead a team that has championship aspirations.

Underdog · 03-23-2011, 11:38 AM

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we want deron!!!!

This.

BGMaverick9 · 03-23-2011, 11:44 AM

I don't have anything to back it up, but I would think the Mavs will make a big push for Nash in the summer.

SMC0007 · 03-23-2011, 11:47 AM

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How many years did it take Devin Harris to become an NBA-caliber point guard?

And Devin Harris was a lot further along when he came into this league than Roddy Beaubois (who has never played PG in his life). I'd give it 3 more seasons (if ever) before he's ready to lead a team that has championship aspirations.

YEah, Roddy most likely won't be able to run that level team before Dirk is done and gone.

Kidd Karma · 03-23-2011, 12:02 PM

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I don't have anything to back it up, but I would think the Mavs will make a big push for Nash in the summer.

With things going down hill in PHX, would think they'd want to start fresh. Lopez is not getting any better, VC has seen better days, Hill has proven his worth or 82 games, but has nothing to show for it, Warrick is your 3rd forward, not a starting 4 in this league. Childress seems to play like he's on Greek time. Would be a nice add to the Mavs.

iella · 03-23-2011, 12:16 PM

Did you guys watch the PHX-LAL game last night? That one play (Iforget which overtime) where Nash was trapped on the sideline and made a behind the back pass while falling out of bounds, still maintaining his pivot foot so as to not travel... unreal.

deamon · 03-23-2011, 03:57 PM

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I don't have anything to back it up, but I would think the Mavs will make a big push for Nash in the summer.

He's just one year younger than Kidd.
So only Deron.

BGMaverick9 · 03-23-2011, 04:02 PM

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He's just one year younger than Kidd.
So only Deron.

And they're EXACTLY the same player

riiiiiight.

Kidd Karma · 03-23-2011, 04:26 PM

I would assume they'd hang on to Kidd and combine him with Nash, splitting their minutes in half.

grndmstr_c · 03-23-2011, 04:55 PM

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I don't have anything to back it up, but I would think the Mavs will make a big push for Nash in the summer.

I'm curious what kind of an offer you're envisioning Dallas making.

BGMaverick9 · 03-23-2011, 05:07 PM

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I'm curious what kind of an offer you're envisioning Dallas making.

Well, based on PHX...I still think they'd want to unload Childress in some form or fashion. I think the Mavs would love to have Hill with Nash but I don't see how that would work out. The CBA might be a factor but I would think the Mavs could use S&T options with Butler and/or Stevenson to help facilitate a deal. Prior to the Brewer signing, I think they would've been hesitant to move BOTH. But if you get a full off-season with Brewer and still have Marion, you're OK at the SF position. The question then becomes, do you throw in Beaubois? Phoenix WILL ask for him, they have to. If you're giving up the face of your franchise and the other team really isn't giving you more than "fillers" in their eyes, you've got to ask for the best young piece available.

If you're about winning now, Nash would be a move of that ilk.

Kidd Karma · 03-23-2011, 05:23 PM

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Well, based on PHX...I still think they'd want to unload Childress in some form or fashion. I think the Mavs would love to have Hill with Nash but I don't see how that would work out. The CBA might be a factor but I would think the Mavs could use S&T options with Butler and/or Stevenson to help facilitate a deal. Prior to the Brewer signing, I think they would've been hesitant to move BOTH. But if you get a full off-season with Brewer and still have Marion, you're OK at the SF position. The question then becomes, do you throw in Beaubois? Phoenix WILL ask for him, they have to. If you're giving up the face of your franchise and the other team really isn't giving you more than "fillers" in their eyes, you've got to ask for the best young piece available.

If you're about winning now, Nash would be a move of that ilk.

I can't see us giving up Boobs for a 37 year old Nash, aside from that they have Brooks already in place to carry Nash's reign. Plus with us taking on say a Childress, it should just be a contract-contract move, maybe some cash going to PHX, since that's how Sarver runs the show over there.

mac222b · 03-23-2011, 09:27 PM

Would LOVE to see Nash back here. I think that his "hint" not too long ago that he'd be interested in a return to Dallas bodes well. He's too classy to force his way out, but i could see him giving the Suns a friendly nudge in that direction. If that's what he really wants than taking back Childress and giving them some picks and young bodies might actually be enough. Wouldn't add Roddy unless other assets are coming back this way.

mac222b · 03-23-2011, 09:32 PM

Also Grant Hill is an unrestricted free-agent. As well as an Uncle Tom.

deamon · 03-24-2011, 06:13 AM

Maybe John Stockton, no wait, let's fight for Oscar Robertson.

mac222b · 03-24-2011, 06:50 AM

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Maybe John Stockton, no wait, let's fight for Oscar Robertson.

how pithy.

JeffViggiano · 03-24-2011, 06:59 AM

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Maybe John Stockton, no wait, let's fight for Oscar Robertson.

fisher?

JeffViggiano · 03-24-2011, 09:17 AM

roddy for nash is perfect for destroy our future.no way.

nowhereman · 03-24-2011, 10:38 AM

you keep on posting is perfect for destroy our message board.

Underdog · 03-24-2011, 10:58 AM

I wouldn't be against acquiring Nash, especially if we avoid a lockout so Kidd can squeeze in another season. I'd even consider giving up Roddy, since there's no guarantee he'll ever put us over the top before Dirk's prime fades...

Something along the lines of Butler/Roddy for Nash/Hill? That seems like overpaying on our end, but it might work:

Guards: Nash/Kidd/Terry/(Stevenson?)/DoJo
Forwards: Dirk/Marion/Hill/(Peja?)/Brewer
Centers: Chandler/(Haywood?)/Mahinmi

Still lots of pieces to work more trades, especially Haywood (if only there was some way to swing Nash/Hill/Gortat). This would definitely be a win-now move with little regard to this franchise's future, but it could pay off.

Interesting offseason scenario anyway...

deamon · 03-24-2011, 01:30 PM

90's Hill > ASG Butler
at now: Butler > Hill

BGMaverick9 · 03-24-2011, 01:50 PM

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90's Hill > ASG Butler
at now: Butler > Hill

right NOW, you sure? Even when Caron comes back...you sure?