KG to Golden State talks heat up

[Darth Ape]

Hammering out KG deal

Talks between Minnesota and Golden State about a trade that would send Kevin Garnett to the Bay Area are real and advanced, according to a person involved in the discussions. But it's too early to say whether No. 8 pick Brandan Wright, reigning "most improved player" Monta Ellis and an assortment of fat and/or expiring contracts will be enough. Wright can't be traded for 30 days because he signed his rookie contract Friday

http://www.newsday.com/sports/printe...y-sports-print

...as predicted on this forum by the great and knowledgable Darth Ape (who is refining his self-congratulatory Mike Fisher impression)

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Key words in this post here "too early"

Funny about Fish though.

[Flacolaco]

Do you think Nellie would shut the hell up about wanting more money if they got KG, and come back to work?

[Henry_VIII]

Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Do you think Nellie would shut the hell up about wanting more money if they got KG, and come back to work?

no

[dalmations202]

GS might be able to make it work, but one of two things is true.

Either 1) Minn is extremely stupid and they take Foyle contract or
2) GS guts their team entirely giving up all the talent they have to get BDiddy and Garnett together without any other players with talent.

If GS trades Harrington, Jackson, Jasikevicious (expiring), Biedrins, and Ellis, and then offers the trade exception for a combination Blount, Madson, Hudson or Hassell --- they can get it done.

Problem for GS is that it leaves their team as BDiddy, Foyle, Belinelli, O'Bryant, Pietrus/Barnes, Wright, Garnett, and the combination they get from the TE, plus the MLE

* I didn't include Wright in the trade because that would take 60 days then, and they seem to think this is a done deal.

I don't think this GS team would be as good as the GS team last year. They would be "hands" tied just like Minn is. They would have 2 rookies in their top 8 players, and have to resign Pietrus and or Barnes.

[DarenG]

I am so sick of these KG rumors. I bet this guys doesn't go anywhere until the TD during the season.

[MavsX]

damnit

[Flacolaco]

send him there.

Send him straight to GS.

I hope he enjoys whoever Nellie has running practices in March.

[skylive321]

it would take baron davis and al harrington to equal KG's salary.. this trade talks is only a rumor. Golden State's office isnt that stupid... At least I dont think they are
Player
Baron Davis 16m
Adonal Foyle 9m
Al HArrington 8.4m
Stephen Jackson 6.6
the rest are not worthy of mentioning. this trade is dead.

[DelNegro]

You only have to match salaries within 25%. KG makes $22 mil, so Golden State only has to cough up about $17.6 mil to match. Foyle, Harrington and Ellis get that done. Plus the Warriors have that trade exception from the Richardson deal where they can just absorb one of Minnesota's undesireable contracts, like Troy Hudson, without having to give anyone back. That's instant cap relief for Minnesota.

I'm not saying a deal is going to happen, but it's definitely workable cap-wise.

[alby]

Baron/Jackson/KG = yikes

[Darth Ape]

Brandon Wright - $2.3M
Jasikevicius - $4.0M
Ellis - $0.7M
Harrington - $8.4M
O'Bryant - $2.2M
Total: $17.6M

for

Garnett - $22M

17.6M / $22M = 80%

But it must wait until August 5th due to Brandon Wright's trade restriction.

[Darth Ape]

PG: Baron Davis
SG: Kelenna Azubuike
SF: Stephen Jackson
PF: Garnett
C: Andres Biedrens

Bench: Pietrus, Belleneli, Pierre Pierce, Kosta Perovic

... and that's without using thier mid-level exception or trading their trade exception for a $10M superstar.

[mary]

I have two questions:

Does anyone know how much KG's trade kicker is?

Does a trade kicker count in the salary base for meeting the 25 % requirement?

Thanks in advance.

[DelNegro]

KG does have a trade kicker, which I forgot about, but I don't know how much it is. I do know that the acquiring team does have to include the TK in their calculations, but the sending team does not use the TK in their calculations.

EDIT: If I'm reading Larry Coon's CBA page right, the most that TK could be worth is 15% of the remaining value of his contract. Years after an ETO do not count, so in figuring out his TK it would be 15% of the $22 mil he will make next year, or $3.3 mil. That $3.3 mil would up his salary from the Warriors point of view to $25.3 mil, which backs out into $20.16 mil in salary the Warriors would need to send out.

[purplefrog]

Originally Posted by Darth Ape

PG: Baron Davis
SG: Kelenna Azubuike
SF: Stephen Jackson
PF: Garnett
C: Andres Biedrens

Bench: Pietrus, Belleneli, Pierre Pierce, Kosta Perovic

... and that's without using thier mid-level exception or trading their trade exception for a $10M superstar.

Wow! That's a scary roster.... and in the end Nellie will still not make the finals. Assuming he is still coaching of course....

[me770706]

if i were minnesota id demand bellinelli with wright and ellis/#1

[alby]

Under Nellie's basketball philosophy, they will never win the NBA Finals fyi. =]

[jayC]

Wright can't be traded for 30 days. The trade exception can't be apart of the equation. Every time KG almost goes to Phoenix or LA it doesn't happen. If you read about it. It won't happen.

[Darth Ape]

My theory is that there's a reason Brandon Wright has been held out of summer league with a bizarre, previously undetected rotator cuff injury.

The trade exception can be traded to Minnesota. It just needs to be officially part of a separate trade..

