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aquaadverse · 08-22-2009, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GermanDunk

I still don´t know why public healthcare is evil. It´s the best thing ever invented !

Really? I thought a ribbed condom worn inside out took that prize. Does that make me selfish?

Our health care is public. It's just the payment that's private.

We aren't setup for it. In any way. All our stabs at a great society type programs have been big failures, including our retirement program for pensioners. Social Security is taken out of everyones paychecks and for decades the number of workers to pensioners left substantial surplus. Back in the 1960's our President borrowed some of it to pay for the Vietnam war. Then it was used for general government spending.

That has continued right up to the present. The largest generation in the history of our country were the children born after WWII. The requirements this generation was going to need for retirement didn't require long involved crunching of figures. You needed x number of people working to support x number of retirees with x amount as a tax.

It is also used to pay for people who have been paying into the program that become disabled or die and leave wife and child without income.

Now we have reached the time when that big lump of people are retiring. It's been known for decades the previous looting had left the fund unable to meet the obligation of this huge group entering retirement.

Every year for 40 years the studies came out pointing out this looming crisis and projecting how much more expensive it was going to be if the government kept refusing to deal with it. Every single person here since the 1970's was aware of it. If a private company had done this, they would be in prison. If you're curious, this is a pretty good summation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_..._United_States

Despite all of this history and example after example of just how inefficient trying to get 400 people in Congress to agree about anything, the last 40 years of refusing to fix this particular issue, people still believe in magic.

All the people that get elected to the top political offices in the US care more about getting reelected and gaining more influence and power. Part of that requires grabbing as much money as possible to be used in the section of the country they represent.

For 25 years those same people were exempt from that retirement fund. The decisions they were making had no impact on their own lives. Good or bad. All they had to worry about was getting reelected. They have also exempted themselves from the plan they are trying to force on the rest of us. They vote as a group, and only a few are individually identified and are known to the whole country. The rest sink into the herd.

While great effort has been put out to make the rejection of the current solution = not wanting to make any changes, it isn't true. You hear constant squalling from people favoring the plan that it's because of misinformation and incorrect facts.

The US has a division of government, The Congressional Budget office, that has been used for years as an impartial, nonpolitical resource staffed by experts who analyze the financial impact of legislation. The conclusion they have on this solution is it will not save money, but actually increase the cost of health care. There are people who believe this proposal is going to cover everyone in the country, another fantasy. Those people believe the reason you can object to the plan is if the big private insurance are paying you or you hate having a black President so much you will destroy anything he tries to do.There are many alternatives that have been discussed for years, they are easily found. It simply isn't true there are no other proposals.

The biggest pile of fairy dust is despite all the evidence, the long and multiple examples of State health care like the insolvent Medicare and Medicaid with up to a 30 year record to examine, they will magically reform and become efficient by simply handing you a coverage card. There are zero examples of this.