2020 NBA Draft

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

I honestly don’t think the Mavs will use both picks.
This is a deep roster so I think they’ll leverage this draft to attempt to upgrade the quality of our rotation either directly or indirectly via trades.

Unless there is someone on the board they feel can quickly break into the rotation and become an instant impact, I think they aggressively shop one or both picks for a proven or budding starter quality player.

I will predict that if the Mavs do pick at 31, and Poku is still available, he is their guy. He is the the ultimate Donnie type of pick and his skills and upside are a Carlisle dream.

And i think they are going to use both of them, trying to hit another Brunson type with #31. Because remember the 2021 and 2023 1st round picks are gone, means they are going to have just three useful draft picks until 2024. And having usefull player on rookie salaries is pretty important these days.

And i also dont see how this roster cant handle two rookies...

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by sefant77

And i think they are going to use both of them, trying to hit another Brunson type with #31. Because remember the 2021 and 2023 1st round picks are gone, means they are going to have just three useful draft picks until 2024. And having usefull player on rookie salaries is pretty important these days.

And i also dont see how this roster cant handle two rookies...

I hope so. Think about how quickly a JAG like Landry Shamet gained so much trade value. I think there are a few Shamet types bound to be available around 31. Guys that are maybe average athletes but decent shooters and defenders and can kind of handle the rock. Good off the bench for 15-20 per night and can start in a pinch.

I just hope they take BPA at either spot. Even if BPA is a PG.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by sefant77

And i think they are going to use both of them, trying to hit another Brunson type with #31. Because remember the 2021 and 2023 1st round picks are gone, means they are going to have just three useful draft picks until 2024. And having usefull player on rookie salaries is pretty important these days.

And i also dont see how this roster cant handle two rookies...

Unless they see someone who can step in and immediately make an impact, I just don’t see them using both picks. Our roster is full of average role players, and although I agree there is room for 2 rookies, I’d be surprised if the Mavs FO sees it that way.

I could be wrong, but I see the Mavs in a similar situation with Luka as they were with Dirk in terms of using their draft picks as trade pieces to build a supporting cast. That is pretty evident to me by already using that strategy to acquire KP and I don’t see it changing going forward considering we’ll most likely be picking in the 20s in the drafts you mention.

Yeah, if a guy like S Bey or Vassell slips to us, or we can trade up using both picks to get one of them (or someone they really like), then I can see them using the pick. But that isn’t likely to happen imo.

I could see them trading #18 (maybe our best trade piece right now) in some type of package for a proven wing that will fit our rotation and cap situation and use 31 for a player to develop an intriguing player like Poku if he is still available.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by mac222b

I hope so. Think about how quickly a JAG like Landry Shamet gained so much trade value. I think there are a few Shamet types bound to be available around 31. Guys that are maybe average athletes but decent shooters and defenders and can kind of handle the rock. Good off the bench for 15-20 per night and can start in a pinch.

I just hope they take BPA at either spot. Even if BPA is a PG.

When average athletes do above average things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbqMVwTS0LQ

[EricaLubarsky]

Something to think about is roster size.

Guaranteed deals
1) KP
2) Powell
3) Wright
4) Kleber
5) Doncic
6) Curry
7) DFS
8) Boban
9) Jackson
10) Brunson

Guaranteed deals if players opt in
11) THJ
12) WCS

Expiring deals we may want to renew
13) Burke
14) MKG

If both THJ and WCS opt-in and we re-sign both Burke and MKG, then we only have room for one. I could see us letting MKG walk and I can see WCS opting out, but if not, I could also see us

1) draft an older player ready to make an impact like S. Bey (21) and then

2) a project with the second (Pokuševski if he's still there) or else trade the pick for some future second rounders

[BPo001]

I’m starting to think WCS opts in. He’s been putting in work on his game, and it sounds like Carlisle is a huge reason why.

https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/new...-with-the-work

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Something to think about is roster size.

