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AO41 · 01-13-2016, 06:22 PM

Parsons had a great first half and his shot looked good because he was letting things come to him and not overthinking.

In the second half, I saw him do his STUPID on 2-3 possessions and I knew it was going to be a different story....and it was.

YES he played good D and had a good half but he needs to be CONSISTENT and play within the team structure.

The D towards the end of the dame was horrible...they had layups or dunks on like 5 possessions.

Dirk had another KILLER TO that didn't help out cause.

Matthews was BAD.

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Parsons tonight:
25 points on 10/14 shooting
3/6 3PA
8 rebounds
1 assist
2 steals
3 TOs
Defended Lebron amazing well at times ... let him drive to an open layup at others.
Overall pretty good game.

Bryan_Wilson · 01-13-2016, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AO41

Parsons had a great first half and his shot looked good because he was letting things come to him and not overthinking.

In the second half, I saw him do his STUPID on 2-3 possessions and I knew it was going to be a different story....and it was.

YES he played good D and had a good half but he needs to be CONSISTENT and play within the team structure.

The D towards the end of the dame was horrible...they had layups or dunks on like 5 possessions.

Dirk had another KILLER TO that didn't help out cause.

Matthews was BAD.

He needs to be consistent but that can be said for just about every single player outside of Zaza. Even Dirk has had 2 uncharacteristic crunch time TO's in recent games. He shot it 14 times, the ball was evenly distributed among the starters shot wise, I don't think you will ever see any one player on this team soot 20 times outside of Dirk. I don't know why that's a negative, he didn't score in the second half like he did the first but if that's a problem you can go ahead and list the entire lineup for not being consistent on a half by half game by game basis... Yet the only one who has an entire thread based on his play not being good enough or not fitting is Parsons. Pretty sure that's why every game thread the common joke is that it's Parsons fault because when he doesn't play well this thread is updated, when he plays well this thread is updated on the notion that it's not consistent. He seriously can't win and it's become comical.

bunkmoreland · 01-14-2016, 01:18 PM

Good to see Parsons have a great game.
Hopefully he will continue to have more games like this as his injury is put behind him. I look for him to have a solid second half.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-21-2016, 01:07 AM

This is his chance to be that guy. What Parsons needs to do more than anything is not get passive when his shot isn't falling. If he has one of his 2-8 games, then he needs to stay aggressive offensively and not just think "welp, 2-8, this isn't my night so I'll pass to everyone else." That will be his real test. The ability to have bad quarters and snap himself out of it.

Melonhead · 01-21-2016, 01:49 AM

But this is the type of setting Parsons thrives in.

He needs the ball A LOT in his hands. And he doesnt do well with slower type centers (zaza) or other slow guys around him (dirk). So Dirk is out and Zaza wasnt going ham on rebounds down low. Parsons is able to take over and get to the rim.(which is where he is best)

But when these guys are a force, he takes a backseat. Hes just a weird piece to fit in with the offense.

Melonhead · 01-21-2016, 08:40 AM

Parsons on Dirk:

"Pretty much we shoot every day, even on off days we come in. I wouldnt want to work with anyone else in the league, ever..."

AWWWWWWWW

SMC0007 · 01-21-2016, 09:44 AM

Parsons obviously has talent and ability, but he is not agressive enough to be a force consistently yet. He really needs to make his mind up to be assertive and mix up his game more. Good to see tonight

rimrocker · 01-21-2016, 10:55 AM

At some point someone younger than 37 needs to be our goto guy. DWill and Felton have been the only ones who seem to embrace that role but I'd love to see Parsons thrive because he has ability to get to rim and is much younger.

AO41 · 01-26-2016, 09:39 AM

Parsons is HOTT right now and in my opinion it still shows what I have been saying all along. He needs the ball to be successful.... otherwise he doesn't di nuch out there. WHEN he has the ball he put up great "Kevin Love" stats with not much ti show for. He just doesn't have that IT....even when he is on a roll and playing good ball.

