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grndmstr_c · 07-06-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I honestly think I'd hang onto the LLE given what we know of the roster right now (assuming the trade goes through).

If Wright sticks, I can definitely see that as perhaps the best choice. It could always be used later if somebody more compelling comes along.

Underdog · 07-06-2009, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

What do you want from the LLE?

Which PG's are available for that price?

(otherwise, give me Matt Barnes...)

Flacolaco · 07-06-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

One nice thing about this..we will know tomorrow or Wednesday at the very latest if it's going to happen or not. Whereas we have to wait another 9 gays for the Gortat thing to be official.

Underrated.

mac222b · 07-07-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

One nice thing about this..we will know tomorrow or Wednesday at the very latest if it's going to happen or not. Whereas we have to wait another 9 gays for the Gortat thing to be official.

So let's assume this goes through, Gortat is here, Kidd signs, and the plan is to roll with Marion/Josh as your 2/3. Assume some sort of filler is sent in the trade, but not Wright.

What do you want from the LLE?

Anthony Parker, Rodney Carney, Quis?

jthig32 · 07-06-2009, 10:50 PM

Oh, and if this happens...goodbye Bass.

bobatundi · 07-06-2009, 10:51 PM

So if this deal goes down, and this is the last major move the Mavs make this offseason, I will be satisfied that the FO has done a solid job.

1. Kept J-Kidd. The guy is still a player, and we had NOTHING to replace him with; if we let him walk, we'd have had to use one of our other chips to fill the hole at PG, and would have been dealing from a position of weakness, even desperation--meaning we'd have badly overpaid.

2. Upgraded the C position. As espoused in the Gortat thread (the 2nd most popular thread I ever started, after the Harry Potter joke I made which turned into a serious one), I'm a fan of the Gortat signing--not because I think he's the second coming, but because whether he's our starter next year or splits the game in half with Damp, our overall 48 minutes at the C position has been improved over what it was last season.

3. Acquired an athletic wing (Marion) who can play on both ends of the court. I'm not a huge Marion fan--though I'm hoping that is mostly sour grapes over him having been on one of our chief rivals for a few seasons. He is athletic, which we needed. He possesses an outside shot--not a deadly one, but defenses can't leave him alone out there. He's a finisher, a guy that Kidd is going to connect with for a couple alley-oops a game. Oh, and he actually plays defense. Marion can also slide over to the 4 for the 8-10 minutes a game that Dirk rests, which effectively fills the void created by Bass's eventual departure.

What I really like here is, we've added two players to our top 8, which makes our top 8 better, but also improves our depth. Assume Damp goes to the bench--well, that's arguably the best backup C in the league. Assume Josh & Marion start at the wings--well, that pushes Antoine Wright down to our #8 guy (Kidd, Josh, Marion, Dirk, Gortat, Terry, Damp), where he's actually pretty solid. Having guys like Barea and Singleton as the 9th & 10th guys, instead of 7th & 8th, is indicative of a stronger team overall.

The other thing I like about this deal--again, assuming it's the Stack chip (and maybe some filler garbage like Williams or George) for Marion--is that we now have two large expiring contracts on the roster who are potentially expendable. If Gortat is really strong, and Hollins returns & shows some development, Damp can be moved; if Marion contributes a lot and Josh persists in being a knuckehead, there's expiring #2. One of those two, or the pair combined, can be parlayed into a significant contributor at the deadline should we find ourselves on the cusp of contention but just one piece away. It also puts us in the position of strength, having something other teams will want, rather than being desperate buyers. For instance, trading Damp & Josh for Michael Redd would be a gamble right now, with us not knowing for sure that Gortat is a 40 minute center, and Redd coming off an injury; but come February, we'll know more about our guys, and more about Redd (or someone like him), which will allow for a more informed decision, should we have to make one.

Oh yeah--and the other alternative is, both Josh and Damp are playing well, the team meshes as a unit...and we find ourselves contending for the West with a lineup of Kidd, Josh, Marion, Dirk & Gortat, backed by Terry, Damp, Wright, Singleton, Barea, etc. Awesome. Then we don't need to make a move, and can decide in the offseason if we want to let those guys expire, pick up the option on Josh, involve one or both in a S&T for Bosh, etc.

