McCain's VP Pick?

[mary]

She was doing what Hillary has been doing...talking about shattering the glass ceiling...it's been a on-going theme of this election...vote for an african-american, vote for a woman.

So you think I should vote for Palin because she's a woman? You think voting for someone based on their gender has an impact on the glass ceiling (you know, besides lowering it)?

You don't mind the gender card being played? You don't mind the race card being played?

What's your position on it?

So what's your beef with what Madeline Albright said? Is that the quote you are really criticising other than sarah using it with respect to the glass ceiling?

If you could find MA's speech, I'd read it and be happy to discuss it with you. As it is, I'm discussing Palin's poor judgment in using it to rally women to vote for her because she has the same genetalia as they do.

[chumdawg]

This is probably the dumbest thing I have heard a politician say since Clayton Williams said that rape was like the rain...you can't do anything about it, so you may as well just sit back and enjoy it.

This woman is playing in a league way, way, way above her head.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

This is probably the dumbest thing I have heard a politician say since Clayton Williams said that rape was like the rain...you can't do anything about it, so you may as well just sit back and enjoy it.

This woman is playing in a league way, way, way above her head.

Eeek...palin isn't the number one obama cheerleaders cup of tea. We can all just sit back and enjoy getting raped by the socialist obama and the democrats. It's going to hurt really bad...but I'm sure they won't be responsible.

[dude1394]

Facts really don't matter much with the obama-media anymore. Via the "AP".
I'm getting the equation.

Criticizer_of_obama = {racist, smearjobber, bigot, christian, republican, redneck, yokel }

Analysis: Palin's words carry racial tinge
Oct 5 10:43 AM US/Eastern
By DOUGLASS K. DANIEL
Associated Press Writer

Palin Attacks Obama on ‘Palling Around with Terrorists’

WASHINGTON (AP) - By claiming that Democrat Barack Obama is "palling around with terrorists" and doesn't see the U.S. like other Americans, vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin targeted key goals for a faltering campaign.

[chumdawg]

I'm just wondering...has anyone heard from John McCain lately? Is he still around?

[Murphy3]

Honestly, I don't like many of Obama's ties. I'm looking forward to more coming out with regards to the company he keeps.

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Not according to Stanley Kurtz...another "smear" merchant who dares criticize theone.

it's very revealing that kurtz can't realy offer any proof supporting his campaign to tie the two together, and that's even after kurtz was able to look at the univ of illinois materials where he believed evidence would be found.

kurtz has no support but that does not stop kurtz from continuing to make the assertion. seems like kurtz isn't ready to acknowledge what every major news organization has when they did the research- the ties with ayers are flimsy and have no bearing on the presidential race.

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Facts really don't matter much with the obama-media anymore. Via the "AP".
I'm getting the equation.

Criticizer_of_obama = {racist, smearjobber, bigot, christian, republican, redneck, yokel }

did you take the time to actually read what palin said?

"This [obama] is not a man who sees America like you and I see America," Palin said. "We see America as a force of good in this world. We see an America of exceptionalism."

it is a very unfortunate turn of events when one candidate attempts to paint another as unpatriotic, tries to turn a campaign into an argument of who loves their country and who doesn't.

obama is a patriot, he loves his country. he has expressed he too sees america as an exceptional country. these beliefs need not be questioned, for there is no basis to question them.

what exactly is palin saying about "you and I' that is different than obama? the different policy proposals isn't what she is referring to. there's scant mention of any policies/positions/proposals in palin's remark.

hmm, so what is different between palin/mccain and obama?

[rabbitproof]

That's a gender card if I ever saw one.

You could've paraphrased the quote as:
"You should pick me because I have these chromosomes."

[rabbitproof]

My worst nightmare is if McCain-Palin wins and McCain steps down (or passes) and Cheney comes back as VP.

[dude1394]

I read what Palin said and I pretty much agree with her, that Obama's associations and thoughts are dangerous to this country. Obamas's supporters line up with the Michael Moore, Streisands of the world and even his own wifes views until they were outed.

