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Bryant - Dallas...not a good fit
Okay, so here it goes...another opinion regarding the latest rash of rumors surrounding the Mavs and Kobe.
I will admit, he is a talented player on the court...but something kept knawing at me in regards to the Mavs potentially getting Kobe. So I turned to the wisest basketball/sports mind I know, my 16 year old son. I told him that I was struggling, because on the surface the thought of Kobe and Dirk on the court with the same team appears to be a no-brainer. Then my son asked the simple question...when would Dirk get the ball? He believes that if Kobe where to come to Dallas, that he would take away from Dirk's game and that there is a strong possiblity that Dirk could get frustrated and start making bad shot decisions because of how little he would see the ball. He stated that Kobe needs the ball more than most players and that he could/would disrupt the "Team" concept. After that conversation, I felt better...I knew that I didn't want Kobe, but I couldn't figure out a solid basketball reason why...then my son enlightened me on why we do NOT want Kobe. |
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KEEPING KOBE IN LINE JERRY BUSS
Tiring of Bryant's act. October 23, 2007 -- LOS ANGELES - I'm determined not to leave Los Angeles until either Kobe Bryant is blown away by the Santa Ana trade winds or Coby Karl calls Jerry Buss a liar. Some piped-in people out here are convinced Bryant will not be a Laker Oct. 30 when they open the season against the glaringly upgraded Rockets, even if L.A. must accept an inequitable return for the league's preeminent talent; that's how repugnant he supposedly has become to the owner's senses. Though others in the know concede Bryant's incomparable purple and gold scoring salvos are endangered (even should he remain holed up at the office supply store, Phil Jackson has asked him to slab his beast-of-burden act), they refuse to believe Buss will "just take stuff" to exorcise an evil spirit. "You can make a (bad) deal any time you want," an opposing team executive said. "If you're willing to just take stuff, what's the hurry? You've got until the late February trade deadline to afford yourself a chance to see if things can be worked out." You can't get any more logical. Derek Fisher, perhaps the most revered voice of reason of any active player - as evidenced by his union president position - summed up Bryant's "I want to be traded" stance exactly the same way when I asked him for his take. Unfortunately for the Lakers and their fans, common sense may not apply in this situation. Hostilities between Buss and Bryant appear to have become personal. Jackson is the lone person who has any shot of disarming this dispute. Both sides trust him more these days than ever before, I'm informed. Buss is listening to Jackson's advice to keep Bryant if compliant. Bryant may not be a true believer but, for the moment, Jackson has his attention; the Zen Hen is trying to persuade Bryant everything is being done within reason to boost a roster that boasts noticeably more positive qualities than given credit. First, the Lakers are relatively healthy for an abrupt change. Lamar Odom is the sole exception, and his surgically repaired shoulder is expected to be ready for duty soon. The young big men have gotten better, especially Andrew Bynum, who Pete Newell says showed the most improvement over a two-summer span than anyone else in his illustrious camp history. Every small forward must be guarded deep, which opens things up inside, and two of them, Luke Walton and Odom, are the team's foremost precision passers. The point guard position has gone from undermanned to overstaffed (Bryant, Jordan Farmar, Javaris Crittenton and Sasha Vujacic) and is rich in speed, savvy and shooting. "Last year Sasha made every shot in practice and couldn't make any in games," Bryant needled. "Now he's putting it together." And Fisher is providing leadership that has been absent since the moment he signed a free agent contract with the Warriors. "Derek is holding everyone accountable on and off the court," Walton said. "He's already called two quick team meetings." I complimented Jackson on the Lakers' depth, ball distribution and new-found devotion to defense. However, something is missing if the team has serious plans to make a playoff indentation past the first round. "We need a big power forward, someone who can really rebound, block shots and cover people," Jackson said. "We tried to get Kevin Garnett but couldn't." Jermaine O'Neal qualifies as that type, too. Negotiations broke down over the summer when the Pacers wanted Bynum (off limits) and Odom. There also was a snag involving salaries; Indiana wanted L.A. to assume $5M per more (Troy Murphy's deal) than the contracts they would pick up. Will the O'Neal trade talk be revived when Odom shows he's healthy? Is another defensive-minded, rebounding power forward available for a couple of L.A.'s assets? "I'm trying to make Bryant understand it's not over," Jackson said. "Just because the season is about to begin it doesn't mean we've stopped trying to improve." In the meantime, the above duties are the responsibility of the amply energized and undersized Ronny Turiaf. As for Bryant, he isn't going anywhere unless Jackson says so. Evidently the entire Buss family - Jerry and Jim, not just Jeanie - has given Jackson personnel power. Everyone working together suddenly rubberizes Kobe's crutch that the front office is the problem. Not anymore. Meaning, the only way Bryant will be traded is he decides not to play defense and team ball. It's nearly impossible to know what's fake, real, imagined or wishful thinking. So many people are offering so much conflicting info, and Bryant's mind has been known to swivel 180 degrees during one interview. Bottom line, if Bryant sincerely wants out of L.A., he should stop trying to play GM and waive his no-trade clause. peter.vecsey@nypost.com
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10-23-2007, 10:31 AM
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Yeah right. As if Dirk was someone who could get frustrated by something like that. Kobe took less than 23 shots per game last season! Its not like he shoots and the rest of the team watches. Kobeis a incredibly efficient player!