So I think this is a good time to look for a trade...but ONLY if it improves our team. Maybe we can get a few teams to bite based on how he has played lately. BUT if we can't find a very good trade then we should just roll with Parsons and what we have. I think we can be somewhat successful thay way as well.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-28-2016, 02:02 PM

25.4 ppg, 7 rpg on 59%! shooting, 60%! from three last 5 games.

Yup, get rid of him. Actually, I was definitely skeptical that he could put up those kind of stats again, but nice to see he actually does have all-star potential.

10AMGareDuNord · 01-28-2016, 02:58 PM

I think it amusing how Parsons gets thrown under the bus around here, while Matthews seems to have carte blanche to consistently *kill* our offense on a nightly basis. I get it. He's got a great attitude and plays good, but not spectacular D (though his rebounding isn't impressive). However, his inability to hit the open 3 (his only offensive skill, especially now that he can't really post-up), really cripples our offense. The man has no lift and limps running the floor. That contract really is going to look bad as I don't see him changing much in the future.

CP, however, looks to be recovering well. He is not, and will never be, a number one option. But he can be Hayward-esque. A 20/5/5 guy and number 2 option on a contending team. He just needs the ball in his hands. He's a creator...not a spot-up shooter. It's tough in RC's system because Deron, and JJB especially, do so much ball-pounding.

AO41 · 01-28-2016, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 10AMGareDuNord

I think it amusing how Parsons gets thrown under the bus around here, while Matthews seems to have carte blanche to consistently *kill* our offense on a nightly basis. I get it. He's got a great attitude and plays good, but not spectacular D (though his rebounding isn't impressive). However, his inability to hit the open 3 (his only offensive skill, especially now that he can't really post-up), really cripples our offense. The man has no lift and limps running the floor. That contract really is going to look bad as I don't see him changing much in the future.

CP, however, looks to be recovering well. He is not, and will never be, a number one option. But he can be Hayward-esque. A 20/5/5 guy and number 2 option on a contending team. He just needs the ball in his hands. He's a creator...not a spot-up shooter. It's tough in RC's system because Deron, and JJB especially, do so much ball-pounding.

I am most def. irritated with Matthews' play and I think he just tries too hard at time. He is a little out of his element especially when it comes to handling the ball or creating anything.

The difference is he and Parsons were brought in under different expectations. The last 5 game Parsons has been GREAT and has shown why we had high expectations. BUT to me its fools gold and there is no way he will carry this team. Thats why I think we should trade him now...IF we can get a deal that improves the team.

As for Matthews ..we just gave him that contract and he has been terrible. I just think he needs to get back to what he does and thats open 3's and spot up shooting with some good D. He is the ultimate role player and can be a great ft here ...BUT he is not star and thats what he has been pushing himself to be with this new contract.

Bryan_Wilson · 01-28-2016, 06:02 PM

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I am most def. irritated with Matthews' play and I think he just tries too hard at time. He is a little out of his element especially when it comes to handling the ball or creating anything.

The difference is he and Parsons were brought in under different expectations. The last 5 game Parsons has been GREAT and has shown why we had high expectations. BUT to me its fools gold and there is no way he will carry this team. Thats why I think we should trade him now...IF we can get a deal that improves the team.

As for Matthews ..we just gave him that contract and he has been terrible. I just think he needs to get back to what he does and thats open 3's and spot up shooting with some good D. He is the ultimate role player and can be a great ft here ...BUT he is not star and thats what he has been pushing himself to be with this new contract.

Wait so Matthews is a role-player and if he is just a role player being paid 16-18m that is fine. Parsons has to be a star tho and carry the team if not we need to trade him? Why does Parsons have to be a "star"? Why can't he be a part of a "core"? Why does a guy being paid more get to have lower expectations?

AO41 · 01-28-2016, 06:48 PM

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Wait so Matthews is a role-player and if he is just a role player being paid 16-18m that is fine. Parsons has to be a star tho and carry the team if not we need to trade him? Why does Parsons have to be a "star"? Why can't he be a part of a "core"? Why does a guy being paid more get to have lower expectations?

