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Thespiralgoeson · 06-28-2022, 02:45 PM

Ugh.... more talk about Brunson wanting to "spread his wings." I hope this is just posturing to get the Mavs to pony up.

I'm so sick of this. I want this to be over.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-28-2022, 02:57 PM

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Ugh.... more talk about Brunson wanting to "spread his wings." I hope this is just posturing to get the Mavs to pony up.

I'm so sick of this. I want this to be over.

Agreed, but the worst thing would be if the Mavs don't try to get a S&T done if Brunson walks out. Kicking the dirt gets you nothing. A few second round picks and Burks or Quickley is better than nothing. People cry over losing an asset, well a 10 mil expiring in Burks is a really good asset to have.

Kidd let Brunson spread his wings, so it's a ludicrous argument. Again, if the money is more or equal, then f Brunson if he still chooses to leave. I will have no remorse and won't thank him for shit. Still a big if, but man there doesn't seem to be ANY news lately indicating he will stay.

Then again, a lot of the stuff lately is NY media which tries to strong arm this stuff by making things up.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-28-2022, 02:55 PM

If Brunson does end up leaving, then we REALLY need Dragic.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-28-2022, 03:11 PM

Wow...Skin thinks it's a 99% chance Brunson goes to the Knicks. Yikes.

https://twitter.com/ktfuntweets/stat...74633145720838

Thespiralgoeson · 06-28-2022, 03:18 PM

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Wow...Skin thinks it's a 99% chance Brunson goes to the Knicks. Yikes.

https://twitter.com/ktfuntweets/stat...74633145720838

*sigh* Welp... here's hoping we can pull a sign and trade and at least get something for him.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-28-2022, 03:30 PM

Yep, that's all she wrote folks. Oh well, get some assets from the knicks and move on.

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/sta...81232086118400

tap2390 · 06-28-2022, 03:37 PM

Fanbase will panic, but remember we have SD from training camp this season. We have THJ coming back. We have at least Dragic, Hardy, and Wood coming in. We hopefully have another 1-2 guys en route. We will be fine.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-28-2022, 03:38 PM

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Fanbase will panic, but remember we have SD from training camp this season. We have THJ coming back. We have at least Dragic, Hardy, and Wood coming in. We hopefully have another 1-2 guys en route. We will be fine.

Has there been any confirmation on Dragic? Because I haven't seen anything, and we've been through this song and dance with him every offseason for the past decade it feels like.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-28-2022, 03:50 PM

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Has there been any confirmation on Dragic? Because I haven't seen anything, and we've been through this song and dance with him every offseason for the past decade it feels like.

There was a source saying Dragic expected to sign with Dallas twitter. Legion of hoops so legitimacy meh.

purplefrog · 06-28-2022, 03:51 PM

MBT should make an offer to JB that exceeds the Knicks offer and make that number available to all Mavs fans. At least that would make it clear that he is just choosing to play for Daddy and his former agent and his decision is not because Cuban is a cheapskate (this time).

I would see if Noel + Reddish is a possible S&T for JB. Would rather have Burks (apparently Noel + Burks is a no-go from a salary cap point of view), but getting a back-up 5 would help soften the blow of losing Brunson.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-28-2022, 03:57 PM

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MBT should make an offer to JB that exceeds the Knicks offer and make that number available to all Mavs fans. At least that would make it clear that he is just choosing to play for Daddy and his former agent and his decision is not because Cuban is a cheapskate (this time).

I would see if Noel + Reddish is a possible S&T for JB. Would rather have Burks (apparently Noel + Burks is a no-go from a salary cap point of view), but getting a back-up 5 would help soften the blow of losing Brunson.

So I'm really fuzzy on how sign and trades work. What exactly is the incentive for the Knicks to give us anything? If they really want Brunson that bad, and he apparently wants to be there that bad, why not just sign him outright and leave the Mavs with their dicks in the wind?

BPo001 · 06-28-2022, 03:58 PM

Does JB just hate playing with Luka? Assuming the numbers are equal I don?t know how you go to a losing franchise like the Knicks over a Dallas team that just went to the WCF.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-28-2022, 04:02 PM

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Does JB just hate playing with Luka? Assuming the numbers are equal I don?t know how you go to a losing franchise like the Knicks over a Dallas team that just went to the WCF.

Yep, it's nuts, but I also didn't get the feeling the FO was that adamant about keeping him. I mean, the Knicks flat out slutted themselves to get him. Like their lives depended on it.

Meanwhile, Luka is off playing overseas and Cuban is probably shark tanking it. Nico seemed kidna laisser faire about the whole thing. If the Mavs wanted him badly enough, then they woulda tried to matched what the Knicks were doing. But I can't fully blame them. I don't believe losing Brunson is the end of the world. It sucks, sure, but what the Knicks did was bonkers.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-28-2022, 04:05 PM

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Does JB just hate playing with Luka? Assuming the numbers are equal I don?t know how you go to a losing franchise like the Knicks over a Dallas team that just went to the WCF.

