2019 Mavs Free Agency - Page 49 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Bryan_Wilson · 06-28-2019, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

Porter will likely never play a game in the NBA, he had another set back a month or so ago

Locked on Denver podcast said he's playing in Summer League next week.

Five-ofan · 06-28-2019, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Locked on Denver podcast said he's playing in Summer League next week.

I'll believe it when I see it

SMC0007 · 06-28-2019, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

I can. I hope he tears his ACL between now and the 1st

Yea not hating on Lebronze because colluders gone collude is weak. F him, F the Lakers always and F anyone who would go there and bend the knee. Idc if he tears his acl or not tho.. I'm not worried about them. One of the 2 stars will be injured when it matters most

endtroducing MASKED · 06-28-2019, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CanadianMavsFan

He's one of the worst defenders starting at point guard in the league. He's an inefficient volume scorer on a perennial lottery team. I'd call him a glorified Mike James, but James was a much more efficient threat on the outside.

Kemba would have destroyed the chemistry on the Mavericks and he would have been extremely damaging to Luka's development. Whiffing on him is a godsend. He'll stink it up in Boston.

“Glorified Mike James” is truly one of the worst takes in history, congratulations

MFFL · 06-28-2019, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

Porter will likely never play a game in the NBA, he had another set back a month or so ago

Denver Post a week ago

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/06/2...enver-nuggets/

Skywalker · 06-28-2019, 08:28 AM

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/6...taps-porzingis

Ringer article about Mavs free agency. Tldr: Brogdon should be top priority

MFFL · 06-28-2019, 08:48 AM

Fish is promoting a three way sign and trade deal now. So sad

saclare · 06-28-2019, 10:51 AM

Look guys, just because Kemba is rumored to likely be headed to Boston doesn't mean we have to start resorting to calling him a quasi-star, glorified Mike James, and start shitting on him. Hell, a week ago most were giddy about his potential addition.

He's a damn good player, an all-star even, let's not act like adding him wouldn't excite the fanbase and make this team damn good. Yes, he has flaws to his game like almost every non-SUPER star a la Kawhi, etc.

Every FA available is going to have a wait and see feel to the fit. I love the conversation and points bringing up the pros and cons, but the drastic Kemba isn't a star and is basically a better Mike James...come on...

Underdog · 06-28-2019, 10:56 AM

Bib’s Corner: Mavs Free Agency Outlook
https://bibscorner.com/2019/06/28/ma...mpression=true

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I sat down and looked at the list of every single NBA Free Agent. Here are my feelings on 55 of them and the chances they end up becoming Dallas Mavericks.

Underdog · 06-28-2019, 11:08 AM

What’s the Best Way to Build Around Luka Doncic?
https://www.theringer.com/platform/a...mpression=true

saclare · 06-28-2019, 11:54 AM

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What’s the Best Way to Build Around Luka Doncic?
https://www.theringer.com/platform/a...mpression=true

I liked this one better.

I think I've settled firmly into camp Brogdon. What will it take for Milwaukee to not match? I think whatever it is, it is worth the price to pay. I think he's a budding talent and would grow well within a young 3 stud core.

Next on my list would be Harris. His comments on a 3rd star with historically high usage, a la Kemba (albeit on shitty teams), it would be tough.

After that, I'd be on to the next tier of Beverley, Dedmon, Bogdanovic, etc.

JJP · 06-28-2019, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by saclare

I liked this one better.

I think I've settled firmly into camp Brogdon. What will it take for Milwaukee to not match? I think whatever it is, it is worth the price to pay. I think he's a budding talent and would grow well within a young 3 stud core.

Next on my list would be Harris. His comments on a 3rd star with historically high usage, a la Kemba (albeit on shitty teams), it would be tough.

After that, I'd be on to the next tier of Beverley, Dedmon, Bogdanovic, etc.

Most of the reports I have seen so far say Brogdon will likely get at least 20 mil a year because the market for him is hot (and Milwaukee really wants him back bad).

The problem is no one is actually sure what Milwaukee's number is where they just won't match it. They have said they would be willing to go over the cap... but how much?

Male30Dan · 06-28-2019, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP

Most of the reports I have seen so far say Brogdon will likely get at least 20 mil a year because the market for him is hot (and Milwaukee really wants him back bad).

The problem is no one is actually sure what Milwaukee's number is where they just won't match it. They have said they would be willing to go over the cap... but how much?

What is Brogdon's max? Is it 4/109 given the max for guys under 6 years is 25% of the cap and the cap is 109 (so 27+/yr). If so, that seems VERY high... Would anyone be willing to pay that (or whatever it is if my numbers are wrong) to take no chance that Milwaukee matches or, at least if they do, that we did everything we could to pull him away? If so, going back to the question I asked yesterday, where would we be with our salary cap (assuming we stretch Lee)? Would that leave anything for C or would we be stuck starting KP alongside Powell? There would still be the possibility of SnT scenarios for bigs (with Powell and/or Brunson+), but not sure there's a great fit there.

