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Dallas41 · 11-10-2022, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

Powell showing some fire getting a T

Dude is straight trash

Him and THJ are the two guys I'd love for this team to finally get rid of, but I know Cuban is way too loyal to both of their ass

BPo001 · 11-10-2022, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

Dude is straight trash

Him and THJ are the two guys I'd love for this team to finally get rid of, but I know Cuban is way too loyal to both of their ass

Sadly Powell is playing better than our big FA signing.

twistaeffect2004 · 11-10-2022, 09:13 PM

Mavs losing to, essentially a G League level team.

Mavs just aren?t very talented. There is no team in the league that relies more on one player than Dallas with Luka. If he plays poorly, the team will lose.

BPo001 · 11-10-2022, 09:14 PM

What was Powell bitching about there? Didn?t see any foul on the shot? Guy barely put his hand on him as he laid it in.

BPo001 · 11-10-2022, 09:23 PM

Loooooooooosers

EricaLubarsky · 11-10-2022, 09:31 PM

Our offense is so busted. Half wonder if Kidd even knows how to draw one up. Half want Nash to be our offense guy

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-10-2022, 09:47 PM

But I mean, the crux is something that we all get tired of mentioning for months now. Luka can't carry the team every night. Kidd is literally running him into the ground.

It's just phenomenal how bad the FO screwed up at putting a good team around Luka.

BPo001 · 11-10-2022, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

But I mean, the crux is something that we all get tired of mentioning for months now. Luka can't carry the team every night. Kidd is literally running him into the ground.

It's just phenomenal how bad the FO screwed up at putting a good team around Luka.

New front office. Same results as the last one. Fail to put talent around your generational superstar.

Melonhead · 11-10-2022, 10:13 PM

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New front office. Same results as the last one. Fail to put talent around your generational superstar.

Guy at the top is still the same. In 20 years hes rarely put talent around our two superstars.

Kinda sad that Wood started the season so hot then Kidd was like nah. Now he?s hurt.

Feels like a .500 season. Not sure where that lands the Mavs, western conference isn?t that crazy.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-10-2022, 10:31 PM

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Guy at the top is still the same. In 20 years hes rarely put talent around our two superstars.

Kinda sad that Wood started the season so hot then Kidd was like nah. Now he?s hurt.

Feels like a .500 season. Not sure where that lands the Mavs, western conference isn?t that crazy.

The weirdest thing is Rick playing all the young guys in Indiana. That has to mean Cuban had more say with the team than he let on. Like seriously, even fricken Andrew Nembhard a second round pick got a start for Indiana.

Menawhile, Hardy doesn't even get a shot to play here. Even when we are starved for offensive talent.

JustJay · 11-10-2022, 10:16 PM

I said before the season enjoy the WCF appearance, but don't expect the same results or Finals. Luka is fantastic but would be instantly put in the GOAT conversation if he lead THIS team to a championship. We're not close. Nobody can do it alone and it's Luka or bust.

Dnowit41 · 11-10-2022, 10:41 PM

That was terrible

SMC0007 · 11-11-2022, 08:18 AM

This team is bankrupt of 2 way players. You want defense, well we have guys that are supposed to be able to play it. You want offense, well we have 2 guys who can dribble the basketball. Wood can't even get the minutes he deserves.

If we make it past TDL with no moves, this FO is incompetent. Luka knows we are capped. I bet thats why he gives up. Aside from Dinwiddie and wood no one can do anything.

Kidd and Co. Haven't adjusted our offense but it's hard to do with Dfs and Bullock in the main lineup.

Idc that Green didn't standout, he has an excuse, Bullock, Thj and Dfs have been around far too long to have excuses.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-11-2022, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

This team is bankrupt of 2 way players. You want defense, well we have guys that are supposed to be able to play it. You want offense, well we have 2 guys who can dribble the basketball. Wood can't even get the minutes he deserves.

If we make it past TDL with no moves, this FO is incompetent. Luka knows we are capped. I bet thats why he gives up. Aside from Dinwiddie and wood no one can do anything.

Kidd and Co. Haven't adjusted our offense but it's hard to do with Dfs and Bullock in the main lineup.

Idc that Green didn't standout, he has an excuse, Bullock, Thj and Dfs have been around far too long to have excuses.

If Wood doesn't start when he gets healthy, then I think I might be done watching this year. The incompetence is too much.

And the Green stuff still perplexes me. What excuse does he have not to play hot potato with the ball? He is a kid that is still playing in the toy box with the adults. I love his energy, but I don't get an ounce of BBIQ when it's really needed. Hitting a wide open three is wonderful...now try shooting the f'in ball when a defender is on you. He simply won't. It's maddening.

SMC0007 · 11-11-2022, 11:18 AM

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If Wood doesn't start when he gets healthy, then I think I might be done watching this year. The incompetence is too much.

And the Green stuff still perplexes me. What excuse does he have not to play hot potato with the ball? He is a kid that is still playing in the toy box with the adults. I love his energy, but I don't get an ounce of BBIQ when it's really needed. Hitting a wide open three is wonderful...now try shooting the f'in ball when a defender is on you. He simply won't. It's maddening.