Guaranteed deals
1) KP
2) Powell
3) Wright
4) Kleber
5) Doncic
6) Curry
7) DFS
8) Boban
9) Jackson
10) Brunson

Guaranteed deals if players opt in
11) THJ
12) WCS

Expiring deals we may want to renew
13) Burke
14) MKG

If both THJ and WCS opt-in and we re-sign both Burke and MKG, then we only have room for one. I could see us letting MKG walk and I can see WCS opting out, but if not, I could also see us

1) draft an older player ready to make an impact like S. Bey (21) and then

2) a project with the second (Pokuševski if he's still there) or else trade the pick for some future second rounders

Pretty much the way I see it but I think the Mavs will aggressively shop that #18 pick in some type of package deal for a decent wing.
I personally think MKG is gone and the Mavs will address a backup for DFS or a starting replacement.

Poku is the perfect high reward/low risk pick at #31 but would be too risky to take at #18 imo.
However I don't see any way he gets past all 3 of the 1st round picks for Boston. If Poku is gone I think Paul Reed would be a decent player to take at #31 to develop as a potential Maxi/Powell replacement down the road.

[sefant77]

And i think Jackson is Just an expiring contract, nothing more. Wouldnt be surprised if he gets waived because the Mavs wanna pick up another free agent or undrafted rookie

[KillerLeft]

Originally Posted by BPo001

I’m starting to think WCS opts in. He’s been putting in work on his game, and it sounds like Carlisle is a huge reason why.

https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/new...-with-the-work

Been saying this for weeks. He will definitely opt in. The only way he could do better is to get someone’s BAE, which isn’t happening.

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by sefant77

And i think Jackson is Just an expiring contract, nothing more. Wouldnt be surprised if he gets waived because the Mavs wanna pick up another free agent or undrafted rookie

Yeah at this point we'd probably have to throw something else in just to salary dump him. I don't think he has value even as a reclamation project.

[EricaLubarsky]

32 days

[EricaLubarsky]

From most historically accurate to least

Draftexpress/ESPN - S. Bey/ Azubuike
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...s-latest-intel

Bleacher report - Bolmero / N/A
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...nd-predictions

Ringer - S. Bey/ Maledon
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

USA Today - Hampton/
https://www.usatoday.com/picture-gal...nd/5280504002/

SBNation - Nesmith/ NA
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2020/8/...warriors-bulls

Sports Illustrated - Hampton/ T.Bey
https://www.si.com/nba/2020/08/21/nb...es-win-lottery

Nbadraft.net - Terry/ Stewart
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

CBS Sports (Boone) - Bane / NA
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

CBS Sports (Parrish) - Maxey / NA
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/draft/mock-draft/

Yahoo Sports - Green
https://sports.yahoo.com/2020-nba-mo...132728170.html

NBCSports - Maledon/ N/A
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington...ombine-edition

NBADraftroom.com - Nesmith/McDaniels
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2020-nba-mock-draft/

Yardbarker.com - Terry
https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/artic...02996#slide_18

Lineups.com - Vassell
https://www.lineups.com/articles/nba...ft-guide-2020/

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

From most historically accurate to least

Draftexpress/ESPN - S. Bey/ Azubuike
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...s-latest-intel

Bleacher report - Bolmero / N/A
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...nd-predictions

Ringer - S. Bey/ Maledon
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

USA Today - Hampton/
https://www.usatoday.com/picture-gal...nd/5280504002/

SBNation - Nesmith/ NA
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2020/8/...warriors-bulls

Sports Illustrated - Hampton/ T.Bey
https://www.si.com/nba/2020/08/21/nb...es-win-lottery

Nbadraft.net - Terry/ Stewart
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

CBS Sports (Boone) - Bane / NA
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

CBS Sports (Parrish) - Maxey / NA
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/draft/mock-draft/

Yahoo Sports - Green
https://sports.yahoo.com/2020-nba-mo...132728170.html

NBCSports - Maledon/ N/A
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington...ombine-edition

NBADraftroom.com - Nesmith/McDaniels
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2020-nba-mock-draft/

Yardbarker.com - Terry
https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/artic...02996#slide_18

Lineups.com - Vassell
https://www.lineups.com/articles/nba...ft-guide-2020/

Vassell would be a no brained but he isn’t getting out of top 10 let alone #18.