RareMilk · 07-06-2009, 10:52 PM

I am sold! Anything to bring some length in here! Have you seen his wing span in person? I've seen him in person but I didn't ask him "Oh hey Shawn open up your arms and flap em' like a bird please"

bobatundi · 07-06-2009, 10:54 PM

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I am sold! Anything to bring some length in here! Have you seen his wing span in person? I've seen him in person but I didn't ask him "Oh hey Shawn open up your arms and flap em' like a bird please"

Taken out of context, one might think this is a post about Bradley.

SMC0007 · 07-06-2009, 11:00 PM

Not sure of the availability of some of these but:

Von Wafer
Fred Jones
Keith Bogans
Chris Wilcocks
Morris Almond
Ryan Hollins
James Singleton

darkwitzki · 07-06-2009, 11:04 PM

Nice addition though, but can he thrive on a halfcourt paced Mavs?

nowhereman · 07-06-2009, 11:04 PM

I really want Quisy with the LLE... or maybe someone that can make a 3 pointer to space out the floor.

That said, on a somewhat related note going back to what Boba said, I do think Josh > Redd at this point.

grndmstr_c · 07-06-2009, 11:04 PM

I wouldn't hate Barnes. Wouldn't love him, either.

Underdog · 07-06-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I wouldn't hate Barnes. Wouldn't love him, either.

Kidd/Barea
Josh/JET
Marion/Barnes
Dirk/Singleton
Gortat/Damp

That's a pretty badass bench (and a strong enough starting 5 to render it virtually useless!)

jthig32 · 07-06-2009, 11:07 PM

Stack, we do not have early bird on Singleton.

BG, yes the LLE exception is also known as the BiAnnual Exception. You can only use it every other year.

I think UD may be right, backup PG might be a focus. Fish had a note yesterday that the Mavs might view JJB as a better option at SG. Which makes me a bit nauseous.

Underdog · 07-06-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I think UD may be right, backup PG might be a focus. Fish had a note yesterday that the Mavs might view JJB as a better option at SG. Which makes me a bit nauseous.

Which PG's would be available for that price?

We should be looking for an eventual replacement for Kidd, or at least someone who's a "truer" PG than Barea (because Fish is right about JJB being more of a SG, which makes him pretty much useless in this proposed lineup - especially if Ross eats up a few minutes at the 2!)

RoddyB#3 · 07-06-2009, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Which PG's would be available for that price?

We should be looking for an eventual replacement for Kidd, or at least someone who's a "truer" PG than Barea (because Fish is right about JJB being more of a SG, which makes him pretty much useless in this proposed lineup - especially if Ross eats up a few minutes at the 2!)

Roddy is the FUTURE!

mac222b · 07-07-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Which PG's would be available for that price?

We should be looking for an eventual replacement for Kidd, or at least someone who's a "truer" PG than Barea (because Fish is right about JJB being more of a SG, which makes him pretty much useless in this proposed lineup - especially if Ross eats up a few minutes at the 2!)

Ronny Price is decent

darkwitzki · 07-06-2009, 11:11 PM

Josh and Damp for someone the likes of Boozer PF prototype dude.

grndmstr_c · 07-06-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by darkwitzki

Josh and Damp for someone the likes of Boozer PF prototype dude.

Barf

destroy ALL · 07-06-2009, 11:23 PM

what can we get for j-ho? casue i really want josh smith or andre igodala.

Nowitzki4President · 07-06-2009, 11:29 PM

I just got home after a long day. So it'll be hard to keep up with whats going on right now.

How close is this deal to being done?

Who are the proposed players in the deal?

And who's the third team, if there is one?

If anyone could catch me up to date of whats going on, that'd be great!

grndmstr_c · 07-06-2009, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nowitzki4President

I just got home after a long day. So it'll be hard to keep up with whats going on right now.

How close is this deal to being done?

Who are the proposed players in the deal?