I didn't say it was fine. Neither guy will carry this team. RC like good pint guard and as long as he is here, Parsons will not have the ball in his hands as much as he needs it to be effective.

Matthews can still put up 18ppg without having the ball in his hands.....Parsons cant because hes a different player.

Seeing that parsons is playing really well, I think we can get some quality players that will make the Mavs a better team overall once we get the STAR that can actually help us compete with the top teams in the NBA.

Underdog · 01-28-2016, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AO41

Matthews can still put up 18ppg without having the ball in his hands.

That's an odd conclusion to come to about a guy who has never averaged over 16.4 PPG, and is currently putting up 12.8 PPG.

I mean, I get your point about Parsons, but trying to juxtapose his scoring ability with Wes isn't working for this argument... Matthews has been somewhat ineffective with or without the ball in his hands.

TheSportyChannel · 01-28-2016, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Wait so Matthews is a role-player and if he is just a role player being paid 16-18m that is fine. Parsons has to be a star tho and carry the team if not we need to trade him? Why does Parsons have to be a "star"? Why can't he be a part of a "core"? Why does a guy being paid more get to have lower expectations?

Parson was brought in to become a star player for the mavs and so far he has failed. Even he said he would take the next step with the mavs but so far no luck. He was supposed to be the 2nd leading scorer last year but was 3rd. Supposed to be this year but it is Dwill. Hey I'm disappointed at Matthews but he was brought in to be and 3 and D role guy. Parsons was brought in to be a franchise player but looks like that will never happen. Overall both players are result of Mark Cuban inability to draft. He rather sign a 2nd round pick to a Max then hire scouts and get rookie players for minimal salary. Dirk is still the main guy on this team so making Dirk the 2nd best player has failed. We are currently in year 5 of mediocrity.

10AMGareDuNord · 01-28-2016, 02:58 PM

I think it amusing how Parsons gets thrown under the bus around here, while Matthews seems to have carte blanche to consistently *kill* our offense on a nightly basis. I get it. He's got a great attitude and plays good, but not spectacular D (though his rebounding isn't impressive). However, his inability to hit the open 3 (his only offensive skill, especially now that he can't really post-up), really cripples our offense. The man has no lift and limps running the floor. That contract really is going to look bad as I don't see him changing much in the future.

CP, however, looks to be recovering well. He is not, and will never be, a number one option. But he can be Hayward-esque. A 20/5/5 guy and number 2 option on a contending team. He just needs the ball in his hands. He's a creator...not a spot-up shooter. It's tough in RC's system because Deron, and JJB especially, do so much ball-pounding.

Underdog · 01-28-2016, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 10AMGareDuNord

I think it amusing how Parsons gets thrown under the bus around here, while Matthews seems to have carte blanche to consistently *kill* our offense on a nightly basis. I get it. He's got a great attitude and plays good, but not spectacular D (though his rebounding isn't impressive). However, his inability to hit the open 3 (his only offensive skill, especially now that he can't really post-up), really cripples our offense. The man has no lift and limps running the floor. That contract really is going to look bad as I don't see him changing much in the future.

I don't think his contract is going to be that big of an issue with the cap about to skyrocket (mainly because he'll still be tradable to bottom feeders trying to stay within the minimum 90% of their cap as it balloons), but Wes definitely isn't looking like a guy who can start for a contender anymore... Maybe he needs to sit out and continue to heal, but I'm starting to get the impression that his injury has permanently grounded the lift in his shot... And, like you said, his defense hasn't been good enough to make up for the decline in his offense, so what's he really bringing to the table?

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-28-2016, 03:33 PM

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I don't think his contract is going to be that big of an issue with the cap about to skyrocket (mainly because he'll still be tradable to bottom feeders trying to stay within the minimum 90% of their cap as it balloons), but Wes definitely isn't looking like a guy who can start for a contender anymore... Maybe he needs to sit out and continue to heal, but I'm starting to get the impression that his injury has permanently grounded the lift in his shot... And, like you said, his defense hasn't been good enough to make up for the decline in his offense, so what's he really bringing to the table?

He looks terrified of contact the few times he has gone to the rim. To me, it's the mental aspect if his injury that is the real killer.

