Mavs off-season and draft 2023 thread - Page 24 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

tap2390 · 06-23-2023, 12:10 AM

I?ll try to temper my expectations because I remember really liking our Tyrell Terry and Tyler Bey picks. Lively & OMP both do seem to translate well to the NBA.

EricaLubarsky · 06-22-2023, 11:36 PM

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Welcome to the squad Young Fella

EricaLubarsky · 06-22-2023, 11:39 PM

Crazy that 6?9? Juwan Howard might go undrafted with only 5 more picks

If we can nab him that would be so much gravy

EricaLubarsky · 06-22-2023, 11:43 PM

Damnit warriors

Got two steals

EricaLubarsky · 06-22-2023, 11:45 PM

Good draft

Dtownsfinest · 06-23-2023, 12:54 AM

Interesting?.I was thinking Holmes has a shot at starting here.

SMC0007 · 06-23-2023, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Interesting?.I was thinking Holmes has a shot at starting here.

Sure he does. Jason Kidd is our coach. You never know what you're gonna get.

rimrocker · 06-23-2023, 02:30 AM

Nico basically addressed 4 critical things in 1 night.
1. Improved our defense.
2. Improved our frontcourt.
3. Added a vet.
4. Made us younger.

Great job!!!

Thespiralgoeson · 06-23-2023, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

Nico basically addressed 4 critical things in 1 night.
1. Improved our defense.
2. Improved our frontcourt.
3. Added a vet.
4. Made us younger.

Great job!!!

Seriously, Nico absolutely killed this one. I'm actually allowing myself to be cautiously optimistic about the future, which is saying a lot considering I fell into total despair at the end of last season. I'd like to see us pick up one more reliable 3&D wing with our newly acquired MLE. If Nico does that, I'll be thrilled with this offseason (assuming we re-sign Kyrie)

EDIT: You forgot the 5th critical thing- getting rid of Bertans' awful contract, which allowed us to get under the luxury tax and keep the MLE.

rimrocker · 06-23-2023, 03:19 AM

Mavs Spurs rivalry is heating up again and now Mavs have a weapon to somewhat combat Wemby.

Looking forward to the next decade or so of the rivalry and those two battling several times a year plus most like POs.

Wemby was the main reason I wanted us to draft Lively.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-23-2023, 05:51 AM

Warriors getting TJD is fricken' draft malpractice. That's the only thorn on an otherwise great night.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-23-2023, 09:24 AM

TMac said Atlanta wanted Green or Hardy in order to get Capela. I'm a little torn as I might have included Green depending on what else came back, but Capela could very well be heading the direction of Deandre Jordan. Nice to see the Mavs hold tight though as teams don't seem to be total pushovers in negotiating minus Washington.

We still need to address rebounding though.

saclare · 06-23-2023, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

TMac said Atlanta wanted Green or Hardy in order to get Capela. I'm a little torn as I might have included Green depending on what else came back, but Capela could very well be heading the direction of Deandre Jordan. Nice to see the Mavs hold tight though as teams don't seem to be total pushovers in negotiating minus Washington.

We still need to address rebounding though.

Lol no way to Hardy, but if Green was included then the 10th pick surely wouldn't also be packaged for Capela. Now if it were Green and filler for Capela and #15 that would be interesting. Not sure I do Green straight up for Capela, as I'd rather keep Green or feel we could net something better with him in a deal.

Dtownsfinest · 06-23-2023, 11:11 AM

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Lol no way to Hardy, but if Green was included then the 10th pick surely wouldn't also be packaged for Capela. Now if it were Green and filler for Capela and #15 that would be interesting. Not sure I do Green straight up for Capela, as I'd rather keep Green or feel we could net something better with him in a deal.

Never really been a big fan of Green especially with who was on the board at the time we drafted but last season I saw what his ceiling can potentially be. I couldn?t throw him but if they sent back Capella and the 15th pick? Wouldn?t be upset about it.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-23-2023, 11:15 AM

Oscar Tshiebwe is still a FA. Shocked he hasn't been picked up yet.

purplefrog · 06-23-2023, 11:32 AM

Just saw that the Mavs signed Mike Miles to a two-way contract. Very happy about that addition to the team. Miles is a tough, physical point guard who brings a high level of intensity to both ends of the court. He is not afraid of contact and draws a lot of fouls. Draftkings compares him to Peyton Pritchard, with the ceiling being Jalen Brunson.