That's how WE feel, but you have to remember, even with all their losing and incompetence over the past 25 years, the Knicks are STILL the "glamor" franchise for so many NBA players and fans.

Honestly, as much as it nauseates me, I get the appeal. It's just a unique franchise. Being in NY automatically makes you a much bigger star. Remember Linsanity? That was a legit cultural phenomenon. You think that would have happened if Lin played in Memphis, or Charlotte? Or even Dallas for that matter? No way. And don't even get me started on how insanely overhyped Porzingis was while he was there, just for being the first good player they had drafted in decades. I'm not saying he wasn't really good, but people were hyping him up like he was the next Duncan.

The sports media drools all over the Knicks, and for whatever reason, the media and the Knicks fanbase has always been obsessed with point guards. I guess because of Clyde Frazier? If Brunson is even mildly successful there, if they get back to the playoffs, the entire sports media and Knicks fanbase will lift him on their shoulders like he's Steve Nash in Phoenix, I promise you.

Melonhead · 06-28-2022, 04:05 PM

Stein: There is a growing resignation in Dallas, sources say, that the Knicks are indeed Brunson's top choice and his inevitable destination.

Mavs flat out suck every summer

EricaLubarsky · 06-28-2022, 04:10 PM

Knicks gonna be interesting with JB and Randle with half their cap

I?m happy for JB getting paid but man he?s walking into some shit

saclare · 06-28-2022, 04:23 PM

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Knicks gonna be interesting with JB and Randle with half their cap

I?m happy for JB getting paid but man he?s walking into some shit

Eh, my happiness is nil when we are reportedly prepared to match the offer. He's choosing his destination and will reap what he sows. That being said, I still hold the slim hope all this is smoke for an eventual re-signing, but man there's some strong sentiment out there this afternoon, much more so than yesterday/last night.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-28-2022, 04:16 PM

Yeah, I hope Brunson has a thick skin. Not only the fan base but a hard ass, nobody wants to play for coach (don't forget Randle basically quit on the team last season).

You thought Rick was a hard ass...well...good luck.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-28-2022, 04:21 PM

Seriously though, what are the odds of actually managing a sign and trade? What is this Knicks' incentive for doing one?

saclare · 06-28-2022, 04:31 PM

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Seriously though, what are the odds of actually managing a sign and trade? What is this Knicks' incentive for doing one?

Responded to you above. But one of their strongest suitors for space just resigned their center to a big extension. Not sure the Clippers will entertain a Nerlens Noel trade now...

Thespiralgoeson · 06-28-2022, 04:34 PM

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Responded to you above. But one of their strongest suitors for space just resigned their center to a big extension. Not sure the Clippers will entertain a Nerlens Noel trade now...

+rep. Thank you. I've read proposed deals where we get back our 2023 pick. That would be fantastic. So fantastic actually that I'm just going to assume it's not a realistic possibility.

saclare · 06-28-2022, 04:38 PM

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+rep. Thank you. I've read proposed deals where we get back our 2023 pick. That would be fantastic. So fantastic actually that I'm just going to assume it's not a realistic possibility.

Yep, I'd love to find a way to get Burks and our 2023 1st rounder back, hell any of the 1st they hold would be valuable and satisfy the Sepien rule.

I just have a bad feeling they will find a suitor for Burks and not need the Mavs...thus, eff Brunson.

On the other hand, apparently the Mavs have known the Knicks were the preferred destination for a while, according to Tim Cato. If that's the case, then 1) why tf would they not utilize the TPE and let it expire, and 2) why no engage NYK early on for SNT scenarios to get something back in return?

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-28-2022, 04:40 PM

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Responded to you above. But one of their strongest suitors for space just resigned their center to a big extension. Not sure the Clippers will entertain a Nerlens Noel trade now...

And they kept him for Powell money. I'd lol but it's just sad for us...

Thespiralgoeson · 06-28-2022, 04:43 PM

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And they kept him for Powell money. I'd lol but it's just sad for us...

Losing Brunson makes me hope that much more that the Mavs trade Powell for ANYTHING instead of keeping him and just letting his deal expire. His expiring contract is like the last tradeable asset we have left.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-28-2022, 04:28 PM

Mavs have known for weeks. Guess that explains it. Just gotta get something back in return.

https://twitter.com/tim_cato/status/1541894820133732352

Melonhead · 06-28-2022, 04:31 PM

All that talk after the warriors series. I?m upset but more upset at Mavs. Same shit every year because it starts and ends with Cuban.

Melonhead · 06-28-2022, 04:35 PM

Cato says Mavs have known for weeks

saclare · 06-28-2022, 04:39 PM

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Cato says Mavs have known for weeks

Yea I just saw that and included in my reply to spiral.