I expect he doesn't think Ayers or Wright are nearly as out of the mainstream as Sean Hannity is.

This comment seems to sum up my feelings on Obama.

It's not that surprising that he wouldn't find Ayers and Wright objectionable company--in the very liberal, Hyde Park/Ivy League circles that he's traveled in since attending Columbia, people with such views are more mainstream than, say, the average conservative evangelical Christian. That itself makes Obama far more liberal than the image his campaign attempts to portray. But what is interesting to me is that not only did Obama not personally find anything especially obnoxious about Wright's radicalism, anti-Americanism, ties to Farrakahn, and so on, or Ayers' lack of regret for his terrorist past, he apparently didn't expect that much of anyone else would care, either. How else do you explain why he didn't jettison these individuals from his life before they could damage his presidential ambitions? How else do you explain how his campaign seemed to be caught flatfooted when Obama's ties to Wright and then Ayers became campaign issues? . . .

In short, Obama's ties to Ayers and Wright suggest to me NOT that Obama agrees with their views, but that he is the product of a particular intellectual culture that finds the likes of Wright and Ayers to be no more objectionable, and likely less so, than the likes of Tom Coburn, or, perhaps, a Rush Limbaugh. Not only that, but he has been in his particular intellectual bubble so long that he was unable to recognize just how offensive the views of a Wright are to mainstream America, or how his ties to Ayers would play with the public, especially post-9/11.

[rabbitproof]

Palin's associations with the independent Alaska peoples are just as 'dangerous'.

[dude1394]

Found out who the "shelly" was that Sarah was referring to when she quoted Madeline Allbright.

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/...looks-like.php

As I expected the comment was in reference to womens rights. Boy this NOW must be a {racist,bigot,hick,yokel} or something. She's gonna get a lot of hate mail, possibly even a lawsuit against her for daring to not support theMessiah.

"America, this is what a feminist looks like"
Posted by Kim Priestap
Published: October 5, 2008 - 11:51 AM

Who said that about Sarah Palin? Would you believe the president of LA's National Organization for Women, Shelly Mandel? Amazing! This is quite a moment for her to push back against the pressure from the feminist groups who see Sarah Palin as a traitor because she's a Republican and pro-life who actually lived her principles. Let's hope more mainstream, liberal feminists come out of their closets and support Sarah because, as Shelly said, Sarah supports women's rights, equal pay, Title 9, and the middle class. She has integrity and demands it from others. Take a look:

Shelly gave a wonderful endorsement. I'm thrilled to have her as a fellow Sarah Palin supporter. If other feminists and NOW presidents come out and trash Shelly, we need to stand behind her and give her a lot of support.

I was talking to my husband about this and told him that this is probably the reason why she went to California. The endorsement of the president of one of the largest chapters of NOW is huge, which explains why the MSM isn't reporting it.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Palin's associations with the independent Alaska peoples are just as 'dangerous'.

Did they start her on her political career? Do they live in the same neighborhood? Did they work on the same projects?

If so I might agree with you, since she didn't, it's just so much more obamabull.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Palin's associations with the independent Alaska peoples are just as 'dangerous'.

And OH BOY didn't we hear about 'em???? Funny...took about 2 years for the NYTimes to deem Obama's terrorist buddies relevant.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by dude1394

I read what Palin said and I pretty much agree with her, that Obama's associations and thoughts are dangerous to this country.

Dangerous in what way? Can you describe what you mean here?

The things that are presently dangerous to this country have to do with economics, and those issues aren't going to go away. What kind of dangerous stuff are you talking about?

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Dangerous in what way? Can you describe what you mean here?

The things that are presently dangerous to this country have to do with economics, and those issues aren't going to go away. What kind of dangerous stuff are you talking about?

