Mavs off-season and draft 2023 thread

[tap2390]

I?m a huge fan of OT?s rebounding and energy, but he is unplayable in the NBA until he learns how to defend ball screens.

Personally think TJD translates a lot better to the NBA.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I love him and I think he beats the hell out of spending Hardy/Josh and picks to get Bam.

He could go anywhere from 15-45 from what I have seen.

It's hard to say how we'd get him, but at 15, we'd probably want to trade down. At 45, there's a chance to buy a SRP like we did with Hardy.

On Oscar, I was quite perplexed he did not enter the draft last year. There are some decisions that can be just plain dumb and that is one of them. Now he regressed, albeit slightly, but he should not get 1st round consideration IMO. That's where the opportunity comes into play for the Mavs to acquire a second rounder and grab him. If not him, some other prospect will do. Just add talent.

That being said, not so sure Oscar will be leaving. I think they're all at a stalemate, with Kentucky maybe wanting him to leave so they can nab Hunter Dickinson as a transfer from Michigan.

As an Arkansas fan, I'd love for Dickinson to get tired of waiting and head to Kansas or somewhere else and then have that followed up with Oscar announcing plans for the draft.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

We need to get Oscar Tshiebwe in the second round. The guy would literally fix our rebounding by himself. Don't really care much about the rest of his flaws when it's gonna be a mid to late second. When you're elite at something, you draft that. And that guy is one of the best rebounders ever to hold a basketball.

I?d love to find a way to draft him. I full expect our pick this year to be traded for some oft injured veteran player.

[Dallas41]

Watching Denver tonight makes me hate the way kidd uses Luka and kyrie

Luka needs to be utilized more like jokic. These two dudes have very similar skillets offensively. Put Luka's ass in the post more and let him facilitate that way just like jokic.

Use kyrie like Murray as the primary ball handler but with the ability to play off ball when Luka has it in the post or mid post areas.

Can't understand why they are so hell bent on playing 5 out totally ignoring Luka's ability to dominate inside by taking advantage of his size and shooting touch around the basket

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Watching Denver tonight makes me hate the way kidd uses Luka and kyrie

Luka needs to be utilized more like jokic. These two dudes have very similar skillets offensively. Put Luka's ass in the post more and let him facilitate that way just like jokic.

Use kyrie like Murray as the primary ball handler but with the ability to play off ball when Luka has it in the post or mid post areas.

Can't understand why they are so hell bent on playing 5 out totally ignoring Luka's ability to dominate inside by taking advantage of his size and shooting touch around the basket

Even more depressing was watching Memphis without Ja, without Brandon Clarke, without Steven Adams, have a 3rd string center Xavier Tillman break out for 22/13 against AD.

This org has no ability to build talent or depth.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Even more depressing was watching Memphis without Ja, without Brandon Clarke, without Steven Adams, have a 3rd string center Xavier Tillman break out for 22/13 against AD.

This org has no ability to build talent or depth.

I actually found myself questioning if the Grizz were better without Ja...

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Even more depressing was watching Memphis without Ja, without Brandon Clarke, without Steven Adams, have a 3rd string center Xavier Tillman break out for 22/13 against AD.

This org has no ability to build talent or depth.

Which is why you can't just piss the 10th pick away. People want to trade like 2 players and the pick for a better player, but then that kills your depth.

Our problem isn't that we just need a defensive center or a defensive wing. Our problem is the talent outside of Luka/Kyrie is putrid. Too many teams have quality top to bottom.

So that means bye bye Powell, Kleber, and Bullock.

Our third best player (Wood) is going to walk in FA. It's just insane to think about how terrible our FO is at talent management.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Which is why you can't just piss the 10th pick away. People want to trade like 2 players and the pick for a better player, but then that kills your depth.

Our problem isn't that we just need a defensive center or a defensive wing. Our problem is the talent outside of Luka/Kyrie is putrid. Too many teams have quality top to bottom.

So that means bye bye Powell, Kleber, and Bullock.

Our third best player (Wood) is going to walk in FA. It's just insane to think about how terrible our FO is at talent management.