Nesmith or Bey would be great but don’t see them making it to #18 either.

Not much interest in any of the others.

Bey/Azibuike would be some nice additions but I don’t see anything that Azibuike would bring that Boban and WCS doesn’t.

[tap2390]

NBC Sports
#18: Jalen Smith

CBS Sports
#18: Desmond Bane

Tankathon
#18: Tyrese Maxey
#31: Jaden McDaniels

NBA Draft Room
#18: Aaron Nesmith
#31: Tyler Bey

The Ringer
#18: Josh Green

Bleacher Report
#18: Josh Green

NBADraft.net
#18: Cole Anthony
#31: Isaiah Stewart

The Athletic
#18: Aleksej Pokusevski
#31: Tyrell Terry

[Scoobay]

Originally Posted by tap2390

NBC Sports
#18: Jalen Smith

CBS Sports
#18: Desmond Bane

Tankathon
#18: Tyrese Maxey
#31: Jaden McDaniels

NBA Draft Room
#18: Aaron Nesmith
#31: Tyler Bey

The Ringer
#18: Josh Green

Bleacher Report
#18: Josh Green

NBADraft.net
#18: Cole Anthony
#31: Isaiah Stewart

The Athletic
#18: Aleksej Pokusevski
#31: Tyrell Terry

i'd love the nba draft room mock but i think it's the least likely.
athletic mock is enticing too though again not likely

[EricaLubarsky]

More I look at the Ringers', the more I think they could be accurate

Lots of youth near the top. All 18-19-20 years old

Saddiq at 21 falls to us because he kind of already is what he is while people are still trying to figure out what Vassell and Hayes can be.

This is a draft where if you want the superstar, you have to go for the young kid with promise rather than an older player who will at best be a strong starter (like Bey). Its the same thing that happened with Josh Howard before his inevitable unraveling-- in a less than the stellar draft, teams treat the first round like the second and shoot for the youngest, highest-ceiling guys while solid players who are older drop.

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

More I look at the Ringers', the more I think they could be accurate

Lots of youth near the top. All 18-19-20 years old

Saddiq at 21 falls to us because he kind of already is what he is while people are still trying to figure out what Vassell and Hayes can be.

This is a draft where if you want the superstar, you have to go for the young kid with promise rather than an older player who will at best be a strong starter (like Bey). Its the same thing that happened with Josh Howard before his inevitable unraveling-- in a less than the stellar draft, teams treat the first round like the second and shoot for the youngest, highest-ceiling guys while solid players who are older drop.

In the Ringer's mock Saddiq goes #16 to the Blazers. We get Josh Green at #18 with Bane, Lewis, Anthony, and Maxey on the board.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by tap2390

In the Ringer's mock Saddiq goes #16 to the Blazers. We get Josh Green at #18 with Bane, Lewis, Anthony, and Maxey on the board.

It changes every single day, though, and half the time we get Bey.

The point is the same-- the top 15 picks are really dominated with really young players and that tends to be how the NBA works. Young prospects over more mature vets.

[KillerLeft]

I think I'm out on Green. He's my least favorite of all the wings who get discussed for the Mavericks. He just looks small to me, especially relative to his style of play. I even question the accuracy of his listed wingspan, tbh.

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by KillerLeft

I think I'm out on Green. He's my least favorite of all the wings who get discussed for the Mavericks. He just looks small to me, especially relative to his style of play. I even question the accuracy of his listed wingspan, tbh.

I disagree. He reminds me of Justin Anderson with way more upside. 36% from 3 and 78% from the free throw line bode well for his future, and are numbers that Anderson didn't hit until his junior year. That being said I do think there are 18 better prospects than him.