Obama doesn't feel that this country is a force for good, it's a force for evil and has been doing evil throughout the world. We are ruining the environment, we are killing anyone and everyone for no reason, our greed and our culture is ruining the world. We need to change our culture and political structure to be more like europe, dependant on the guvment for more and more and more, doing what he thinks is best.

He believes in a moral relativism and a whatever feels good do it that is already causing a populace to be complacent whiners and prisoners to political correctness. He's a part of a media situation that is willing to do anything to get power and get their guys elected.

He's willing to use the power of the federal guvment to shut down dissent if it's pointed at himself. He promotes guvment directed income welfare redistribution to purchase more votes, which is exactly what his "tax" cuts are all about.

And one of the worst parts of him is that he will allow idiots like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to have more power over us. He'll nominate more judges who believe that if europe thinks it's good, or they think it's good, its should be a law, because in the end, what he feels is right, is right.

He's a very dangerous socialist dressed up in moderate clothing being shielded by his media cohorts.

[Kirobaito]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Did they start her on her political career? Do they live in the same neighborhood? Did they work on the same projects?

If so I might agree with you, since she didn't, it's just so much more obamabull.

Uh... they sleep in the same bed.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Kirobaito

Uh... they sleep in the same bed.

Todd Palin quotes please.

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by dude1394

I read what Palin said and I pretty much agree with her, that Obama's associations and thoughts are dangerous to this country. Obamas's supporters line up with the Michael Moore, Streisands of the world and even his own wifes views until they were outed.

I expect he doesn't think Ayers or Wright are nearly as out of the mainstream as Sean Hannity is.

This comment seems to sum up my feelings on Obama.

"associations and thoughts are dangerous"? that's so over the top it doesn't even need responding to.

as for the quoted article, the author fails to recognize that the people mentioned aren't advisors nor included in the obama campaign, and never have been.

obama has not endorsed ayer's actions. in fact he has spoken against those past actions in strong language. only those with an agenda choose to ignore the reality for the surreality they live in.

why did obama not "jettison [ayers] from his life"? because ayers was never IN his life, he was an acquaintance.

this is another attack that reveals a mccain campaign that is empty of legitimate issues to debate. it shows desperation.

[dude1394]

I haven't paid much attention to the "radical alaskan independence party". Let's take a look at their platform.

Sorta looks like something Ron Paul would support. Eek...what america haters they are.
http://www.akip.org/platform.html

Platform and Goal
of the
Alaskan Independence Party

Preamble

We affirm that all political power is inherent in the people; that all government originates with the people, is founded on their will only, is instituted to protect the rights of the individual; that all persons have a natural right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the enjoyment of the rewards of their own industry; that all persons are equal and entitled to equal protection under the law. We stand on a firm constitutional foundation.

Platform
We pledge to exert our best efforts to accomplish the following:

1. To effect full compliance with the constitutions of the United States of America and the State of Alaska.
2. To support and defend States' Rights, Individual Rights, Property Rights, and the Equal Footing Doctrine as guaranteed by the constitutions of the United States of America and the state of Alaska.
3. To advocate the convening of a State Constitutional Convention at the constitutionally designated 10 year interval.
4. To reinforce the unalienable rights endowed by our Creator to Alaska law, by eliminating the use of the word "privilege" in the Alaska statutes.
5. To amend the Constitution of the State of Alaska so as to re-establish the rights of all Alaskan residents to entry upon all public lands within the state, and to acquire private property interest there in, under fair and reasonable conditions. Such property interest shall include surface and sub-surface patent.
6. To foster a constitutional amendment abolishing and prohibiting all property taxes.
7. To seek the complete repatriation of the public lands, held by the federal government, to the state and people of Alaska in conformance with Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17, of the federal constitution.
8. To prohibit all bureaucratic regulations and judicial rulings purporting to have the effect of law, except that which shall be approved by the elected legislature.
9. To preserve and protect the Alaska Permanent Fund, Permanent fund earnings, earnings reserve fund and individual Permanent Fund Dividends.
10. To provide for the direct popular election of the attorney general, all judges, and magistrates.
11. To provide for the development of unrestricted, statewide, surface transportation and utility corridors as needed by the public or any individual.
12. To affirm and assert every possible right-of-way established under R.S. 2477 of July 26, 1866, before its repeal by the Federal Land Management Policy Act of October 21, 1976.
13. To support the right of the individual to keep and bear arms.
14. To support the complete abolition of the concept of sovereign or governmental immunity, so as to restore accountability for public servants.
15. To support the rights of parents to privately or home school their children.
16. To support the privatization of government services.
17. To oppose the borrowing of money by government for any purposes other than for capital improvements.
18. To strengthen the traditional family and support individual accountability without government interference or regulation.
19. To support the right of jurors to judge the law as well as the facts, according to their conscience.
20. To support "Jobs for Alaskans...First!"