That then make it eff the Mavs FO for not engaging in trades utilizing the TPE (letting it expire) and/or SNT scenarios with the Knicks...tisk tisk

EricaLubarsky · 06-28-2022, 04:49 PM

Wood/Powell
DFS/Bertans
Bullock/ Green
THJ/ SD / Hardy/ Pinson
Luka/ ??? /Frank

Don?t know why people think we need wings. If anything we?re now desperately short on PGs and it?s still unclear if Wood can even play C.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-28-2022, 04:53 PM

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Wood/Powell
DFS/Bertans
Bullock/ Green
THJ/ SD / Hardy/ Pinson
Luka/ ??? /Frank

Don?t know why people think we need wings. If anything we?re now desperately short on PGs and it?s still unclear if Wood can even play C.

Because Bullock and DFS are the only guys that were playable in the playoffs, and Kidd had to run them into the ground. Now if Josh Green can actually turn into a respectable NBA player, the problem is pretty much solved. But we haven't seen that yet. I'm crossing my fingers, but I won't believe it until I see it.

Edit: You are definitely right about PGs though. Before, Dragic seemed like just a little extra assurance. With Brunson gone though, we NEED Dragic. And to put a finer point on it, we need him to be healthy and still decent. I feel like that's a lot to hope for.

Dtownsfinest · 06-28-2022, 04:56 PM

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Because Bullock and DFS are the only guys that were playable in the playoffs, and Kidd had to run them into the ground. Now if Josh Green can actually turn into a respectable NBA player, the problem is pretty much solved. But we haven't seen that yet. I'm crossing my fingers, but I won't believe it until I see it.

Edit: You are definitely right about PGs though. Before, Dragic seemed like just a little extra assurance. With Brunson gone though, we NEED Dragic. And to put a finer point on it, we need him to be healthy and still decent. I feel like that's a lot to hope for.

I personally don't think you can be serious bout contending having both Bullock and DFS getting 40 minutes a night in the playoffs. Its a actual joke and I'm fan of both guys but that's not it.

Melonhead · 06-28-2022, 05:07 PM

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I personally don't think you can be serious bout contending having both Bullock and DFS getting 40 minutes a night in the playoffs. Its a actual joke and I'm fan of both guys but that's not it.

Whereas we needed a center and another wing to take pressure off Bullock/DFS, now we need a pg too

Dtownsfinest · 06-28-2022, 05:16 PM

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Whereas we needed a center and another wing to take pressure off Bullock/DFS, now we need a pg too

I agree. Nico has his hands full if he's truly trying to compete this year.

Melonhead · 06-28-2022, 05:05 PM

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Because Bullock and DFS are the only guys that were playable in the playoffs, and Kidd had to run them into the ground. Now if Josh Green can actually turn into a respectable NBA player, the problem is pretty much solved. But we haven't seen that yet. I'm crossing my fingers, but I won't believe it until I see it.

Edit: You are definitely right about PGs though. Before, Dragic seemed like just a little extra assurance. With Brunson gone though, we NEED Dragic. And to put a finer point on it, we need him to be healthy and still decent. I feel like that's a lot to hope for.

I don?t see Dragic doing much at all in Dallas. Few years too late

Thespiralgoeson · 06-28-2022, 05:13 PM

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I don?t see Dragic doing much at all in Dallas. Few years too late

If he can get even close to his 2021 production, he would help a lot. Even this season, he still averaged nearly 5 assists a game in his limited time. The playmaking ability is still there. It's just a matter of if he can stay healthy. It's certainly possible he can't.

Dtownsfinest · 06-28-2022, 05:17 PM

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I don?t see Dragic doing much at all in Dallas. Few years too late

I don't either. Not sure what excitement people are getting from Dragic....if he's getting anything more than 10 minutes a night here its a fail.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-28-2022, 05:21 PM

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I don't either. Not sure what excitement people are getting from Dragic....if he's getting anything more than 10 minutes a night here its a fail.

Who the f*** is excited? This isn't excitement, it's desperation. Again though, in fairness to him, he's still got it as a playmaker. For the few games he did play this season, he definitely wasn't washed.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-28-2022, 05:16 PM

Man, if ever we needed to find a diamond in the rough, now is the time. I'm hoping to god this kid Hardy has the type of potential he seems to and he can realize it. The Mavs will never succeed with Luka being the only versatile offensive guard.

Melonhead · 06-28-2022, 05:17 PM

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Man, if ever we needed to find a diamond in the rough, now is the time. I'm hoping to god this kid Hardy has the type of potential he seems to and he can realize it. The Mavs will never succeed with Luka being the only versatile offensive guard.

My buddy got to watch him a lot in high school here in Vegas, thinks he could be the real deal.

Dtownsfinest · 06-28-2022, 05:23 PM

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My buddy got to watch him a lot in high school here in Vegas, thinks he could be the real deal.

I'm really confused to how his stock dropped to the 2nd round when he was considered a top 5 prospect in high school.

So if they allowed for him to enter the draft out of high school he would've been a top 5 pick. Has solid production against NBA level talent in G League and now he's a 2nd rounder.

I mean even if he did bust he's a 2nd round pick its just a very odd story. I mean I've seen it happen before...typically the G League doesn't hurt these guys stock. Ahh well...our fortune.