Race card sighting, race card sighting.

[dude1394]

A little early for the oh woe is me I'm a victim race card isn't it? All of those stupid white folks who are giving him internet money. I just can't stand race-mongers.

Here's "the Uniter" said today:

"We know what kind of campaign they are going to run. They're going to try to make you afraid. They're going to try to make you afraid of me. He's young. He's inexperienced and he's got a funny name. And, did I mention he's black."

It is no surprise that the liberals at CNN could not quite get condemn him for this. Sick.

Man...5 more months of hearing this stroker whine about how anyone who doesn't vote for him's a racist.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by dude1394

A little early for the oh woe is me I'm a victim race card isn't it? All of those stupid white folks who are giving him internet money. I just can't stand race-mongers.



Man...5 more months of hearing this stroker whine about how anyone who doesn't vote for him's a racist.

Please. The media got a big collective hard-on when his black preacher went and said a lot of black-preacher stuff. If you think it's not an issue, you're crazy.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Please. The media got a big collective hard-on when his black preacher went and said a lot of black-preacher stuff. If you think it's not an issue, you're crazy.

Well when McCain whines that no african-americans will vote for him because he's white, I'll listen to ya'. Or when he whines that folks won't vote for him because he's an old dude then fine.

Until then Hussein should stfu.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Well when McCain whines that no african-americans will vote for him because he's white, I'll listen to ya'. Or when he whines that folks won't vote for him because he's an old dude then fine.

Until then Hussein should stfu.

McCain doesn't need to whine about black voters. This isn't a new issue. Blacks have voted about 5/6 for Democrats for a long time. Obama has that number slightly higher, but rest assured, he's no Alan Keyes. Blacks are voting for Obama in larger than usual numbers because he's black, yes, but only just so. They'd have been voting for him because he is a Democrat for the most part anyway. Blacks don't vote Republican.

But do Republicans vote against a guy because he's black? (That's what Obama is suggesting they are trying, right?) You bet your ass they do.

What fascinates me is how you would like to pretend that a very real issue influencing this campaign does not exist. It most certainly exists, and only the ostrich with his head in his sand would claim that it doesn't. Why do you criticize Obama for recognizing it?

[dude1394]

Chum...the only thing hussein is doing here is trying to blunt all cricism of him, it's typical race-baiting practices. By sticking the race-card out there, he and all of his supporters can try to scream racism whenever anyone yacks at him. Same thing hillary did.

You don't like me, it's because I'm black. You don't like my policies...it's because I'm a black man. It's not because I'm devoid of anything but ultra socialist policies, it's because I'm black.

And sure it's going to exist... Just like him being a yankee liberal will cause others to not vote for him, or folks who think he's a muslim. Just like him being black will get even more of the black vote and blacks won't vote for whitey. He's barely won the nomination and he's tossing out the race card.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Chum...the only thing hussein is doing here is trying to blunt all cricism of him, it's typical race-baiting practices. By sticking the race-card out there, he and all of his supporters can try to scream racism whenever anyone yacks at him. Same thing hillary did.

You don't like me, it's because I'm black. You don't like my policies...it's because I'm a black man. It's not because I'm devoid of anything but ultra socialist policies, it's because I'm black.

And sure it's going to exist... Just like him being a yankee liberal will cause others to not vote for him, or folks who think he's a muslim. Just like him being black will get even more of the black vote and blacks won't vote for whitey. He's barely won the nomination and he's tossing out the race card.

If he can blunt all criticism of him by dint of his being black, then I dare say that he is in the very best position to win this political battle. Politics is all about managing perceptions.

If you could look at this thing bluntly, like a Karl Rove would, you would recognize these things. The "race card" is not in essence AT ALL different from the "national security card" or the "Christian values card" or the "abortion card." They are all just cards in the deck, among the very many.

Trust me, Rove played a lot of good cards when he won his two presidential elections. And...why shouldn't he have?

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

If he can blunt all criticism of him by dint of his being black, then I dare say that he is in the very best position to win this political battle. Politics is all about managing perceptions.

If you could look at this thing bluntly, like a Karl Rove would, you would recognize these things. The "race card" is not in essence AT ALL different from the "national security card" or the "Christian values card" or the "abortion card." They are all just cards in the deck, among the very many.