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Obama doesn't feel that this country is a force for good, it's a force for evil and has been doing evil throughout the world. We are ruining the environment, we are killing anyone and everyone for no reason, our greed and our culture is ruining the world. We need to change our culture and political structure to be more like europe, dependant on the guvment for more and more and more, doing what he thinks is best.

He believes in a moral relativism and a whatever feels good do it that is already causing a populace to be complacent whiners and prisoners to political correctness. He's a part of a media situation that is willing to do anything to get power and get their guys elected.

He's willing to use the power of the federal guvment to shut down dissent if it's pointed at himself. He promotes guvment directed income welfare redistribution to purchase more votes, which is exactly what his "tax" cuts are all about.

And one of the worst parts of him is that he will allow idiots like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to have more power over us. He'll nominate more judges who believe that if europe thinks it's good, or they think it's good, its should be a law, because in the end, what he feels is right, is right.

He's a very dangerous socialist dressed up in moderate clothing being shielded by his media cohorts.

We are killing anyone and everyone for no reason?

We are a force for evil and have been doing evil throughout the world?

He's willing to use the power of the federal government to shut down dissent aimed at himself?

He wants to emulate "Europe"? What, did Europe just become a sovereign state?

I think you are miles removed from reality. Astronomical miles.

When did it happen that the Republican party became the home for people who either can't think or can't think for themselves?

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

We are killing anyone and everyone for no reason?

We are a force for evil and have been doing evil throughout the world?

He's willing to use the power of the federal government to shut down dissent aimed at himself?

He wants to emulate "Europe"? What, did Europe just become a sovereign state?

I think you are miles removed from reality. Astronomical miles.

When did it happen that the Republican party became the home for people who either can't think or can't think for themselves?

For someone who's chanting Obama-Obama-Obama...you are a funny one to talk about not thinking for yourself.

I KNOW you think I am miles removed from reality, but alas I am not.

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Obama doesn't feel that this country is a force for good, it's a force for evil and has been doing evil throughout the world. We are ruining the environment, we are killing anyone and everyone for no reason, our greed and our culture is ruining the world. We need to change our culture and political structure to be more like europe, dependant on the guvment for more and more and more, doing what he thinks is best.

He believes in a moral relativism and a whatever feels good do it that is already causing a populace to be complacent whiners and prisoners to political correctness. He's a part of a media situation that is willing to do anything to get power and get their guys elected.

He's willing to use the power of the federal guvment to shut down dissent if it's pointed at himself. He promotes guvment directed income welfare redistribution to purchase more votes, which is exactly what his "tax" cuts are all about.

And one of the worst parts of him is that he will allow idiots like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to have more power over us. He'll nominate more judges who believe that if europe thinks it's good, or they think it's good, its should be a law, because in the end, what he feels is right, is right.

He's a very dangerous socialist dressed up in moderate clothing being shielded by his media cohorts.

you know very, very little about what barack obama stands for, advocates and believes.

the above provides us with a true definition of what an "obamabot" is: a person who has a false understanding of who barack obama is, and recites learned negative misinformation about obama under the disquise of fact to portray obama as poorly as possible and someone he is not.

good job obamabot!