Even if ALL we do during free agency is pull Brogdon away, when you consider where our roster was before last year's draft, that's still an amazing win to build off of (of course I'm not sure there's a lot of additional building if we're paying KP/Brogdon max or near max dollars, and we won't have a lot of picks moving forward). A KP/Powell/Luka/Brogdon/Brunson lineup (or THJ at 2 and Brogdon at 1) is quite a bit better than before. We won't have the Lakers star-studded cast, especially if they actually manage to get a 3rd true star like Kawhi, but man, that's a really good team that likely makes the playoffs next year and several players have the ability to grow greatly.

I'd rather more (and am secretly hoping for more with the possibility of a trade), but we could do a lot worse. Truth is, there are few teams that are going to compete with LA if they manage to do everything they're trying to outside of a healthy GS team or a kept-in-tact Toronto team, so we should really be building to make serious noise in 2-3 years anyway. Not saying noise is impossible sooner, but it's going to be pretty difficult for sure.

Bryan_Wilson · 06-28-2019, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Male30Dan

What is Brogdon's max? Is it 4/109 given the max for guys under 6 years is 25% of the cap and the cap is 109 (so 27+/yr). If so, that seems VERY high... Would anyone be willing to pay that (or whatever it is if my numbers are wrong) to take no chance that Milwaukee matches or, at least if they do, that we did everything we could to pull him away? If so, going back to the question I asked yesterday, where would we be with our salary cap (assuming we stretch Lee)? Would that leave anything for C or would we be stuck starting KP alongside Powell? There would still be the possibility of SnT scenarios for bigs (with Powell and/or Brunson+), but not sure there's a great fit there.

Even if ALL we do during free agency is pull Brogdon away, when you consider where our roster was before last year's draft, that's still an amazing win to build off of (of course I'm not sure there's a lot of additional building if we're paying KP/Brogdon max or near max dollars, and we won't have a lot of picks moving forward). A KP/Powell/Luka/Brogdon/Brunson lineup (or THJ at 2 and Brogdon at 1) is quite a bit better than before. We won't have the Lakers star-studded cast, especially if they actually manage to get a 3rd true star like Kawhi, but man, that's a really good team that likely makes the playoffs next year and has the ability to grow leaps and bounds along the way.

I'd rather more (and am secretly hoping for more with the possibility of a trade), but we could do a lot worse. Truth is, there are few teams that are going to compete with LA if they manage to do everything they're trying to outside of a healthy GS team or a kept-in-tact Toronto team, so we should really be building to make serious noise in 2-3 years anyway. Not saying noise is impossible sooner, but it's going to be pretty difficult for sure.

His Max is similar to KP I would imagine since both are under 6 years. Only difference being we do not own his rights so we can't offer 5yr 158. It would be 4yr 117 starting at 27.25m

hayth.james.g · 06-28-2019, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Male30Dan

What is Brogdon's max? Is it 4/109 given the max for guys under 6 years is 25% of the cap and the cap is 109 (so 27+/yr). If so, that seems VERY high... Would anyone be willing to pay that (or whatever it is if my numbers are wrong) to take no chance that Milwaukee matches or, at least if they do, that we did everything we could to pull him away? If so, going back to the question I asked yesterday, where would we be with our salary cap (assuming we stretch Lee)? Would that leave anything for C or would we be stuck starting KP alongside Powell? There would still be the possibility of SnT scenarios for bigs (with Powell and/or Brunson+), but not sure there's a great fit there.

Even if ALL we do during free agency is pull Brogdon away, when you consider where our roster was before last year's draft, that's still an amazing win to build off of (of course I'm not sure there's a lot of additional building if we're paying KP/Brogdon max or near max dollars, and we won't have a lot of picks moving forward). A KP/Powell/Luka/Brogdon/Brunson lineup (or THJ at 2 and Brogdon at 1) is quite a bit better than before. We won't have the Lakers star-studded cast, especially if they actually manage to get a 3rd true star like Kawhi, but man, that's a really good team that likely makes the playoffs next year and has the ability to grow leaps and bounds along the way.

I'd rather more (and am secretly hoping for more with the possibility of a trade), but we could do a lot worse. Truth is, there are few teams that are going to compete with LA if they manage to do everything they're trying to outside of a healthy GS team or a kept-in-tact Toronto team, so we should really be building to make serious noise in 2-3 years anyway. Not saying noise is impossible sooner, but it's going to be pretty difficult for sure.