[KillerLeft]

Originally Posted by tap2390

I disagree. He reminds me of Justin Anderson with way more upside. 36% from 3 and 78% from the free throw line bode well for his future, and are numbers that Anderson didn't hit until his junior year. That being said I do think there are 18 better prospects than him.

I thought about Anderson, too, but Green just looks so much smaller to me. He looks too small for the college game, tbh, and my guess is that at the next level he's ONLY going to be a shooter on offense. I actually think Justin Jackson is a pretty good comp, only Jackson is bigger, too.

Green might end up being better than either of them, but I don't believe in it enough to feel like I should pick him instead of trading the pick in a package for someone I KNOW can play in an important NBA game.

I just like all the other first round defensive wing types better.

[EricaLubarsky]

Green is solid, but I don't take him before 31.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by KillerLeft

I thought about Anderson, too, but Green just looks so much smaller to me. He looks too small for the college game, tbh, and my guess is that at the next level he's ONLY going to be a shooter on offense. I actually think Justin Jackson is a pretty good comp, only Jackson is bigger, too.

Green might end up being better than either of them, but I don't believe in it enough to feel like I should pick him instead of trading the pick in a package for someone I KNOW can play in an important NBA game.

I just like all the other first round defensive wing types better.

Green is a much better athlete than Justin Jackson and better defender. He’s an NBA level athlete and body. I wouldn’t dislike him at 18. I agree with tap there are likely guys available I like better, but I think he is potentially a good 3-D guy with a fixable shot(he has a funky release hitch) And also as Killer Left pointed out he’s ahead of Justin Anderson on the timeline as he’s still very young(19 turning 20) and though inconsistent was a valuable contributor as a freshman.

[mac222b]

I’d comp Green as Royce O’Neal only better athlete with more upside. Both are around 6’5 with 6’10 wingspan, solid bodies. Green is listed as 6-6 210 and has a good frame to put on more muscle. Not a lot of ball handling/ creation for others, though Green has at least some upside to be that. Much better pedigree. I mean we are discussing Desmond Bane around here and he took until what his senior season to become a reliable p’n’r guy? Not sure Green will ever be that but he could eventually have some off the bounce game.

[KillerLeft]

That's what people keep saying about Green, but I'm sorry, I just disagree. I recently watched a "deep dive" scouting video on him from another board which was essentially hours of game film with no commentary, and I couldn't believe how unimpressed with his athletic ability I was afterwards. Looottttts of examples of him dribbling into the paint and getting punk'd. He won't be able to even try that at the NBA level.

You can talk me into the idea that his shooting is on track, but we all agree that there's one more step of development needed there. Still, a check in the pros column for shooting. So it's 3&D, then?

Only, he's REALLY small and slight (just like Jackson). Dude will never be a match for guys like Kawhi, George, Lebron. They're all too big for him, tbh. I just don't see it, personally.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by KillerLeft

That's what people keep saying about Green, but I'm sorry, I just disagree. I recently watched a "deep dive" scouting video on him from another board which was essentially hours of game film with no commentary, and I couldn't believe how unimpressed with his athletic ability I was afterwards. Looottttts of examples of him dribbling into the paint and getting punk'd. He won't be able to even try that at the NBA level.

You can talk me into the idea that his shooting is on track, but we all agree that there's one more step of development needed there. Still, a check in the pros column for shooting. So it's 3&D, then?

Only, he's REALLY small and slight (just like Jackson). Dude will never be a match for guys like Kawhi, George, Lebron. They're all too big for him, tbh. I just don't see it, personally.

He’s listed at 6-6 210 though. I wouldn’t call that slight. He just needs 10lbs of muscle, which in a couple years shouldn’t be any problem. Royce O’Neal was listed as 6-6 215 coming out as an older guy than Green. He’s listed as 6-4 227 now.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by tap2390

In the Ringer's mock Saddiq goes #16 to the Blazers. We get Josh Green at #18 with Bane, Lewis, Anthony, and Maxey on the board.