Shams Charania
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Undrafted TCU guard Mike Miles Jr. has agreed to a two-way NBA contract with the Dallas Mavericks, sources tell
@TheAthletic@Stadium

saclare · 06-23-2023, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by purplefrog

Just saw that the Mavs signed Mike Miles to a two-way contract. Very happy about that addition to the team. Miles is a tough, physical point guard who brings a high level of intensity to both ends of the court. He is not afraid of contact and draws a lot of fouls. Draftkings compares him to Peyton Pritchard, with the ceiling being Jalen Brunson.

Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
Undrafted TCU guard Mike Miles Jr. has agreed to a two-way NBA contract with the Dallas Mavericks, sources tell
@TheAthletic@Stadium

Awesome pickup. I can honestly envision a scenario where Miles Jr. gets more minutes this upcoming year. He's a perfect backup PG type. Bigger than McKinley Wright and more upside, he has some Barea qualities to his game, too.

SMC0007 · 06-23-2023, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by purplefrog

Just saw that the Mavs signed Mike Miles to a two-way contract. Very happy about that addition to the team. Miles is a tough, physical point guard who brings a high level of intensity to both ends of the court. He is not afraid of contact and draws a lot of fouls. Draftkings compares him to Peyton Pritchard, with the ceiling being Jalen Brunson.

Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
Undrafted TCU guard Mike Miles Jr. has agreed to a two-way NBA contract with the Dallas Mavericks, sources tell
@TheAthletic@Stadium

Lifelong TCU fan. I watch pretty much every game and I was happily surprised they picked up Miles. He's a really good player and he led a high level team until some unfortunate things happened.

Melonhead · 06-23-2023, 02:34 PM

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2023/6...source=twitter

Maybe the dumbest thing I?ve ever read from MMB.

Says FO lacks self awareness yet admits he knows nothing about Lively.

He ?assumed? the Mavs would be getting Lu Dort for trading back 2 spots lol

MFFL · 06-23-2023, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2023/6...source=twitter

Maybe the dumbest thing I?ve ever read from MMB.

Says FO lacks self awareness yet admits he knows nothing about Lively.

He ?assumed? the Mavs would be getting Lu Dort for trading back 2 spots lol

It was a horrible take.

Kidd Karma · 06-23-2023, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2023/6...source=twitter

Maybe the dumbest thing I?ve ever read from MMB.

Says FO lacks self awareness yet admits he knows nothing about Lively.

He ?assumed? the Mavs would be getting Lu Dort for trading back 2 spots lol

The audacity, keyboard courage. Lu Dort the 6-5 defensive beast.....the nerve. Self awareness????

Dtownsfinest · 06-23-2023, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2023/6...source=twitter

Maybe the dumbest thing I?ve ever read from MMB.

Says FO lacks self awareness yet admits he knows nothing about Lively.

He ?assumed? the Mavs would be getting Lu Dort for trading back 2 spots lol

Yeah he's incredibly clueless and out of touch. His take that you shouldn't take a center in the top 10....fair enough. But Lively was a 12th overall pick technically lol. But I get the league is getting away from the traditional big man.

But this offseason was about maximizing Luka's prime and fixing holes. Unfortunately....one of those holes was interior defense. Lively may not fix that instantly but Holmes can.

I would've loved Lu Dort but if teams were offering 2 1st's for DFS...Dort was gonna cost more than that.

saclare · 06-23-2023, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Oscar Tshiebwe is still a FA. Shocked he hasn't been picked up yet.

Super interesting a player of the year type can't even lull a team to spend a 2nd rounder on him. That is odd...even a flyer or something.

BPo001 · 06-23-2023, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Oscar Tshiebwe is still a FA. Shocked he hasn't been picked up yet.