And who's the third team, if there is one?

If anyone could catch me up to date of whats going on, that'd be great!

If you want speculation, see the articles on db.com. The only name I've seen that's come up (other than Marion and Stack) is Humphries.

StackAttack · 07-06-2009, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nowitzki4President

I just got home after a long day. So it'll be hard to keep up with whats going on right now.

How close is this deal to being done?

Who are the proposed players in the deal?

And who's the third team, if there is one?

If anyone could catch me up to date of whats going on, that'd be great!

Literally this entire thread is based on rumblings of some sort of discussion about a sign-and-trade for Shawn Marion. Mavs fans are very easy to excite.

Flacolaco · 07-06-2009, 11:25 PM

If you're looking for a point guard of the future...."Fuhhhget about iiiiit"

I would think that such a beast would come at a high price, or via first round pick (that we don't have).

That's part of the hugeness (awesome word) of the Kidd signing. They've got 2-3 years to figure it out.

grndmstr_c · 07-06-2009, 11:30 PM

I don't think the Mavs even consider signing another PG until after they've gotten an up-close look at Boobie in summer league.

Underdog · 07-06-2009, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I don't think the Mavs even consider signing another PG until after they've gotten an up-close look at Boobie in summer league.

...and Calathes!

BGMaverick9 · 07-06-2009, 11:31 PM

PGs:
Stephon Marbury
Lindsey Hunter
Anthony Carter
Tyronn Lue
Brevin Knight

I'm not sure if it's worth it. Barea might be SEEN as a SG, but there aren't any minutes for him there. Roddy isn't going to be ready more than likely, so Barea has gotta be the primary backup. The LLE isn't going to get you that future piece to replace Kidd. That is a project a year or so down the road.

It really depends on what happens with this deal for Marion, what stays and what goes. Right now it seems like the backup to Dirk is one route you can look at, and the backup to Marion could be another...again, just depends on how it shakes out.

RoddyB#3 · 07-06-2009, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

PGs:
Stephon Marbury
Lindsey Hunter
Anthony Carter
Tyronn Lue
Brevin Knight

I'm not sure if it's worth it. Barea might be SEEN as a SG, but there aren't any minutes for him there. Roddy isn't going to be ready more than likely, so Barea has gotta be the primary backup. The LLE isn't going to get you that future piece to replace Kidd. That is a project a year or so down the road.

His name is Rodrigue Beaubois

...........Work with me here!

FINtastic · 07-06-2009, 11:34 PM

Talk about a list of players that can make your sports pants go limp...

u2sarajevo · 07-06-2009, 11:35 PM

I like this move. It doesn't necessarily make my basketball pants fly around the room.... but it sure is better than having to wait nine whole gays for Gortat to be signed.

Flacolaco · 07-06-2009, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by u2sarajevo

I like this move. It doesn't necessarily make my basketball pants fly around the room.... but it sure is better than having to wait nine whole gays for Gortat to be signed.

I see you've been following the proceedings QUITE closely.

FINtastic · 07-06-2009, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by u2sarajevo

I like this move. It doesn't necessarily make my basketball pants fly around the room.... but it sure is better than having to wait nine whole gays for Gortat to be signed.

I'm open to wait nine whole gays for Gortat.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 07-06-2009, 11:40 PM

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I'm open to wait nine whole gays for Gortat.

That's what HE said.

mac222b · 07-07-2009, 05:04 PM

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I'm open to wait nine whole gays for Gortat.

9 hole gays?!

Zki41 · 07-06-2009, 11:38 PM

If Stack goes for Marion, unless we find some blockbuster trade we'll see these players for sure going into the season:

Dirk
Howard
Kidd
Marion
Gortat
Terry
Dampier
Barea (I don't see us trading him)

If Josh moves to the two, I expect us to use Wright in some kind of trade.

We will probably retain Singleton and Hollins.

I assume we would have George, Williams, and Carroll as inactive under contract, probably use them in trades (though I doubt anyone will pick up Carroll, and I don't we will keep him active).