Well there's a big difference in trading the pick and pissing it away. No one has interest in just getting rid of it. It has to be a good move and we HAVE to add sure fire talent around Luka, whatever that looks like. It doesn't look like risking a rookie is the way, given our circumstance. I'm not against drafting at 10, I just find that route cloudy.

If depth is a major concern to start the season, then people might want to start accepting the idea of SnT Kyrie for a few quality pieces.

If only Kidd didn't start the season off slamming his dick in the door. We could have been giving Hardy big minutes and exploring Wood and McGee lineups etc. We would know a lot more about the reliability of our current depth.

[tap2390]

I don't why, but if we keep our pick, I have a gut feeling Cason Wallace is the guy. He'd also provide some Kyrie leaving insurance.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Watching Denver tonight makes me hate the way kidd uses Luka and kyrie

Luka needs to be utilized more like jokic. These two dudes have very similar skillets offensively. Put Luka's ass in the post more and let him facilitate that way just like jokic.

Use kyrie like Murray as the primary ball handler but with the ability to play off ball when Luka has it in the post or mid post areas.

Can't understand why they are so hell bent on playing 5 out totally ignoring Luka's ability to dominate inside by taking advantage of his size and shooting touch around the basket

Huh, must spread rep...

[Zeus]

Haralabob Vulgaris was on Bill Simmons pod last night and about the 1 hour 55 minute mark the talk for about 10 minutes on the Mavs. Haralabob and Simmons both talked about all the moves the Mavs could have made at the trade deadline that would have been more complimentary to Luka and better team building rather than what they both perceived was an ALL or Nothing panic move by the Mavs org in going all in for Kyrie who will either walk or become a basket case within 12 months.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Haralabob Vulgaris was on Bill Simmons pod last night and about the 1 hour 55 minute mark the talk for about 10 minutes on the Mavs. Haralabob and Simmons both talked about all the moves the Mavs could have made at the trade deadline that would have been more complimentary to Luka and better team building rather than what they both perceived was an ALL or Nothing panic move by the Mavs org in going all in for Kyrie who will either walk or become a basket case within 12 months.

So basically the obvious guys who we all wanted that could have helped us. Yet our FO is good with DP leading our big man rotation.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Haralabob Vulgaris was on Bill Simmons pod last night and about the 1 hour 55 minute mark the talk for about 10 minutes on the Mavs. Haralabob and Simmons both talked about all the moves the Mavs could have made at the trade deadline that would have been more complimentary to Luka and better team building rather than what they both perceived was an ALL or Nothing panic move by the Mavs org in going all in for Kyrie who will either walk or become a basket case within 12 months.

It absolutely was a panic move, but it wasn't necessarily the wrong one depending on if they can actually get talent on this team.

Certainly don't miss Dinwiddie or DFS, so it's not like we gave up a lot.

I still do that trade 10 times out of 10.

[tap2390]

I?m fine with the trade. Alternative was a Lakers-style move for D?Angelo/ Vanderbilt and they?re struggling with AD and Bron despite being hand fed by the refs.

[SMC0007]

Nick Nurse is now available. However, Cuban is a jackass and we will continue with Kidd.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Watching the Lakers I'm thinking about their trade package. Difference is they already had two superstars. So if we made the Russell/Vanderbilt/Beasley move, then we're still at the same quandary of Luka and the B squad.

Key is to re-up Kyrie, then at the deadline or hopefully sooner you make a deal like that.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Watching the Lakers I'm thinking about their trade package. Difference is they already had two superstars. So if we made the Russell/Vanderbilt/Beasley move, then we're still at the same quandary of Luka and the B squad.

Key is to re-up Kyrie, then at the deadline or hopefully sooner you make a deal like that.

The problem is after the kyrie trade the mavs failed to add another piece to this team mainly defensively

For example the Knicks added someone like Josh Hart for cheap or the Hawks adding S.Bey

The mavs simply decided to relax after picking up kyrie.

There were quite a few guys who moved at the deadline for bargain shopping trade assets in return

These entire playoffs is so frustrating to watch now because it's like I said the mavs could have shocked someone in these 1st rounds simply because they had Luka and kyrie but they refused to sit mf's like Powell who don't help you

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

The problem is after the kyrie trade the mavs failed to add another piece to this team mainly defensively

For example the Knicks added someone like Josh Hart for cheap or the Hawks adding S.Bey

The mavs simply decided to relax after picking up kyrie.