SIGN HIM! Wasn?t he a potential lottery pick the previous year, and he went back to school? He will shore up any rebounding issues.

GQ2003 · 06-23-2023, 11:53 AM

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SIGN HIM! Wasn?t he a potential lottery pick the previous year, and he went back to school? He will shore up any rebounding issues.

No, he was never viewed as a lottery pick which is why he went back to school after winning NPOY.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-23-2023, 11:26 AM

I also wouldn't count out still getting a starting center especially since they wanted Capela.

sig · 06-23-2023, 11:53 AM

I would not have done Green and 10 for 15 and Capela. I would have done Green and 10 for Okungwu and 15 then drafted JHS.

Right now with TJD in GS and having some Draymond type traits in his game plus the Warriors have Kuminga ready to play expanded minutes, I think Draymond would be perfect fit on Mavs. I don't think warriors or Green want to split but Mavs should talk to him while he is FA.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-23-2023, 12:35 PM

Well I have a feeling Capela is about to go the way of Deandre Jordan. He would been good for a year but then regressed. Plus, he is hurt a lot. It's certainly not an easy decision either way though hence why the Mavs considered it.

Green has one more season to prove consistency. He and Hardy were electric when the played a lot of minutes together.

Going younger was the absolutely right move though. Having a team full of tired hurt old vets killed us last season.

EricaLubarsky · 06-23-2023, 03:03 PM

Brian Dameris
@bdameris
OMax nugget:

You want defense?

Opponents shot 26% on jump shots when he contested....#1 amongst Top 100 prospects with more than 50 contested jumpers.

Opponents shot 24% on all possessions with OMax as nearest defender

Dtownsfinest · 06-23-2023, 03:15 PM

What's the market for mid-level these days? I'm so out of touch with what you can get for that these days.

saclare · 06-23-2023, 03:48 PM

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What's the market for mid-level these days? I'm so out of touch with what you can get for that these days.

I believe it inches past $11MM aggregate. With the full MLE, Mavs can offer guys deals up to 4 years in length.

For example, they can offer 4 years and $11MM to one players, or several 4 year deals as long as the combined AAV is less than the $11MM total.

There's an advantage in having the full MLE to compete against those without. It tiers down where some teams can only offer 2 or 3 year deals with the aggregate decreasing pending that particular team's cap situation.

Guys that fit a full MLE offer would be Grant Williams, Bruce Brown, Harrison Barnes, Donte DiVincenzo, etc.

EricaLubarsky · 06-23-2023, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

What's the market for mid-level these days? I'm so out of touch with what you can get for that these days.

Now that we?re below the tax, we?d have a starting salary of 11.4mill

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-23-2023, 03:58 PM

I can't imagine Barnes settling for the MLE, but who knows.

Wonder if we can get Grant for THJ.

sig · 06-23-2023, 04:59 PM

Can the Mavs get Kuzma for FRP in 2027 and matching salary? Wiz seem to be playing the game of taking on salary if they get picks.

EricaLubarsky · 06-23-2023, 07:16 PM

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Can the Mavs get Kuzma for FRP in 2027 and matching salary? Wiz seem to be playing the game of taking on salary if they get picks.

Possible, but I don't know how likely. He just turned down 13 and is looking for 33mill (max). We would need:

1) Kuzma to be in. He's a UFA now and most likely has a max offer from the Kings. He would have to want to be here.

2) Wizards would have to be in. The FRP is nice for them, but would they want what we have to offer? If they let him walk, they clear a lot of cap. If they SnT him, they'd have to take back 30 mill in contracts roughly. That's THJ/Wood, THJ/Kleber, or THJ/Bullock. THJ/Wood could be really entertaining scoring it while they rebuild. Bullock is expiring after this season so he's a nice piece they could also flip.

3) A third team to assist- we'd almost certainly need a third team because of BYC. What would they want to help us?

4) Mavs to be in. We'd lose our last available FRP to trade. We'd lose the MLE. We'd lose some guys we (and Kyrie) loves like THJ. We'd then have three max contracts.

So...maybe?