Trust me, Rove played a lot of good cards when he won his two presidential elections. And...why shouldn't he have?

Sure if he can use the race card to blunt valid criticism of him then it will be good for him. As far as comparing screaming racism against someone (fireable offense I believe in many places) to the "national security card" or the "christian values card" is kinda silly imo.

I dont recall many entertainers being fired because of the christian values card.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Sure if he can use the race card to blunt valid criticism of him

WOW! He said that some voters won't go for him because he's black. You say that's a valid criticism? WOW!!

[Underdog]

I'm not an Obama supporter by any means, but I've noticed his opposition tends to be fairly concerned with "race"...

[Janett_Reno]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Chum...the only thing hussein is doing here is trying to blunt all cricism of him, it's typical race-baiting practices. By sticking the race-card out there, he and all of his supporters can try to scream racism whenever anyone yacks at him. Same thing hillary did.

You don't like me, it's because I'm black. You don't like my policies...it's because I'm a black man. It's not because I'm devoid of anything but ultra socialist policies, it's because I'm black.

And sure it's going to exist... Just like him being a yankee liberal will cause others to not vote for him, or folks who think he's a muslim. Just like him being black will get even more of the black vote and blacks won't vote for whitey. He's barely won the nomination and he's tossing out the race card.

Do you have a problem of Obama's name? Do you have a problem because he is black? He is half white/half black, got a problem with it? It sounds like to me you are whinning because you or your neocon friends can't attack him. You are the one that said Obama is alot easier to beat and i fear Hillary. Come on and give us a better shot. We see where your fear is as i marked them in red and you are the one saying it. Maybe you fear the 15 point lead Obama has opened up, so keep attacking and bring on those one liners. Give me some Faith and Values.

[Underdog]

Race car sighting?

[rabbitproof]

Let me preface this by saying that I am more of a not McCain supporter than a Obama supporter. Paul was my guy.

But cmon, you're making fun of his obviously ethnic middle name and news outlets are associating his fist jab with terrorists... we're not color-blind and Obama is just confirming the realities of the situation.

Anyways, being that it is campaign season, as my friend says...

Obama will try not to appear too young and black, Michelle too angry.

McCain will try not to appear too old and white, Cindy too skanky.

Welcome to politics.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Janett_Reno

Do you have a problem of Obama's name? Do you have a problem because he is black? He is half white/half black, got a problem with it? It sounds like to me you are whinning because you or your neocon friends can't attack him. You are the one that said Obama is alot easier to beat and i fear Hillary. Come on and give us a better shot. We see where your fear is as i marked them in red and you are the one saying it. Maybe you fear the 15 point lead Obama has opened up, so keep attacking and bring on those one liners. Give me some Faith and Values.

I don't in particular have a problem with his name. But it's kinda cute that the US is going to elect a guys whose name is Hussein. Sorta ironic really.

I don't have any problem that he's black, only that he's already using the race card as a premeptive shield against any criticism of him. It certainly won't be the last time he pulls it out for no reason.

I have much more of a problem with him being the most liberal person thrown out of prez since McGovern(possibly moreso). I see Jimmah Carter written all over him, stupid populism pandering and even more inane foreign policy.

[Janett_Reno]

Originally Posted by dude1394

I don't in particular have a problem with his name. But it's kinda cute that the US is going to elect a guys whose name is Hussein. Sorta ironic really.

I don't have any problem that he's black, only that he's already using the race card as a premeptive shield against any criticism of him. It certainly won't be the last time he pulls it out for no reason.

I have much more of a problem with him being the most liberal person thrown out of prez since McGovern(possibly moreso). I see Jimmah Carter written all over him, stupid populism pandering and even more inane foreign policy.

You knew all this dude when you voted for Hillary. I have already told you that thanks to your hereos, W Bush, Cheney and Rumsfield that a Democrat was going to be your next president. Now you can call them anykind of names you desire, Edwards, Obama and Hillary but the facts was, one was your next president. You voted for Obama because you probably felt you and the gop could attack him easier and you totally fear Hillary and Bill. So you voted for the next president in Obama. He is more libreal than the people you listed and you knew this when you voted for him. Hillary is the most conservative out of the bunch.