Good news is that he was still the best 2 guard free agent option this past summer that the Mavs actually had a chance at. You'd still be having to spend at least 12 a year for Ellis who isn't really doing much better on the Pacers and doesn't play defense.

AO41 · 01-28-2016, 09:29 PM

Personally...I think a SF like Green (Memphis) would have been an awesome fit with this team or a guy like Aminu. Not saying they are more talented...just that their games would fit better and would contribute more towards making this a better team.

Bryan_Wilson · 01-28-2016, 10:51 PM

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Personally...I think a SF like Green (Memphis) would have been an awesome fit with this team or a guy like Aminu. Not saying they are more talented...just that their games would fit better and would contribute more towards making this a better team.

I personally disagree on the Green idea. He likes the ball in his hands just as much as Parsons only he is always looking to score and he does it much less efficiently. And this year was so bad he was benched. He is a worse defender than Parsons and their rebounding is similar. Parsons is a better catch and shoot player also.

I like Aminu but not as a starter on this team. I liked him for what he was last season. He provides minimal on the offensive end. We alrdy have Matthews not providing much offensively and adding Aminu and taking out Parsons is not going to help Wes score more. It would make it harder, and if you think he is pressing to live up to his contract now, imagine taking off an offensive wpn like parsons substituting a 10point guy in aminu. If anything Wes might be pressing more. Also Last year we used Aminu half at the 3 and half at the 4, if you take Parsons off this team for Aminu it would be Dwill/Felton/Wes/Aminu/Center while Dirk is off the floor for defense/rebounding and then I think Aminu would sub out for Dirk to maintain the 2 pg lineup that RC is in love with(in his defense it's one of the top clutch lineups in the NBA) and it would be Dwill/Felton/Wes/Dirk/C. I still think Aminu's best role was what RC used him as. A Versatile defender and high energy "super sub" for this small ball era. I personally don't think he's a great starter, especially alongside Iron Man. They could dig in on Dirk in the post and cheat over toward wes on the perimeter and leave Aminu open, as improved as he is it's still not even league average.

10AMGareDuNord · 01-29-2016, 02:16 AM

Jeff Green is garbage. Not a playmaker. Lazy, uninspired player who will look amazing every 10th game then revert to a lazy bum.

Underdog · 02-07-2016, 01:29 PM

@MFollowill: Chandler Parsons moved into top 20 in league in 3pt% last night... Shooting career best 40.1% (53% over last 13 games)

EricaLubarsky · 02-07-2016, 01:57 PM

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@MFollowill: Chandler Parsons moved into top 20 in league in 3pt% last night... Shooting career best 40.1% (53% over last 13 games)

I blame Parsons

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-07-2016, 02:39 PM

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I blame Parsons

The advanced stats are whack when it comes to Parsons. 10-15 shooting with 8 rebounds 4 assists, 5-8 on threes and yet a +2? His game and in game plus/minus aren't getting along.

EricaLubarsky · 02-07-2016, 04:32 PM

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The advanced stats are whack when it comes to Parsons. 10-15 shooting with 8 rebounds 4 assists, 5-8 on threes and yet a +2? His game and in game plus/minus aren't getting along.

1) Those aren't advanced stats you are using

2) Poor defense can make big stats useless. Dirk could score 75 with 20 rebounds and 15 assists, but if we are a defensive, sieve of course the +/- wouldn't be stellar

3) We can always trade for Rondo, the king of stat padding

Underdog · 02-22-2016, 12:22 PM

@bobbykaralla: Chandler Parsons' last 15 games:

20.2 pts
5.9 reb
2.4 ast
53.2/51.8/78.6%
66.6 TS%
63.8 eFG%
122 OffRtg
22.8 usage

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-22-2016, 12:26 PM

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@bobbykaralla: Chandler Parsons' last 15 games:

20.2 pts
5.9 reb
2.4 ast
53.2/51.8/78.6%
66.6 TS%
63.8 eFG%
122 OffRtg
22.8 usage

Been the best player on the team in that span. Nice to see and the best thing the Mavs have going for them right now.

sike · 02-22-2016, 01:34 PM

Parsons has been so good lately. Really fun to watch him w the ball in his hands.