If you front load the contract, I think you are looking at 4/88 to steal him. We would still have money to work with.

hayth.james.g · 06-28-2019, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by saclare

I liked this one better.

I think I've settled firmly into camp Brogdon. What will it take for Milwaukee to not match? I think whatever it is, it is worth the price to pay. I think he's a budding talent and would grow well within a young 3 stud core.

Next on my list would be Harris. His comments on a 3rd star with historically high usage, a la Kemba (albeit on shitty teams), it would be tough.

After that, I'd be on to the next tier of Beverley, Dedmon, Bogdanovic, etc.

This article is exactly what has been said on here for the last two months. People are acting like we are just now shying away from kemba because of this week’s headlines.

Kemba is a poor fit on almost every level. I like him for us more than Vuc but not enough to justify a 4 year commitment at max dollars.

Brogdon at 22 a year is a much better deal. He is younger, doesn't need the ball, extremely efficient, and versatile defensively. We continue to attempt top 5 3’s in the league with Brogdon + KP and we are going to win games.

Worst case we build a playoff team with a few vets on 2-3 year deals and let Luka + KP solidify their brand in the NBA. Assuming KP stays healthy (which everything depends on), tell me we aren’t a top 3 destination for the next 5+ years. We wont have to settle for 2nd tier all stars.

CanadianMavsFan · 06-28-2019, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by endtroducing MASKED

“Glorified Mike James” is truly one of the worst takes in history, congratulations

Tell me what Kemba does better than prime Mike James. Or hey you can be a bit more generous and compare him to Bobby Jackson if you want.

Underdog · 06-28-2019, 01:37 PM

@RKonkle_Mavs: It’s become pretty clear to me that plan A should be:

1. Move Courtney Lee’s deal, creating nearly $40 million in space.

2. Sign Beverley in the $12-14 million range annually for 3 years.

3. Ink Brogdon to a ridiculously large offer sheet and cross your fingers.

4. Find some interior toughness/rebounding with the MLE.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-28-2019, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

@RKonkle_Mavs: It’s become pretty clear to me that plan A should be:

1. Move Courtney Lee’s deal, creating nearly $40 million in space.

2. Sign Beverley in the $12-14 million range annually for 3 years.

3. Ink Brogdon to a ridiculously large offer sheet and cross your fingers.

4. Find some interior toughness/rebounding with the MLE.

Diallo with some of that MLE money.

I find that Brogdon/Beverly/Brunson would create a bit of a log jam.

Bryan_Wilson · 06-28-2019, 01:58 PM

If Barnes is getting 90m I'm not sure you can get Brogdon without maxing him honestly. Or very very close to it.

Underdog · 06-28-2019, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

If Barnes is getting 90m I'm not sure you can get Brogdon without maxing him honestly. Or very very close to it.

Yeah, I was hoping 4/80 would get it done, but it's looking like 4/100 at this point...

JJP · 06-28-2019, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

His Max is similar to KP I would imagine since both are under 6 years. Only difference being we do not own his rights so we can't offer 5yr 158. It would be 4yr 117 starting at 27.25m

From NBA Rumors via ESPN

"League executives believe a team may look to pry Malcolm Brogdon away from the Bucks by putting together an offer sheet that starts at a high number and descends in later seasons, according to Shelburne and Windhorst. A player option and various bonuses could also be added to such an offer sheet, the ESPN duo adds, identifying the Bulls, Suns, Mavericks, and Celtics (if they don’t get Kemba Walker) as possible suitors for Brogdon."

Underdog · 06-28-2019, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP

From NBA Rumors via ESPN

"League executives believe a team may look to pry Malcolm Brogdon away from the Bucks by putting together an offer sheet that starts at a high number and descends in later seasons, according to Shelburne and Windhorst. A player option and various bonuses could also be added to such an offer sheet, the ESPN duo adds, identifying the Bulls, Suns, Mavericks, and Celtics (if they don’t get Kemba Walker) as possible suitors for Brogdon."

That's actually the first rumor I've seen that has the Mavs formally attached to Brogdon... Everything up until now has been fan speculation/spitballing.

saclare · 06-28-2019, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadianMavsFan

Tell me what Kemba does better than prime Mike James. Or hey you can be a bit more generous and compare him to Bobby Jackson if you want.

Everything. Done.

Dtownsfinest · 06-28-2019, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadianMavsFan

Tell me what Kemba does better than prime Mike James. Or hey you can be a bit more generous and compare him to Bobby Jackson if you want.

Are you being serious or trolling?