EricaLubarsky · 06-23-2023, 07:26 PM

Roster under contract as of 6/23
Lively/McGee/???
Prosper/Kleber/Holmes
THJ/Green/Bullock
Hardy/???/???
Luka/???/???

Free agents: Kyrie, Wood, Powell, Morris, Frank, Theo, Holiday

Melonhead · 06-23-2023, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Roster under contract as of 6/23
Lively/McGee/???
Prosper/Kleber/Holmes
THJ/Green/Bullock
Hardy/???/???
Luka/???/???

Free agents: Kyrie, Wood, Powell, Morris, Frank, Theo, Holiday

Kyrie and Powell

They might do Theo for vibes but I hope not.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-23-2023, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Roster under contract as of 6/23
Lively/McGee/???
Prosper/Kleber/Holmes
THJ/Green/Bullock
Hardy/???/???
Luka/???/???

Free agents: Kyrie, Wood, Powell, Morris, Frank, Theo, Holiday

Let's just go ahead and assume Kyrie re-signs, which I think is a pretty safe bet at this point considering nobody else seems particularly interested.

Then our lineup so far looks like

Luka/???
Kyrie/Hardy
Green/THJ/Prosper
Maxi/Bullock
Lively/Holmes

It seems we could use a backup PG, maybe another big just for insurance in case Lively is too raw and Holmes is totally washed. It'll be really interesting to see what the Mavs do with the MLE, and/or if they manage to pull off another trade.

But man, this roster is shaping up nicely. If Green and Hardy continue developing on the trajectory showed last year, this could be a real bounce-back year for the Mavs. Both of those young guys were my sole reasons for hope at the end of the season. I feel like Hardy could be a legit star in the making, and Green could be an Iguodala-like franchise cornerstone. If these guys are actually as good as they looked at the end of last year, a Luka/Green/Hardy nucleus could be something special to build around for years to come.

The only huge if (and I do mean HUGE) is if Luka and Kyrie can make it work together. If they can do that, I can easily see this being a 55-ish win team again.

Scoobay · 06-23-2023, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Let's just go ahead and assume Kyrie re-signs, which I think is a pretty safe bet at this point considering nobody else seems particularly interested.

Then our lineup so far looks like

Luka/???
Kyrie/Hardy
Green/THJ/Prosper
Maxi/Bullock
Lively/Holmes

It seems we could use a backup PG, maybe another big just for insurance in case Lively is too raw and Holmes is totally washed. It'll be really interesting to see what the Mavs do with the MLE, and/or if they manage to pull off another trade.

But man, this roster is shaping up nicely. If Green and Hardy continue developing on the trajectory showed last year, this could be a real bounce-back year for the Mavs. Both of those young guys were my sole reasons for hope at the end of the season. I feel like Hardy could be a legit star in the making, and Green could be an Iguodala-like franchise cornerstone. If these guys are actually as good as they looked at the end of last year, a Luka/Green/Hardy nucleus could be something special to build around for years to come.

The only huge if (and I do mean HUGE) is if Luka and Kyrie can make it work together. If they can do that, I can easily see this being a 55-ish win team again.

No need for backup PG - stagger Luka/Kyrie rest times so one of them is always out there, and/or time to let Hardy/Green run the show some and develop their skills there.

Would be nice to have a bigger wing

Did you leave Powell/Mcgee off the list on purpose?

Thespiralgoeson · 06-23-2023, 10:51 PM

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No need for backup PG - stagger Luka/Kyrie rest times so one of them is always out there, and/or time to let Hardy/Green run the show some and develop their skills there.

I guess I'm still a little nervous because none of those guys are true point guards, so I wouldn't mind having a backup. But you're right, it's not an absolutely gaping hole in the roster like it has been in recent years.

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Would be nice to have a bigger wing

Agreed. If we can manage to move THJ for another two-way wing, I'd be thrilled.

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Did you leave Powell/Mcgee off the list on purpose?

Powell yes, because he's UFA and I feel like Lively and Holmes have made him totally unnecessary. I'll be kind of surprised if the Mavs keep him at this point. McGee, I just plain forgot (and really, can you blame me?)