Insane foreign policy? You think the f policy we have now is good? Give me some of what you are smoking. Shoot and ask questions later, threat after threat is good f policy. As far as being liberal, Obama says he is going to reach out. Will he? Not sure. I figure Hagel, a republican will be in his administration, maybe Greenspan. No dude, you are the gop won't be able to show off black moneky dolls at the convention because that has racial undertones. Even a Republcain can see that. The way you are Rove tries to win an election is attack with sleeze. Come on and swiftboat him in other ways,

[dude1394]

Sure I knew all that when I voted for clinton, because I believe that the choosen one will be easier to beat. I still do. His liberalism will be a killer.

The only think obama-san knows to do is what dems always do, run. McCain is much more on the right (as in correct) side of this conflict.

As I've stated many times before (and you've attempted to read them but you have a tough time with that) I have no problem with where we are right now.

It's beyond liberals to take long term stances on things, UNLESS it's a long-term stance on having more power to the guvment, that one they'll think long-term about and never, ever give up.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Janett_Reno

As far as being liberal, Obama says he is going to reach out. Will he? Not sure. I figure Hagel, a republican will be in his administration, maybe Greenspan. No dude, you are the gop won't be able to show off black moneky dolls at the convention because that has racial undertones. Even a Republcain can see that. The way you are Rove tries to win an election is attack with sleeze. Come on and swiftboat him in other ways,

Eeek...can't attack his liberal positions or I'm a racist. Yup...just like I started this thing with.

[dude1394]

The race card begins to be amplified by the left after obama throws it out there. No matter that McCain has actuually done the opposite.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...obama-remarks/

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/180471.php
[quote]EVER done any of this to obama, nor that the first time he heard of it from some dude

Hopefully, everyone can now see the McCain strategy for running against Barack Obama. Yes, we have some general points on taxes, culture wars and McCain as war hero who can protect us in ways that flash-in-the-pan pretty boy Barack Obama can't.

But that's not the core. The core is to drill a handful of key adjectives into the public mind about Barack Obama: Muslim, anti-American, BLACK, terrorist, Arab. Maybe a little hustler and shifty thrown in, but we'll have to see. The details and specific arguments are sort of beside the point. They're like the libretto in a Wagner opera, nice for some narrative structure. But it's the score that's the real essence of it, the point of the whole exercise.

[Janett_Reno]

[QUOTE=dude1394]The race card begins to be amplified by the left after obama throws it out there. No matter that McCain has actuually done the opposite.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...obama-remarks/

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/180471.php

EVER done any of this to obama, nor that the first time he heard of it from some dude

What's the big deal dude, that is what you do, so you are telling on yourself. The neocon game is over, you are not going to be able to attack him on race, religion, his name, and win. Attack him that he is liberal and a Democrat. Throw some neocon faith and values in. You are going to have to find a different strategy for McCain. How about fair and balanced, passionate conservatism, The Maverick, 72 and wise as a fox or flip flops like a box of rocks.

You know David Letterman dude, you know the one that cut your idol down, Bill O'Reilly? He said other day they asked them for debate rules and Oabma asked for a 1 minute rebuttle after his opponest spoke, McCain asked for a 5 minute nap. It is always Bob Barr to vote for dude. Get ready for your new Democratic president dude and enjoy it.

[dude1394]

Funny washington post article on this.

More than six in 10 African Americans now rate race relations as "not so good" or "poor," while 53 percent of whites hold more positive views. Opinions are also divided along racial lines, though less so, on whether blacks face discrimination. There is more similarity on feelings of personal racial prejudice: Thirty percent of whites and 34 percent of blacks admit such sentiments.

So McCain can say while he's at the NAACP trying to get votes that his opponents will say "by the way he's white"? And it'll have just as much effect?? Doubt it.



Always cracks me up when a race who votes 90% plus as a group would whine about racism or groupthink right out of the gate.

Didn't 90% plus african-americans vote for hillary? What a crock.

[Janett_Reno]

You are not gonna win on race dude and again Obama is half white and half white. You are gonna have to jump on a swift boat and think of other ways, race won't win for you.

[Janett_Reno]

half white and half black

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Janett_Reno

You are not gonna win on race dude and again Obama is half white and half white. You are gonna have to jump on a swift boat and think of other ways, race won't win for you.