I'd be quite annoyed I'd this happened. I'd prefer All of those guys over Green.

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I'd be quite annoyed I'd this happened. I'd prefer All of those guys over Green.

Same.

[EricaLubarsky]

Both ESPN and the Ringer have us with Bey again

[mac222b]

I think I would go Lewis, Maxey, Green, and toss up between Bane and Anthony. Anthony has some pretty serious size limitations and is only and ok athlete. At least Bane is a knockdown shooter— but with his own issues. Will he be able to get a off against NBA players with low release point and who does he guard? I like that he’s a hard worker and would know his role. Anthony I would worry thinks he’s some sort of star.

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Both ESPN and the Ringer have us with Bey again

I think you may be looking at the ringer’s big board. Their mock draft is a different link up top.

[tap2390]

For those of you interested in scouting reports for the draft eligible players I highly recommend HoopIntellect’s YouTube page:

https://www.youtube.com/c/HoopIntellect

The guy offers professional-level 10-15 minute scouting reports on all the major players with film. Truly phenomenal work.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by mac222b

I think I would go Lewis, Maxey, Green, and toss up between Bane and Anthony. Anthony has some pretty serious size limitations and is only and ok athlete. At least Bane is a knockdown shooter— but with his own issues. Will he be able to get a off against NBA players with low release point and who does he guard? I like that he’s a hard worker and would know his role. Anthony I would worry thinks he’s some sort of star.

Bane has shorter arms, but that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with his stroke. His release point isn't really low relative to his body type. JJB for example has been getting his shots off successfully for many years and there is a long list of others, who are shorter than Bane that have as well. I'd have zero concerns of this and the same for his defense. The 2 things you mentioned is what I would say he does best. I think he would guard anyone 1-3. Especially guards we don't want Luka on.

The questions I have with drafting a PG:

What about Burke? We can't let him slip away if we can reasonably keep him.

Can they operate off ball with Luka on the floor?

Can they shoot at a high clip, AND defend?

[tap2390]

I've been thinking about Bane a lot (and not just because I have a man crush on Tom Hardy).

This draft is really interesting because you just know some of the guys who go 11-20 are going to blossom and become stars and some are going to dud. Meanwhile there's another group of safer picks but with significantly less upside.



11) Patrick Williams --> huge upside but will he be quick enough to guard on the perimeter?

12) Precious Achiuwa --> huge upside but will he develop a consistent jumper?

13) Saddiq Bey --> low upside but almost guaranteed key role player

14) Desmond Bane --> low upside as he's already 22 but showcased an all-around game including potential as a secondary ballhandler... potentially elite shooter off-ball

15) Aaron Nesmith --> almost definitely an elite off-ball shooter but can't handle the rock as well as Bane and has durability concerns

16) Josh Green --> high upside as a 3-and-D player but will he ever be more?

17) Kira Lewis --> high upside as a speedy lead guard but will he develop a shot?

18) Tyrese Maxey --> high upside as an undersized 2 but will he shoot better in the league?

19) Cole Anthony --> high upside as a shot creator but will he just be a sixth man?

20) Tyrell Terry --> high upside as a shooting point but will he ever defend more than one position?

21) RJ Hampton --> high upside but is he all athleticism?

22) Jalen Smith --> high upside but will he be able to defend the pick and roll?

23) Tyler Bey --> low upside but almost definitely a high energy defender and rebounder



I think Bane might be the best of the 'low upside' group because of the potential he shows as a pick and roll facilitator and off-ball shooter. If we feel he can consistently guard 1s we should take a strong look at him. Ultimately if will depend on how well the Mavs feel they can project one of the high upside players still available at 18 (I think we may have our pick of Anthony, Terry, and Maxey).

If we take Bane at #18, with our #31 pick we can focus on getting the highest upside player (unless someone like Tyler Bey falls).