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by dude1394

For someone who's chanting Obama-Obama-Obama...you are a funny one to talk about not thinking for yourself.

I'm a Republican--or at least, a former Republican--who is supporting Obama over McCain. That takes a great deal more thought than it does to just keep pulling that same old lever.

[dude1394]

Funny....but not funny ha ha...Funny very sad.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive.../10/021704.php
Does the media even bother to check anything a democrat says anymore??

Yesterday I took a look at "Biden's boners" in the course of his debate with Sarah Palin this past Thursday. Today a Wall Street Journal editorial reviews Biden's performance in "Biden's fantasy world." The Journal asks: "[W]hat are we to make of Mr. Biden's fantastic debate voyage last week when he made factual claims that would have got Mrs. Palin mocked from New York to Los Angeles?" That is indeed a good question, particularly when one pauses to remember that Obama selected Biden as his running mate for his supposed foreign policy expertise. The Journal begins with Biden's bizarre comments on Lebanon, where Biden asserted "When we kicked -- along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, 'Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don't know -- if you don't, Hezbollah will control it.' Now what's happened? Hezbollah is a legitimate part of the government in the country immediately to the north of Israel." The Journal comments;

The editorial concludes with Biden's reference to Katie's Restaurant in Wilmington and a comparison of Biden and Palin's comments on foreign policy:

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Palin's associations with the independent Alaska peoples are just as 'dangerous'.

http://www.pajamasmedia.com/instapun...es2/025380.php

TRYING TO CONFLATE THE ALASKA INDEPENDENCE PARTY WITH BILL AYERS? "Is there a difference between forming a political party that wants to use the ballot to achieve its goals and forming a terrorist organization that prefers to use bombs? At Dallas-Mavs.com Political Areana the answer appears to be 'no'." Hey, whatever it takes to enable a crucial, cover-providing tu quoque.

Sad but a little scary...and probably true...

If (or when?) the AP, CNN, Dallas-Mavs.com Political Arena, NY Times et al start following the TPM lead and publish moral equivalence stories conflating these folks with terrorist groups, third-party (or independent) voters should become very worried about their future.

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Funny....but not funny ha ha...Funny very sad.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive.../10/021704.php
Does the media even bother to check anything a democrat says anymore??

sure, there are factcheck sites out the wazoo. they check out both sides.

there's one that fact checks the assertion made above about general "mcclellan", ugh, mckiernan (oops, had a palin moment). guess what? biden was right.

The new top U.S. commander in Afghanistan said yesterday that more American troops are urgently required to combat a worsening insurgency, but he stated emphatically that no Iraq-style "surge" of forces will end the conflict there.

"Afghanistan is not Iraq," said Gen. David D. McKiernan, who led ground forces during the 2003 Iraq invasion and took over four months ago as head of the NATO-led coalition in Afghanistan.

Speaking in Washington yesterday, McKiernan described Afghanistan as "a far more complex environment than I ever found in Iraq." The country's mountainous terrain, rural population, poverty, illiteracy, 400 major tribal networks and history of civil war all make for unique challenges, he said.

"The word I don't use for Afghanistan is 'surge,' " McKiernan stressed, saying that what is required is a "sustained commitment" to a counterinsurgency effort that could last many years and would ultimately require a political, not military, solution.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...hpid=sec-world

[Mavdog]

here's the information on how the us and france were at the forefront of getting syria out of lebanon. yes, biden misspoke by saying that the us and france "got hezbollah out of lebanon".

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1559 was a resolution adopted by the United Nations Security Council on September 2, 2004[1]. It called upon Lebanon to establish its sovereignty over all of its land and called upon "foreign forces" (generally interpreted as referring but not limited to Syria) to withdraw from Lebanon and to cease intervening in the internal politics of Lebanon. The resolution also called on all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias to disband and declared support for a "free and fair electoral process".