Obama's the one that brought up the race card, no me. He's proclaiming his early victimhood status.

Ask the clintons what they thought of his misogynistic endeavors.

It's a race to victimhood...

I'm black, I'm a victim. (Oh wait a minute, I'm half-white and a gazillionaire??...)
I'm a woman, I'm a victim...(Oh wait a minute, I have more cajones than my husband and I'm a gazillionaire).

Poor McCain...what's he gonna counter with.
I'm white....er......I've served my country and paid a high price for it!! Hey that's it...as Kerry said...I was in the military...I"m the REAL victim here!!!

[Janett_Reno]

Dude, the race card is not even going to scare and win he south for McCain. Look at GA, VA, MS, possibly Ark and all republican states that McCain will have hard fought battles to win in. Even the Carolinas.

As you try with the race card, the swiftboating, and the old faith and values jet eye mind tricks just won't work anymore. People actually care now about the economy, the middle east, healthcare, borders, jobs.

As you whine about race, librael, his name, it only makes you look what Scott talks about. Show us some of your passionate conservatism and whip in some faith and values in it and put some taxes on top and ride it all around on a swiftboat. Bob Barr is your man dude. Get on board.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Poor McCain...what's he gonna counter with.
I'm white....er......I've served my country and paid a high price for it!! Hey that's it...as Kerry said...I was in the military...I"m the REAL victim here!!!

I understand the logic you used to lead up to this, and I have no argument with it. However, two things...

McCain's service was more than honorable, but he has long since reaped a VERY large reward for it. He has led a very good life, profitable in many ways, based in large part on his military service and his contibution to this country. He's certainly not "entitled" to anything more than he already has. In fact, he was never entitled even to that.

Second, does what McCain did forty years ago have any bearing at all on the question that is before us (who to choose as chief executive of our government)? I think not. You know, McCain can ride the coattails of compelling stories, too...

[Janett_Reno]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Obama's the one that brought up the race card, no me. He's proclaiming his early victimhood status.

Ask the clintons what they thought of his misogynistic endeavors.

It's a race to victimhood...

I'm black, I'm a victim. (Oh wait a minute, I'm half-white and a gazillionaire??...)
I'm a woman, I'm a victim...(Oh wait a minute, I have more cajones than my husband and I'm a gazillionaire).

Poor McCain...what's he gonna counter with.
I'm white....er......I've served my country and paid a high price for it!! Hey that's it...as Kerry said...I was in the military...I"m the REAL victim here!!!

That is the whole idea dude, what is McCain gonna counter with? With Gore, he abandoned Clinton and he was very smart with book sense but he came off as trying to be a professor as Bush let everyone know i am a dunce but wouldn't you like a dunce and not trying to cover it up than a man that tries to come off as a professor. They chose a dunce and we got dunce results. Look at the economy, gas/oil, borders, healthcare, education, no bid contracts and the stuff dunce has us in the middle east as they let Laden roam around.

Next was Kerry and they told him to play the dunce roll and let them attack and you do not defend and he looked like a stooge because of it.

Now comes along Obama, everytime the gop want's to attack, Obama has wind of it two weeks before and no matter what they are fixing to attack with, he brings it to the table a week before they bring it on, he addresses it, turns it back on McCain/Bush/Cheney and Rams. Then instead of him having to defend it is this adm and McCain having to defend as he is on the offensive fixing to pound again. You are not going to bully this guy and he will turn the tables on McCain and this adm. It worked against Hillary and it will work against McCain.

The country wants someone that will stand up and have substance, not a mouse and someone that stays in the same click making back door sweetheart deals.

You are right, what are we going to attack him on? Being young and you can push McCain was a veteran and he isn't but he is going to make you stay on course and keep you on the issues because he will shoot down the tiddly winks Rove policies. He will turn them around on McCain and make him look like a mouse.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

I understand the logic you used to lead up to this, and I have no argument with it. However, two things...

McCain's service was more than honorable, but he has long since reaped a VERY large reward for it. He has led a very good life, profitable in many ways, based in large part on his military service and his contibution to this country. He's certainly not "entitled" to anything more than he already has. In fact, he was never entitled even to that.