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Bane has shorter arms, but that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with his stroke. His release point isn't really low relative to his body type. JJB for example has been getting his shots off successfully for many years and there is a long list of others, who are shorter than Bane that have as well. I'd have zero concerns of this and the same for his defense. The 2 things you mentioned is what I would say he does best. I think he would guard anyone 1-3. Especially guards we don't want Luka on.

The questions I have with drafting a PG:

What about Burke? We can't let him slip away if we can reasonably keep him.

Can they operate off ball with Luka on the floor?

Can they shoot at a high clip, AND defend?

He cocks his shot. JJB has a shot put sort of stroke. I like Bane’s body control on drives, saw some nice finishes going glass on drives ala Ginobli. It’s highlights so not sure what % he’s making on those as we are seeing mostly or all makes. Likely wouldn’t have looks as clean against NBA defenders. I like him but he’s not fluid athlete like Maxey or Lewis. Has any used the Desmond Mason comp? He has a similar build. That’s who he reminds me most of only maybe a little less athletic or fluid.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by mac222b

He cocks his shot. JJB has a shot put sort of stroke. I like Bane’s body control on drives, saw some nice finishes going glass on drives ala Ginobli. It’s highlights so not sure what % he’s making on those as we are seeing mostly or all makes. Likely wouldn’t have looks as clean against NBA defenders. I like him but he’s not fluid athlete like Maxey or Lewis. Has any used the Desmond Mason comp? He has a similar build. That’s who he reminds me most of only maybe a little less athletic or fluid.

https://youtu.be/QTPE2POgibE

That stroke looks clean to me. Very consistent release. I don't think he will have any issues.

As far as athleticism goes, he's just not a shifty little guard like Maxey or Lewis. He's bulkier, like 20 lbs of muscle bulkier but he CAN get up when he wants to. I've seen him posterize defenders especially catching lobs.

I don't think he is as agile as Desmond Mason was but he's by far a better shooter and defender. He is relentless off the ball too, reminds me a lot of Ray Allen.

Admittedly I'm biased because TCU and I got to watch all the games. Surprising to see how much he shot up the draft boards but after watching many other projected 14-25 picks, I don't see any guarantees, including him but imo he does fit our needs. 2 way player that's a knockdown shooter is definitely one of them.

[EricaLubarsky]

26 days

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

https://youtu.be/QTPE2POgibE

That stroke looks clean to me. Very consistent release. I don't think he will have any issues.

As far as athleticism goes, he's just not a shifty little guard like Maxey or Lewis. He's bulkier, like 20 lbs of muscle bulkier but he CAN get up when he wants to. I've seen him posterize defenders especially catching lobs.

I don't think he is as agile as Desmond Mason was but he's by far a better shooter and defender. He is relentless off the ball too, reminds me a lot of Ray Allen.

Admittedly I'm biased because TCU and I got to watch all the games. Surprising to see how much he shot up the draft boards but after watching many other projected 14-25 picks, I don't see any guarantees, including him but imo he does fit our needs. 2 way player that's a knockdown shooter is definitely one of them.

I like Bane, not trying to run him down. Just think there are legit questions about who and how well he’ll guard and his length. I think they are working out the kinks in his shot; in the video you shared you can see him dip down sometimes more than others, sometimes not at all. In the other highlights I’ve seen he almost cocks it before he lifts to shoot.

If given a choice I think I would take Kira, Precious, Saddiq, Hampton, Nesmith and Terry ahead of him. Maybe Maxey and Jalen Smith. He’s in the tier with Tyler Bey, Tre Jones, Josh Green, Cole Anthony, Quickley.

[rimrocker]

I've went completely cold on Green...has Anderson, Ager, D. Jones, Cunningham written all over him.
I'd easily take Aleksej Pokusevski (who I still think will eventually be the best player outside of the lotto) over Green in a heartbeat.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Can't believe all these mocks with us taking Green now. NO way I take him over Bane or pretty much anyone else besides Pokusevski.