Nine countries voted in favor: Angola, Benin, Chile, France, Germany, Romania, Spain, the United Kingdom, and the United States. Six countries abstained: Algeria, Brazil, the People's Republic of China, Pakistan, the Philippines and Russia.

The resolution was sponsored by France and the United States. The cooperation between these two nations on an issue concerning the Middle East was seen as a significant improvement in their relationship, compared to their earlier bitter disagreement over the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Because Lebanon was governed by France as a League of Nations mandate 1919-1943, France has long taken a special interest in Lebanon.

any bets on if palin knows where lebanon is? the odds are set at 3:1 the answer is no.

[chumdawg]

A report out tonight that the McCain campaign has spent $150K to gussy up Sarah Palin in the last couple months.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.html

If $400 haircuts do some damage, you can only imagine how 150 grand will go over.

[rabbitproof]

Um, like half of a Cindy McCain dress.

Anyways, news reports of Sarah Palin using Alaska to pay to get her kids around. So much for selling the jet on ebay...

So, there's a movement to ignore Sarah Palin until she gives a presser and I'm going to try to join that today.

[MissNU]

Palin is purely, simply, retardedly, soccorish....

[Flacolaco]

Originally Posted by MissNU

Palin is purely, simply, retardedly, soccorish....

"soccorish"

A google search returns only 3 entries, 2 of them on "MySpace".

[kg_veteran]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

A report out tonight that the McCain campaign has spent $150K to gussy up Sarah Palin in the last couple months.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.html

If $400 haircuts do some damage, you can only imagine how 150 grand will go over.

Amazing. The press can find shopping bills, but not Obama's medical records and birth certificate. They can obtain the county tax records and licensing information regarding a plumber in Ohio, but not Obama's records from Columbia.

And on and on...

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by kg_veteran

Amazing. The press can find shopping bills, but not Obama's medical records and birth certificate. They can obtain the county tax records and licensing information regarding a plumber in Ohio, but not Obama's records from Columbia.

And on and on...

as you know, those items (tax records and licenses) are already public info, easy to get by just about anyone.

not too hard to find obama's birth certificate, here's one place

or his medical situation
here's a news story about obama's medical history

as for columbia college, what information would be relevant? do you want to know what courses he took? his professors? we know he matriculated, that's about all that is important.

isn't it?

[Silk Smoov]

Well, looks like KG's question was answered, now back to Palin. And how do you all feel about the wasteful spending on Palin to look good on television to draw more man voters? Well, since they did not use earmarks it is something that McCain can support. LMAO

[u2sarajevo]

Originally Posted by Silk Smoov

Well, looks like KG's question was answered, now back to Palin. And how do you all feel about the wasteful spending on Palin to look good on television to draw more man voters? Well, since they did not use earmarks it is something that McCain can support. LMAO

Was it racist for them to spend money on her?

[Silk Smoov]

Originally Posted by Flacolaco

"soccorish"

A google search returns only 3 entries, 2 of them on "MySpace".

That has to be a mistake, because "Soccorish" is a word that Palin would use on a daily basis. We need to check yahoo and msn on this, because surely the internet has not missed the Palin quotes and stories about her days as a soccorish parent or governor. Or maybe even her soccorish days back at one of the many colleges she attended. Those had to be some soccorish days back then. You know, the good ole days.

[Silk Smoov]

Originally Posted by u2sarajevo

Was it racist for them to spend money on her?

Good try You almost had me with your race baiting. Keep up the good work, you are doing a great job of separating yourself from the race issues

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by Silk Smoov

Well, looks like KG's question was answered, now back to Palin. And how do you all feel about the wasteful spending on Palin to look good on television to draw more man voters? Well, since they did not use earmarks it is something that McCain can support. LMAO

who cares what money they spent on palin? it's not "wasteful", she should look as good as she can.

I'm confident that obama and biden are not shopping at goodwill for their suits...