It is almost certainly NOT sustainable, but if he can stabilize and maintain a high level, I say pay that man his money when he opts out.

mac222b · 02-22-2016, 01:49 PM

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Parsons has been so good lately. Really fun to watch him w the ball in his hands.

It is almost certainly NOT sustainable, but if he can stabilize and maintain a high level, I say pay that man his money when he opts out.

Gonna be another crazy summer. Dirk and Parsons can potentially opt out. D-Will almost certainly will. Zaza or some other center gonna get paid. Be interesting to see if they bring this group back. Or throw money at younger guys and start to build for post Dirk. Or some combination thereof.

DGM · 02-22-2016, 03:01 PM

Why would CP stay in Dallas and put up with RC's crap? I expect to see him leave. Lots of teams will have money this summer. He's gone.

Underdog · 02-22-2016, 03:08 PM

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Why would CP stay in Dallas and put up with RC's crap? I expect to see him leave. Lots of teams will have money this summer. He's gone.

WTF are you talking about? Parsons is playing the best basketball of his career right now because Rick Carlisle made him the focus of our offense... Who else is going to offer him that??

DGM · 02-22-2016, 03:32 PM

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WTF are you talking about? Parsons is playing the best basketball of his career right now because Rick Carlisle made him the focus of our offense... Who else is going to offer him that??

Watch

Underdog · 02-22-2016, 03:45 PM

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Watch

So you have absolutely nothing to back up your claim other than a "gut feeling" based on your pet-hatred for Rick Carlisle? Like, Rick is such a bad coach and terrible person that he's going to drive Parsons away? And of course your opinion of Carlisle's coaching ability stems 100% from him not giving more minutes to the worst players on this team...

Have you ever considered that maybe your gut has shit for brains?

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Chandler Parsons and Mavericks Coach Rick Carlisle Are Basically Besties

Carlisle and Parsons, who can look out the windows of their posh apartments in Uptown Dallas high-rises and see each other’s balconies, spend an inordinate amount of time together. Most of it is basketball-based, as Parsons often shoots and watches film with Carlisle in one-on-one sessions. But they also socialize some, having attended concerts together and shared many meals, occasionally with Carlisle’s wife and daughter and Parsons’ parents and/or longtime best friend/personal assistant, Pausha Haghighi.

DGM · 02-24-2016, 06:58 AM

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So you have absolutely nothing to back up your claim other than a "gut feeling" based on your pet-hatred for Rick Carlisle? Like, Rick is such a bad coach and terrible person that he's going to drive Parsons away? And of course your opinion of Carlisle's coaching ability stems 100% from him not giving more minutes to the worst players on this team...

Have you ever considered that maybe your gut has shit for brains?

Send the link. Want to read it myself. You may very well be full of it.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-22-2016, 03:53 PM

Rick is definitely tough on Parsons by design. Thing is that Rick thinks he can be a superstar in a way that most fans probably don't.

Underdog · 02-22-2016, 04:00 PM

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Rick is definitely tough on Parsons by design. Thing is that Rick thinks he can be a superstar in a way that most fans probably don't.

Yeah, a coach who is pushing him to become an All-Star and an owner who is already paying him like an All-Star -- where is Parsons going to find a better deal than that?

The only worry he has in Dallas is living up to expectations.

sefant77 · 02-23-2016, 10:00 PM

RC is tough on Parsons, but they also like to troll each other a little bit. Also via media. Same with pretty much the entire team. Parsons with Cuban (fashion), Dirk and Zaza...well Dirk pretty much trolls everyone...

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-24-2016, 01:51 AM

Parsons also basically convinced Jordan to come here before baby huey changed his mind. Without him, we would have had no shot at all at someone like that. That kind of sway is worth its weight in gold. Fans may be divided on him, but players seem to really respond to him on a personal level.

sike · 02-24-2016, 06:10 PM

UD ain't making stuff up to score points.