Bro, Green was creating. THJ missed back to back wide open 3s when he penetrated and found him . He is the 3rd most capable creator/passer on the team. Guys just have to stand there wide open and hit their shots. He isn't in thr same realm of Dfs, Bullock and often THJ. where he catches the ball and panick passes without probing unless it's absolutely necessary. He's just now getting mins and he's 21, I can't imagine he wants to throw those away by chucking shots out of the offensive flow. IMO, he's as good as Dfs on defense ahead of Bull and way ahead of Thj.

The issue is those veterans have been around for a LONG time and haven't grown in ways we need. They haven't composed their ability to dribble and probe. Dfs at least tries sometimes, though it's very hit or miss. Bullock is allergic to it, it's great when he ends up wide open and he drains a cpl but I'm loving the slight shift in giving some of his mins to Green.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-11-2022, 11:43 AM

Ok fine, but we can't have 5 Josh Greens on the roster and only 1 star. We need scorers.

And another elephant that fans can't talk about is the fact that DFS hasn't been very good this year. He is getting lit up on defense and not making his threes. That's crushing without a Brunson to make up for the load. We need Wood back bad...

SMC0007 · 11-11-2022, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Ok fine, but we can't have 5 Josh Greens on the roster and only 1 star. We need scorers.

And another elephant that fans can't talk about is the fact that DFS hasn't been very good this year. He is getting lit up on defense and not making his threes. That's crushing without a Brunson to make up for the load. We need Wood back bad...

Yup. Dfs too... he and Bullock haven't been good enough on defense to be a complete void on offense.

Melonhead · 11-11-2022, 12:13 PM

2 nights in a row, 2 players post game shitting on the team sans Luka lol

KD then Kuzma

The whole league knows

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-11-2022, 12:18 PM

How about Bullock for Crowder? Who says no to that?

rimrocker · 11-11-2022, 01:30 PM

The problem is playing Bullock and DFS together way too much with a mixture of Green.

Remember the days of Brian Russell, Bruce Bowen, Thabo Sefolosha, Michael Cooper and others who were superstar defenders and great compliments to star players?
DFS and Bullock with Green are like having two of them playing at all times and none of them are even close to superstar status in terms of defense.
One of them at all times makes sense, and two of them for a spell or in unique situations, but 2 at all times is a problem.

Then you mix THJ and his inconsistency in with that bunch and you get these types of results.

I'm inclined to think DFS might be the one we start to look at moving because he probably has the best trade value. He's built some value even though he is having a bad year, but he would be a decent complimentary player to a team with a couple of star caliber offensive players.

rimrocker · 11-11-2022, 02:39 PM

Since we are on the Wiz topic....when do the annual trade for Beal discussions begin?

EricaLubarsky · 11-11-2022, 06:21 PM

Hot take: I don't think it's DFS and Bullock. It's team defense that is just totally broken.

When we start McGee, the defense just flounders because he's always out of position and that is the anchor of the entire defense. Teams get comfortable and play with confidence for the rest of the game.
When we start Powell, we also suck because he's just not a defense 5.

I can't name a single player who is good at defense right now. That's what a broken team defense looks like.

SMC0007 · 11-11-2022, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Hot take: I don't think it's DFS and Bullock. It's team defense that is just totally broken.

When we start McGee, the defense just flounders because he's always out of position and that is the anchor of the entire defense. Teams get comfortable and play with confidence for the rest of the game.
When we start Powell, we also suck because he's just not a defense 5.

I can't name a single player who is good at defense right now. That's what a broken team defense looks like.

Ok, but it is very much also Dfs and Bullock. They aren't scoring and they can't stay in front of quicks.

I completely agree that McGee is lost ans late to recover etc. He especially and DP starting for this group have failed. Problem is, we have no other options aside from Wood. However, we know that Kidd will next try Maxi instead of Wood.

The idea that we should be shoe-horning DP and McGee to start and set a tone is cool on paper, but its 100% not working. We need to trade for guys that work in this system, or just fn go energy and offense. We aren't stopping or even slowing down other teams.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-11-2022, 09:50 PM

I have 0 worry about the defense. We have a bunch of guys that are talented in that area. Maxi, Dodo, Bullock, Green, Frank...that's fine.

But see, when the offense isn't going, then it puts too much pressure on the D guys to perform. All of the D in the world can't currently make up an off Luka game. At least not with Wood out. He is thankfully back next game.

Still feel this is more of a not utilizing the roster you have. Start your most talented guys...Luka/Spence/Green/DFS/Wood. There is really no evidence that Wood is worse than McGee or Powell on defense. And if you lose with that lineup, then you can look to making a trade.

That lineup also maximizes Green who is really good at passing out of the lane. And he'll be passing to our best offensive players.

Zeus · 11-11-2022, 10:39 PM

3rd year players:
Bey - 17 ppg
Maxey - 23 ppg
Bane - 26 ppg
Green - 6 ppg

Josh is the 73rd youngest player in the NBA currently for reference meaning you could field almost 5 full NBA teams with players born after JG. The narrative that he is just too damn young to be good is BS. There are dozens of players younger than him that are already much better from the last 2 drafts. But he hustles a lot and we collectively marvel like he just invented fire.