Dtownsfinest · 06-28-2019, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

@RKonkle_Mavs: It’s become pretty clear to me that plan A should be:

1. Move Courtney Lee’s deal, creating nearly $40 million in space.

2. Sign Beverley in the $12-14 million range annually for 3 years.

3. Ink Brogdon to a ridiculously large offer sheet and cross your fingers.

4. Find some interior toughness/rebounding with the MLE.

If they create 40 million in cap space and get Beverly and Brogdon I’m going to throw up.

hayth.james.g · 06-28-2019, 02:32 PM

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If they create 40 million in cap space and get Beverly and Brogdon I’m going to throw up.

If they get Brogdon and Beverley, we will be in the playoffs.

Underdog · 06-28-2019, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

If they get Brogdon and Beverley, we will be in the playoffs.

Maybe he's gonna throw up out of excitement?

CanadianMavsFan · 06-28-2019, 03:04 PM

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Are you being serious or trolling?

I'm being very serious when I say that he doesn't make your team any better than a prime Mike James or even a Mo Williams for that matter. He is an inefficient volume scorer, has been since college. His clutch stats are atrocious.

He's a poor decision maker and a bad defender. I don't know why people on this forum are pining for a guy who has led his team to 1 playoff appearance in the pitiful East during his prime years.

But hey, the Celtics have saved the Mavericks from themselves. We should all rejoice. I'll be here to serve up crow when Kemba stinks it up in Boston.

JJP · 06-28-2019, 03:35 PM

This Vucevic offer surprised me a little... 90m for 4 years. So that's 22.5 per year.

I doubt this suddenly makes the mavs interested again... but maybe. More likely another team outbids Orlando.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/...r-vucevic.html

hayth.james.g · 06-28-2019, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP

This Vucevic offer surprised me a little... 90m for 4 years. So that's 22.5 per year.

I doubt this suddenly makes the mavs interested again... but maybe.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/...r-vucevic.html

I don't disagree. 22.5 million is a steal. I doubt it gets it done, but as other writers have pointed out, the market for 5's is down. You would think his increase in 3 point efficiency and usage this year would help.

Underdog · 06-28-2019, 03:44 PM

Orlando lowballing Vuc.

JJP · 06-28-2019, 03:58 PM

Plus, if you read Vucevic's comments about his free agency, you never once read where he might be willing to give a hometown discount. He never seemed wedded to Orlando.

Still, I think other teams may have a bigger need.

sefant77 · 06-28-2019, 04:04 PM

Lol poor Bamba

Lets Pick up Frank for cap Space and Bamba for future picks

Five-ofan · 06-28-2019, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP

This Vucevic offer surprised me a little... 90m for 4 years. So that's 22.5 per year.

I doubt this suddenly makes the mavs interested again... but maybe. More likely another team outbids Orlando.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/...r-vucevic.html

That's actually a smart move by Orlando. Probably a slight overpay but best you could reasonably expect

JJP · 06-28-2019, 04:21 PM

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That's actually a smart move by Orlando. Probably a slight overpay but best you could reasonably expect

In thinking about it, you're probably right. I wonder if it would have been better if Vucevic's agent had done the same thing as Beverly's agent and said something like "I'm seeking a deal of 100m in a 4-year contract".

Sorry to mix free agents, but what Beverley's agent did with that stating out loud the 40m in 4, was a real benefit to the Mavs and possibly other interested teams. The Clippers have a glut of backcourt players including a promising PG waiting in the wings. They are likely going to back-off rather than pay. I think Beverley will move and we have as good a chance as any... maybe better since Duffy is the agent.

endtroducing MASKED · 06-28-2019, 04:21 PM

Nets are giving Russell the qualifying offer, so he’s now a restricted free agent.

Dtownsfinest · 06-28-2019, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

If they get Brogdon and Beverley, we will be in the playoffs.

I highly doubt it. I’d even put money on it. If we do get in there it will more than likely be because of KP being healthy and another year for Luka. Brogdon and Beverly aren’t game changers.

Dtownsfinest · 06-28-2019, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadianMavsFan

I'm being very serious when I say that he doesn't make your team any better than a prime Mike James or even a Mo Williams for that matter. He is an inefficient volume scorer, has been since college. His clutch stats are atrocious.

He's a poor decision maker and a bad defender. I don't know why people on this forum are pining for a guy who has led his team to 1 playoff appearance in the pitiful East during his prime years.

But hey, the Celtics have saved the Mavericks from themselves. We should all rejoice. I'll be here to serve up crow when Kemba stinks it up in Boston.

With all due respect.....you don’t know what you’re talking about. He plays poor defense. Ok. How about him being one of the best scorers in the league? When was Mike James ever that?

Dtownsfinest · 06-28-2019, 04:38 PM

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Maybe he's gonna throw up out of excitement?

Naw.....it won’t be from excitement lol.