There were quite a few guys who moved at the deadline for bargain shopping trade assets in return

These entire playoffs is so frustrating to watch now because it's like I said the mavs could have shocked someone in these 1st rounds simply because they had Luka and kyrie but they refused to sit mf's like Powell who don't help you

Very well put regarding MF'ers like Powell

[saclare]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

The problem is after the kyrie trade the mavs failed to add another piece to this team mainly defensively

For example the Knicks added someone like Josh Hart for cheap or the Hawks adding S.Bey

The mavs simply decided to relax after picking up kyrie.

There were quite a few guys who moved at the deadline for bargain shopping trade assets in return

These entire playoffs is so frustrating to watch now because it's like I said the mavs could have shocked someone in these 1st rounds simply because they had Luka and kyrie but they refused to sit mf's like Powell who don't help you

A little misleading considering Portland got a 1st rounder along with two younger players that aren't just throw ins.

The Saadiq Bey trade would have required additional 2nds and I only see we have the 2025 available to trade. Mavs need to find ways to replenish the cupboard there.

Edit: actually, it looks like Atlanta used up five (5!) 2nd rounders in that trade.

https://www.nba.com/hawks/news/the-h...trade-deadline

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

These entire playoffs is so frustrating to watch now because it's like I said the mavs could have shocked someone in these 1st rounds simply because they had Luka and kyrie but they refused to sit mf's like Powell who don't help you

Well when you look at Paul Reed or Robert Williams III in the playoffs, then you can see even the slightest upgrade at center would be huge. That's why trying to get someone like Tshiebwe in the draft is necessary.

Hell, I'd even consider Lively. He is a Tyson Chandler started kit but with a 7'7 wingspan. Needs a few years to develop though. But 7'1 shot blockers don't grow on trees.

[sig]

Nothing against Wallace but if Mavs were to go for a guard at 10 which I expct they use for a PF/C, I'd take Hood-Schifino.

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/prospec...satsi_19402903

Nick Nurse- hate to say it but he seems like the perfect replacement for Pop in a join the staff and have a 1 year handoff transition. f he wants immediate job, Houston has to be getting atttractive.

[rimrocker]

In terms of need, Lively checks all of the boxes of what we desperately need.
If Hendricks is there when we pick, he would be a no brainer, but I doubt he falls to us.

I wouldn't be upset if we traded back with someone like the Nets for 21/22/51 for the #10 pick. Then take Lively with one of those picks and maybe Murray or Miller with the other.
Then grab one of the bigs (Edey, Vukcevic, Nnaji, Watson, Tubelis, or Timme) with the 51.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by sig

Nothing against Wallace but if Mavs were to go for a guard at 10 which I expct they use for a PF/C, I'd take Hood-Schifino.

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/prospec...satsi_19402903

Nick Nurse- hate to say it but he seems like the perfect replacement for Pop in a join the staff and have a 1 year handoff transition. f he wants immediate job, Houston has to be getting atttractive.

Houston just signed Udoka

[Dallas41]

Miami is just another example as to why everyone starts over 0-0 in the playoffs

Don't matter what your regular season record is anymore

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Miami is just another example as to why everyone starts over 0-0 in the playoffs

Don't matter what your regular season record is anymore

I mean Milwaukee did lose the best player in the world in game 1?

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by BPo001

I mean Milwaukee did lose the best player in the world in game 1?

Right which is another example

Because you don't know what might happen

Key injuries could alter any series in the playoffs

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Right which is another example

Because you don't know what might happen

Key injuries could alter any series in the playoffs

You act as if we all wanted our team to suck. Gimme a break with this stuff.

Why don't you email Kidd and ask him how he lost to Charlotte back to back.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Miami is just another example as to why everyone starts over 0-0 in the playoffs

Don't matter what your regular season record is anymore

you mean 7 seed 44-38 Miami Heat with a top 10 defense?

LMAOOOOOOOO

[tap2390]

Our ability to make a sustained playoff run is hampered by our lack of defense and rebounding, and over reliance on 3s.