Trade 1:
Harrington, Ellis, Wright and change for KG
Trade 2:
Trade Exception for Mark Madsen and Troy Hudson

Two seperate trades excecuted at the same time. It can happen.... but I don't even think the Warriors need to do that. Trade 1 should be enough to get Garnett. It works under the cap and is more attractive than anything else Minny is going to get.

[Flacolaco]

Not really sure why mavs fans would spend so much time figuring out GS trade possibilities....

[alby]

Could you imagine the Warriors if this were to go down? sigh................

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by Darth Ape

My theory is that there's a reason Brandon Wright has been held out of summer league with a bizarre, previously undetected rotator cuff injury.

The trade exception can be traded to Minnesota. It just needs to be officially part of a separate trade..

Trade 1:
Harrington, Ellis, Wright and change for KG
Trade 2:
Trade Exception for Mark Madsen and Troy Hudson

Two seperate trades excecuted at the same time. It can happen.... but I don't even think the Warriors need to do that. Trade 1 should be enough to get Garnett. It works under the cap and is more attractive than anything else Minny is going to get.

Problem with Trade 1 ---- CHANGE = Jackson, Foyle, or BDiddy. I will assume that BDiddy is going nowhere, Minn doesn't want Foyle, and I am guessing they don't want Jackson either. That means that you have to add Sarunas and Biedrins (expiring) to get there monetarily or you have to do a SNT of Barnes or Pietrus.

If GS does move Harrington, Ellis, Wright, Biedrins, and say SNT Pietrus to Minn for Garnett -- they would be left with what for KG to play with?
BDiddy, Jackson, Barnes, Garnett, Foyle with Madsen, Hudson, OBryant, Sarunas, and Belinelli on the bench is not a championship type club, IMO.

You have to totally GUT that team to get KG or get Minn to accept Foyle.

[Darth Ape]

Originally Posted by dalmations202

Problem with Trade 1 ---- CHANGE = Jackson, Foyle, or BDiddy. I will assume that BDiddy is going nowhere, Minn doesn't want Foyle, and I am guessing they don't want Jackson either. That means that you have to add Sarunas and Biedrins (expiring) to get there monetarily or you have to do a SNT of Barnes or Pietrus.

If GS does move Harrington, Ellis, Wright, Biedrins, and say SNT Pietrus to Minn for Garnett -- they would be left with what for KG to play with?
BDiddy, Jackson, Barnes, Garnett, Foyle with Madsen, Hudson, OBryant, Sarunas, and Belinelli on the bench is not a championship type club, IMO.

You have to totally GUT that team to get KG or get Minn to accept Foyle.

nah. Change could equal Sarunas and O'Bryant.. see my previous trade proposal

Monta Ellis, Harrington, O'Byrant, Brandon Wright... that's 4 pretty bright prospects right there. Sarunas is also very well thought of by some in the league. It provides Minnesota with cap relief as Sarunas comes off the books next year. In my opinion, Golden State wouldn't even need to include the trade exception. The deal is already a windfall for Minnesota. But if needed... no big deal.

[Darth Ape]

..forgot about Matt Barnes. Sign and trade is always a possibility.

[alby]

They would have Baron Davis, Stephen Jackson, Andris Biedrins, and others to team up with KG--scary

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by Darth Ape

nah. Change could equal Sarunas and O'Bryant.. see my previous trade proposal

I wouldn't take it if I were Minn., but with Minn who knows.

Monta Ellis, Harrington, O'Byrant, Brandon Wright... that's 4 pretty bright prospects right there. Sarunas is also very well thought of by some in the league. It provides Minnesota with cap relief as Sarunas comes off the books next year. In my opinion, Golden State wouldn't even need to include the trade exception. The deal is already a windfall for Minnesota. But if needed... no big deal.

Sarunas -- 32 and let's face it, only an expiring contract.
Monta Ellis, I like, good addition. No where close to an all-star though.
Harrington has nine years in the league already and 27. Not an all-star in the West.
Brandon Wright, unknown rookie.
O'Bryant -- Couldn't make GS active team, on a team dying for size, played only 16 gms and avg less than 2pts game.

This is the best option they could get for Kevin Garnett ? ? ? I must value him a little higher than you do.

Dallas offer, IF I were Mark.

Josh Howard (27) -- All-star in the West.
Diop -- young 7' who has played for the championship and is still 25.
Terry or Damp or Ager or Bucknor -- which ever they prefer or none.
SNT for a 1 year of Cro or KVH whichever I could get to do the SNT.
N. Fazekas -- draft rights since he hasn't been signed yet.
Dallas pick up the TK.
$3M
Next years 1st rounder

Yea, I guess Bright prospects are in the eye of the beholder.

[Darth Ape]

in related news... Pietrus may be on the block.

Though Ron Artest's agent said Artest would have welcomed a trade to the Heat (among other places), the Kings now say they plan to keep him. . . . Happy Walters, the agent for Golden State restricted free agent Mickael Pietrus, said the Heat's Randy Pfund told him he plans to contact the Warriors about a potential sign-and-trade for the 6-6, multiskilled, 25-year-old small forward.

http://www.miamiherald.com/588/story/166777.html

[Dirkadirkastan]

In other related news, all of Darth Ass' last ten reps came from chumdawg.

[alby]

I gave him reps too. GS has the pieces to get KG without giving up Baron. To me, that is scary--just another team that is better than the Mavs imo.
The bright thing about him going to GS is that it means he didn't land in LA or Phoenix.

[mary]

Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

In other related news, all of Darth Ass' last ten reps came from chumdawg.

I gave him good rep for his impressive Mike Fisher impersonation.