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10-23-2007, 10:33 AM
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with JHo/JT or JHo/DH gone in the deal to bring Kobe here...you can assure your son that there would be more than enough shots for the two superstars...
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10-23-2007, 10:34 AM
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I think Kobe and Dirk is a dream situation. They would be the best combo of talent since.....well since Shaq/Kobe
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ok, we've talked about the problem of evil, and the extent of the atonement's application, but my real question to you is, "Could Jesus dunk?" |
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10-23-2007, 10:39 AM
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did shaq score points?
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ok, we've talked about the problem of evil, and the extent of the atonement's application, but my real question to you is, "Could Jesus dunk?" |
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10-23-2007, 10:49 AM
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Think championships dude, stop thinking love affair with a player.
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BECAUSE I HAD JUST FINISHED THE HEALING PROCESS AND YOU RIPPED THAT BAND AID RIGHT OFF!
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ok, we've talked about the problem of evil, and the extent of the atonement's application, but my real question to you is, "Could Jesus dunk?" |
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10-23-2007, 11:16 AM
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what we need is stack not throwing up more bricks.
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10-23-2007, 11:42 AM
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Hello Kobe thread #3.
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 "I still go through it in my head," Nowitzki said. "One of my last nights in Germany [last month], I was trying to go to sleep, but I couldn't. I was thinking about the free throw I missed [late in Game 3], about different situations that happened in that series. I'll never forget it. It's going to stay in my mind until we win it all." |
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only two things need to fit..
1. ball in kobe's hands 2. ball into the hoop |
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 Would you pass the ball to this man?
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i know there are tons of threads on this already, but i'll add something here.
I DESPISE Kobe. but i'd learn to love him as a mav. the guy is the most talented player in the league - which includes the ability to pass the ball. he'd share with Dirk.
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"I still go through it in my head," Nowitzki said. "One of my last nights in Germany [last month], I was trying to go to sleep, but I couldn't. I was thinking about the free throw I missed [late in Game 3], about different situations that happened in that series. I'll never forget it. It's going to stay in my mind until we win it all." |
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Current Mavs Salary outlook (with my own possibly incorrect math and assumptions) Mavs Net Ratings By Game (Using BRef.com calculations for possessions, so numbers are slightly different than what you'll see on NBA.com and ESPN.com |
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FYI -- I've got a 15 year old who is nearly 16, and basically at 16 they know nothing ---- so why should I listen to a 16 year old. Now I know they think they know everything, and will tell you they do, but so far I haven't seen it at all. Listening to a 16 year old seems like going backwards to me. Just joking---- LOL --- he might be correct or maybe not.
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Definitely needed its own thread
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We need a thread titled "Do you think Kobe will be a Mav?"
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I farted the other day while I was mowing the lawn.. Is that worthy of another thread?
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Dirk does not care how much he gets the ball. He'd love nothing better than to have someone else taking all the shots.
Dirk is probably just about the ONLY star player who wouldn't mind Kobe's ballhogging. |
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"I still go through it in my head," Nowitzki said. "One of my last nights in Germany [last month], I was trying to go to sleep, but I couldn't. I was thinking about the free throw I missed [late in Game 3], about different situations that happened in that series. I'll never forget it. It's going to stay in my mind until we win it all." |
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i just rated this thread "One star" which means "terrible"
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"I still go through it in my head," Nowitzki said. "One of my last nights in Germany [last month], I was trying to go to sleep, but I couldn't. I was thinking about the free throw I missed [late in Game 3], about different situations that happened in that series. I'll never forget it. It's going to stay in my mind until we win it all." |
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...and maybe if you guys keep bumping the thread, it will even go away.
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Yeah I don't think the chemistry would be good. Kobe and Dirk both like to play on the same part of the court and both are not great passers. I don't see how one compliments the other. Meanwhile we lose a slasher and depth with Howard and Terry. Depth is a very important part of this team imo.
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"I still go through it in my head," Nowitzki said. "One of my last nights in Germany [last month], I was trying to go to sleep, but I couldn't. I was thinking about the free throw I missed [late in Game 3], about different situations that happened in that series. I'll never forget it. It's going to stay in my mind until we win it all." |
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A good passer will do, as long as he is a passer. Doesnt literally need to be a great one at that.
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LA vs Utah:
Kobe Bryant played 28 minutes and scored a team-high 15 points on 4-for-16 shooting - including an airball from the top of the 3-point arc with 1:52 left in the third and Los Angeles trailing 72-54. The two-time defending NBA scoring champ missed his first eight field goal attempts before ending the drought on a 16-footer with 4:08 left in the first half. He sat out the fourth quarter. [I love throwing rocks at hornets nests...]
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Maybe we can get him for Ager
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I'll take a bucket of rocks for Ager.
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