We need to use Bass in a sign and trade to get anything of value to beefen up our roster. We have a decent amount of trading pieces to add 2 or 3 more solid pieces to our roster.

The priority of moving Dampier has been lessened due to acquiring Gortat, but if we can get any sort of upgrade for him that would be something to consider. I really think we need to thank Terry and let him go and find a solid shooting guard ... most likely the back up point guard issue will be taken care of by Barea and Beaubois. We would be solid at SF with Marion, and PF with Dirk/Singleton/some Marion. The 2 would be our weakest position going into the season despite most likely having Josh start there.

Nowitzki4President · 07-06-2009, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Zki41

If Stack goes for Marion, unless we find some blockbuster trade we'll see these players for sure going into the season:

Dirk
Howard
Kidd
Marion
Gortat
Terry
Dampier
Barea (I don't see us trading him)

That line up will sure be fun to watch, but I don't know how far that'll get us (Conference finals at best). I think if we do get Marion, and finalize the Gortat signing, that we have one more (at the very least) move in us.

We'd still have Damp to deal, as well as Terry. Damp would go to a team looking to clear room (like the Bucks, Charlotte, etc.) so we should try to get something outta him. As for Terry... to be honest, I know nothing of his contract, but coming off the 6th man year, this is his prime time to be dealt.

So I say we still try to get another 2/3 gaurd (I mean someone who can play both, not either), a good back up for Dirk (since Bass SHOULD be on the move), and maybe a back up center, why not?

EDIT: Not saying we could get all that, but try to get some of those pieces.

StackAttack · 07-06-2009, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Nowitzki4President

That line up will sure be fun to watch, but I don't know how far that'll get us (Conference finals at best). I think if we do get Marion, and finalize the Gortat signing, that we have one more (at the very least) move in us.

We'd still have Damp to deal, as well as Terry. Damp would go to a team looking to clear room (like the Bucks, Charlotte, etc.) so we should try to get something outta him. As for Terry... to be honest, I know nothing of his contract, but coming off the 6th man year, this is his prime time to be dealt.

So I say we still try to get another 2/3 gaurd (I mean someone who can play both, not either), a good back up for Dirk (since Bass SHOULD be on the move), and maybe a back up center, why not?

EDIT: Not saying we could get all that, but try to get some of those pieces.

I'm pretty sure the FO has no intention of trading Terry, and honestly, they shouldn't. Despite an awful playoffs, his value here is inarguable - he's much more than a "chip."

Mavsfan4ever · 07-06-2009, 11:51 PM

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I'm pretty sure the FO has no intention of trading Terry, and honestly, they shouldn't. Despite an awful playoffs, his value here is inarguable - he's much more than a "chip."

I agree with this his value is to high for the Mavs to part with Terry. I will admit I do have a bit of a bias giving I'm a huge JET fan.

Nowitzki4President · 07-06-2009, 11:53 PM

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I'm pretty sure the FO has no intention of trading Terry, and honestly, they shouldn't. Despite an awful playoffs, his value here is inarguable - he's much more than a "chip."

Your saying if we could deal Terry in a package that could get us Michael Redd, or something of his caliber, you wouldn't do it?

Where do you (as in, all of you, not just StackAttack) stand on the whole "move or don't move Damp" issue?

I only see Damp useful where defending Shaq, and maybe Bynum. Which may prove useful and make me look foolish.

StackAttack · 07-06-2009, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Nowitzki4President

Your saying if we could deal Terry in a package that could get us Michael Redd, or something of his caliber, you wouldn't do it?

Where do you (as in, all of you, not just StackAttack) stand on the whole "move or don't move Damp" issue?

I only see Damp useful where defending Shaq, and maybe Bynum. Which may prove useful and make me look foolish.

Not saying I wouldn't pull the trigger, but there's no reason for the Mavs FO to be actively shopping JET. Besides, the way I see it, trading JET for a starting 2 just creates a void on the bench. We should be looking to use our expendable assets to fill the 2 guard void, not just swap one hole for another.

As far as Damp goes, I'm perfectly okay with a Gortat/Hollins rotation, but I feel like I'd be in the minority there.