Second, does what McCain did forty years ago have any bearing at all on the question that is before us (who to choose as chief executive of our government)? I think not. You know, McCain can ride the coattails of compelling stories, too...

Are you saying that Obama should now reap a large reward because he's black?

I don't give two rat's butts what color obama is, but I do find it pretty damn disgusting that he whips out the race card. If he wants to be president, then act like one. And as expected the media is right behind him with it to help him along.

[rmacomic]

Originally Posted by Underdog

I'm not an Obama supporter by any means, but I've noticed his opposition tends to be fairly concerned with "race"...

Best point made on this thread.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Are you saying that Obama should now reap a large reward because he's black?

I don't give two rat's butts what color obama is, but I do find it pretty damn disgusting that he whips out the race card. If he wants to be president, then act like one. And as expected the media is right behind him with it to help him along.

dude......We are living in historic times. It's a testament to just how far we have come, that we can talk about this as "playing the race card" or not. It was only, what, fifty or less years ago that blacks couldn't even drink from the same water fountains as whites? You may not give a rat's ass what color he is, but history certainly does. For you to ignore that his race is an issue is...well, it's just ignorant, is what it is.

Obama's race is a very, very, VERY real issue in this campaign. Some won't vote for him because of it, some will vote for him because of it, some will give him the benefit of the doubt because of it and some won't. Either way, we are going to figure some things out as an electorate.

You might feel that some people are supporting him just because he is black rather than because of his views...and others may feel that people are opposing him for the same reasons. In the end it doesn't matter. Elections are a PR game, no matter who is involved. Bob Dole was far and away the better choice to run the country from 1997 to 2001, but Clinton had his own issued that played. It's a game, and you may as well get used to it. At this point in time, and with this particular candidate, being black is a helpful thing in the game. But don't hate it...it's all part of it...

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

dude......We are living in historic times. It's a testament to just how far we have come, that we can talk about this as "playing the race card" or not. It was only, what, fifty or less years ago that blacks couldn't even drink from the same water fountains as whites? You may not give a rat's ass what color he is, but history certainly does. For you to ignore that his race is an issue is...well, it's just ignorant, is what it is.

Obama's race is a very, very, VERY real issue in this campaign. Some won't vote for him because of it, some will vote for him because of it, some will give him the benefit of the doubt because of it and some won't. Either way, we are going to figure some things out as an electorate.

You might feel that some people are supporting him just because he is black rather than because of his views...and others may feel that people are opposing him for the same reasons. In the end it doesn't matter. Elections are a PR game, no matter who is involved. Bob Dole was far and away the better choice to run the country from 1997 to 2001, but Clinton had his own issued that played. It's a game, and you may as well get used to it. At this point in time, and with this particular candidate, being black is a helpful thing in the game. But don't hate it...it's all part of it...

I understand that it's part of the game. I understand that Obama is using it to blunt any criticism of him. I don't know whether it's politically smart to do it or not, we'll see. I expect it will ultimately turn off more that it blunts criticism, because politics as we all know ain't beanbags and it will get heated.

A better man would rise above that sh**, obviously he's not. Race hucksters have no place in our politics, none. He wants to win it, win it on merit, not whining that someone's not going to like him because he's black. Too f'ing bad dude.

[Usually Lurkin]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Some won't vote for him because of it, some will vote for him because of it, some will give him the benefit of the doubt because of it and some won't. Either way, we are going to figure some things out as an electorate.

to use race to make false accusations of racism and to use race to avoid talking about real issues is not historical. It's the same old stuff we've ever seen. It's just slimy politics.

Elections are a PR game, no matter who is involved.

yes. Obama is the same old crap. Nothing new as far as how he does politics. Really.

At this point in time, and with this particular candidate, being black is a helpful thing in the game. But don't hate it...it's all part of it...

accept it because it exists??? Nothing is worth trying to change because whatever it is is something that is? That's a brilliant philosophy.

[chumdawg]

That's a very fair response, dude, and I appreciate that. However, I don't think we are far enough removed from the 50's and 60's and before to expect that there aren't any people who will vote AGAINST him because he's black.

