Other peoples money

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by jefelump

Here's another...

http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/usn/www_usn_2.nsf

hover your mouse of "Programs That Help"

Yeah. Programs that help other fundie Christians--or those we hope we can convert. That's not charity, bro. That's an investment.

[jefelump]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Yeah. Programs that help other fundie Christians--or those we hope we can convert. That's not charity, bro. That's an investment.

Since you chose to make those comments in response to the Salvation Army link, are you trying to say those bell ringers at Wal Mart are there only in hopes of converting us all to their religion, so we can go ring bells too?

Sure, most churches hope to convert others, but that should not be presumed to be their only motivation when it comes to charity. If you're going to second guess the Salvation Army, who's slogan is Doing The Most Good, then what are you going to say the United Way's under-handed motive is?

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by jefelump

Since you chose to make those comments in response to the Salvation Army link, are you trying to say those bell ringers at Wal Mart are there only in hopes of converting us all to their religion, so we can go ring bells too?

Sure, most churches hope to convert others, but that should not be presumed to be their only motivation when it comes to charity. If you're going to second guess the Salvation Army, who's slogan is Doing The Most Good, then what are you going to say the United Way's under-handed motive is?

I used to give those guys some change, but now that I have learned they are a religious organization, they won't be seeing any more money from me. I believe in helping my fellow man, not helping my resident wacko church and its churchgoers.

[dude1394]

So many church "hatas" on the left. Sad really.

[wmbwinn]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

I used to give those guys some change, but now that I have learned they are a religious organization, they won't be seeing any more money from me. I believe in helping my fellow man, not helping my resident wacko church and its churchgoers.

Exactly.

Democrats: Church is shit and only wackos attend church and donate their money there. The money so donated is used to make ministers rich and for backhanded processes like recruiting more wackos.

I wish Obama had explained the Dem position on this so well. see post #19 again

[jefelump]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

I used to give those guys some change, but now that I have learned they are a religious organization, they won't be seeing any more money from me. I believe in helping my fellow man, not helping my resident wacko church and its churchgoers.

The United Way a religious organization? Perhaps, I really don't know. I stopped supporting them when they withdrew support to the Boy Scouts. Had nothing to do with religion.

But your comments here are very telling. You don't want to designate churches as charities, because you're anti-church. It really has nothing to do at all with the charitable work they do. If they are religious, f@#$ em.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by jefelump

You don't want to designate churches as charities

Churches AREN'T charities! Churches may or not engage in charitable works, but churches at essence are not charities.

That's just silly, to claim that they are.

[wmbwinn]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Churches AREN'T charities! Churches may or not engage in charitable works, but churches at essence are not charities.

That's just silly, to claim that they are.

as Mavdog pointed out, the IRS defines churches as charities. So, you have a definitions problem.

Further, both you and Mavdog did not realize the Salvation Army was a Church. They are so obviously devoted to charitable work that you didn't even recognize it as a Church.

They are obviously a charitable group. They are also a Church.

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by wmbwinn

as Mavdog pointed out, the IRS defines churches as charities. So, you have a definitions problem.

WHAT? you have severe comphrehension issue!
the irs does NOT define churches as charities.
in fact the irs has registration requirements for charities, they don't have the same requirements for churches.

get a clue...

Further, both you and Mavdog did not realize the Salvation Army was a Church. They are so obviously devoted to charitable work that you didn't even recognize it as a Church.

They are obviously a charitable group. They are also a Church.

yes, they are a "church", but they are not a typical church in how almost every other church is structured. the military framework, their work outside of a set facility, they are very singular in many ways.

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by jefelump

Since you chose to make those comments in response to the Salvation Army link, are you trying to say those bell ringers at Wal Mart are there only in hopes of converting us all to their religion, so we can go ring bells too?

why do you refer to the salvation army as a "church"? they don't.

[wmbwinn]

The Salvation Army is a church. You can study that out for yourself if you really care to.