Luka and Kyrie probably would have won us some games, but given our dearth of talent we're way better off with the 80% chance of retaining a draft pick than playing in the playoffs.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Our ability to make a sustained playoff run is hampered by our lack of defense and rebounding, and over reliance on 3s.

Luka and Kyrie probably would have won us some games, but given our dearth of talent we're way better off with the 80% chance of retaining a draft pick than playing in the playoffs.

I actually think the mavs would have beat the Grizzlies or kings

Denver would have been tough but I think they take the nuggets to 6 or 7 games

[SMC0007]

The only pick we take at 10 will be for another team.

[Zeus]

Wow Desmond F'n Bane. Nights like tonight you realize what a huge miss it was taking Green over Bane. Green will never match him as Bane is improving faster than Green.

[Dallas41]

Found this on bleacher report

I'd definitely pull the trigger if Toronto accepted this deal

Dallas Mavericks Receive: O.G. Anunoby

Toronto Raptors Receive: Josh Green, Tim Hardaway Jr., No. 10 pick*, 2026 first-round pick (unprotected; becomes 2027 first-rounder if Dallas' 2024 obligation to New York doesn't convey)

(*If Dallas drops outside the top 10 of the lottery, its pick goes to New York, in which case this offer would feature firsts going to Toronto in 2024 and 2026 instead.)

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Found this on bleacher report

I'd definitely pull the trigger if Toronto accepted this deal

Dallas Mavericks Receive: O.G. Anunoby

Toronto Raptors Receive: Josh Green, Tim Hardaway Jr., No. 10 pick*, 2026 first-round pick (unprotected; becomes 2027 first-rounder if Dallas' 2024 obligation to New York doesn't convey)

(*If Dallas drops outside the top 10 of the lottery, its pick goes to New York, in which case this offer would feature firsts going to Toronto in 2024 and 2026 instead.)

I?ll admit to not knowing much about OG, but I?d have a hard time giving up 2 firsts and Green for a non all star.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by BPo001

I?ll admit to not knowing much about OG, but I?d have a hard time giving up 2 firsts and Green for a non all star.

OG is sort of like Brunson

He's a young talent that is really good just needing the opportunity to take off

He's one of the better two way players in the NBA

I like Josh Green but OG is better closer to a All Star level talent.

With Kyrie and Luka surrounded by the right players I'm betting that future 1st round pick would be mid to late 20's

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

OG is sort of like Brunson

He's a young talent that is really good just needing the opportunity to take off

He's one of the better two way players in the NBA

I like Josh Green but OG is better closer to a All Star level talent.

With Kyrie and Luka surrounded by the right players I'm betting that future 1st round pick would be mid to late 20's

Sure the second first round pick might be in the 20?s, but what about the #10 this year that you also proposed? I just think that?s a steep price to pay for a guy who isn?t a proven all star. Green is 1 of our 2 assets (Hardy being the other) that might have any sort of trade value. With Toronto potentially blowing it up I?d offer up that package for Siakam.

[tap2390]

Personally don?t believe OG will ever reach another level or be more than a solid two-way wing. I wouldn?t give up much more than Green for him, and I also believe Green can easily reach his level.

[EricaLubarsky]

This draft is full of OGs and I'm convinced that if we'd developed Green right instead of wasting his life with Rick and then jerking him around with Kidd, Green would be OG-level.

[saclare]

Hell no to giving up two 1st rounders + Green for OG Anunoby. Especially if that includes a potential top 10 pick this year. IF the Mavs end up falling out of top 10 for this draft, I could get behind the other two in that scenario, but I'd be hard pressed to still include Green. Whatever your perception is of him, he does hold value in trades.

[EricaLubarsky]

Also we have two options:

1) We re-sign Kyrie. We'd be sitting at 131mill with a salary cap around that same number. Only guys on the roster: Kyrie, Luka, THJ, Bertans, Bullock, Kleber, McGee, Green, Hardy.

2) Kyrie walks. We have room for a max contract, but only 8 guys on the roster: Luka, THJ, Bertans, Bullock, Kleber, McGee, Green, Hardy.

Either way I'd take a rookie deal over spending picks and 18mill on a guy that could walk next summer (player option)