I suspect that there are plenty of these people. After all, if 90% of blacks vote for a black just because he's black, don't you imagine there is some percentage of whites who vote against a black just because he's not white? In other words, race is VERY much an issue in this campaign. If old white women preferred Hillary for whatever reason, then there are people who prefer or don't prefer Obama, for whatever reason.

If that's the reality, why would a "better man" rise above it? It's a game, politics. It is played on many, many battlefields. If Obama can find a way to use it to his advantage (I doubt he will be able to do so), then all the more power to him. It's not worth any less or any more than any other angle these candidates will pursue.

And finally, I wouldn't call him a "race huckster." That was Jessie Jackson, or Al Sharpton. But even so, your proclamation that race hucksters have no place in our politics, I find misguided. Our politics are about whatever we as an electorate deem significant at the time. If we happen to decide, as an electorate, that race is a big issue and we need to elect a black...then race has a very real role in our political process, and let the best huckster win.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

accept it because it exists??? Nothing is worth trying to change because whatever it is is something that is? That's a brilliant philosophy.

You wrote this in response to my suggestion that Obama may find some benefit in this election by dint of being black. You seem to suggest that we should not sit back and accept this.

You can fight it all you want, but yes, it is what it is. It's not a "brilliant philosophy," and it's not even a philosophy at all...it's just a way of approaching the game.

Things are, indeed, what they are. Blacks do exist, they do vote, and sometimes they even run for office. You can try to change that all you like, but it ain't gonna happen.

[Dirkadirkastan]

It's not whether race is an issue, it's whether Obama should bring it up himself and say "woe is me".

[chumdawg]

If woe is indeed him, why shouldn't he?

[Dirkadirkastan]

Such behavior doesn't strike you as unprofessional? Seeking pity is not a great way to run a campaign. The issue would undoubtedly have arisen anyway, and addressing the issue candidly in that situation would have been very appropriate. But crying "no fair guys!" out of the blue when nobody said anything yet comes across as desperate self-pitying.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

Such behavior doesn't strike you as unprofessional? Seeking pity is not a great way to run a campaign. The issue would undoubtedly have arisen anyway, and addressing the issue candidly in that situation would have been very appropriate. But crying "no fair guys!" out of the blue when nobody said anything yet comes across as desperate self-pitying.

Ah, I see what you're getting at. At least so far, Obama hasn't done anything even remotely close to "unprofessional" or "self-pitying." So, you should not be concerned.

Now, he has indeed laid the groundwork for a counterattack against those who feel he is black and thus shouldn't be president. He's ahead of the game and ready for that issue.

[Usually Lurkin]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

You wrote this in response to my suggestion that Obama may find some benefit in this election by dint of being black. You seem to suggest that we should not sit back and accept this.

I wrote it in response to your suggestion that dude just sit back and accept race based politics, rather than suggest that it might be better to get beyond that. And I don't think its good to sit back and accept any situation where skin color creates such an advantage.

[Janett_Reno]

Like i have said dude, he isn't going to be a punching bag. He will respond and he will be two steps ahead. You will see the mistake you made by votting for the one you wanted running. Simply because of the reasons "you thought" you could hammer him on and thought he would lose as where you felt Hillary would win. You have mentioned the words, his name, him being black, librael, and it was a few more i forgot you mentioned.

Just ask Hillary if he is going to be easy to hammer on and beat. Good luck dude. By the way Bob Barr might run dude, get on board and ride that swiftboat.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Janett_Reno

Like i have said dude, he isn't going to be a punching bag. He will respond and he will be two steps ahead. You will see the mistake you made by votting for the one you wanted running. Simply because of the reasons "you thought" you could hammer him on and thought he would lose as where you felt Hillary would win. You have mentioned the words, his name, him being black, librael, and it was a few more i forgot you mentioned.

Just ask Hillary if he is going to be easy to hammer on and beat. Good luck dude. By the way Bob Barr might run dude, get on board and ride that swiftboat.

I expect your political crystal ball to be about as right on this as everything else you've prognosticated. Once your lady was beaten then you very quickly got the Obama("oh did I mention I am black") religion just as badly.

[Usually Lurkin]

Originally Posted by Janett_Reno

Like i have said dude, he isn't going to be a punching bag. He will respond and he will be two steps ahead. .

calling somebody racist before they've done anything racist isn't the kind of "two-steps ahead" that anyone should be proud of.