GDT Game 61 - Mavs (18-42) vs Pacers (34-25) 7:30pm FSSW - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Underdog · 02-26-2018, 09:06 AM

Everyone at the bottom is playing tonight, gotta keep the tank alive, hope we move "up."

Underdog · 02-26-2018, 10:33 AM

@bobbykaralla: Nerlens Noel is currently listed as questionable for tonight's game against the Pacers. Noel hasn't played since Nov. 22 and has been inactive since Dec. 7.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-26-2018, 10:49 AM

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@bobbykaralla: Nerlens Noel is currently listed as questionable for tonight's game against the Pacers. Noel hasn't played since Nov. 22 and has been inactive since Dec. 7.

Well hot dog!

SMC0007 · 02-26-2018, 03:53 PM

Noel wouldn't be playing even if he were 120% good to go.

CGM · 02-26-2018, 06:05 PM

It is impossible for the Mavs to lose three in a row, and even more impossible, at home. No matter if the tank has been summoned and that Oladipuss plays tonight, the Mavs win!

Mavs - 100
Indianotters - 92

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-26-2018, 07:21 PM

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Noel wouldn't be playing even if he were 120% good to go.

According to Bobby Karalla on Twitter, Carlisle is quoted as saying Noel could play Wednesday:

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Rick Carlisle said Nerlens Noel will not play tonight. There's a chance he'll play Wednesday. Noel has been practicing but Carlisle wants him to get at least one more day of work before returning.

Underdog · 02-26-2018, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Magnum_3_Ball

According to Bobby Karalla on Twitter, Carlisle is quoted as saying Noel could play Wednesday:

Huh, I wouldn't be surprised if "Noel could play in a game or two" becomes the new "Curry will be healthy in a week or two."

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-26-2018, 09:41 PM

Over/under on combined minutes for Kleber, Mejri, Collinsworth, Motley, Jones, and Hopson? Because with one half in the books we're on pace for the under on 24.5 combined minutes between those 6 players.

Underdog · 02-26-2018, 09:46 PM

Hope you guys like wins.

Scoobay · 02-26-2018, 10:32 PM

Damn Barea can’t be stopped

Skywalker · 02-26-2018, 10:32 PM

One of those days tbh

CGM · 02-26-2018, 10:33 PM

JJ: The Otter Killer!

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-26-2018, 10:36 PM

Man... so many close calls tonight. PHX stayed with NO all night, was leading a lot of the 3rd quarter even, ORL was within a possession or two of OKC all night... and the Mavs aren't even trying to tank this game.

I only have 2 words to say, they're aimed towards Rick Carlisle, and they're not pleasant.

CGM · 02-26-2018, 10:42 PM

...so JJ leaves, and the tank roars....

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-26-2018, 10:46 PM

I hate JJ Barea. I've hated him since he cost us the loss vs SAC, which he was on the injury report prior to that game.

If this were Memphis, Barea would still be out of the lineup with lingering effects from that injury.

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-26-2018, 10:56 PM

I really, REALLY hate JJ Barea now. Like I'm openly rooting for him to break his ankle, his leg, tear his ACL, and I don't really care if it ends his career or not.

Really, really, really HATE that dude.

tap2390 · 02-26-2018, 10:57 PM

I've chastised M3B for his tank-at-all-costs mentality before, but he's dead on. There's no reason for JJ to play 26 minutes. Him and McDermott really killed our tank and we need every loss.

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-26-2018, 10:59 PM

Congratulations Carlisle!

I hope you enjoy missing the playoffs with Miles Bridges next year. I'm sure he'll fit in very nicely here.

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-26-2018, 11:02 PM

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Over/under on combined minutes for Kleber, Mejri, Collinsworth, Motley, Jones, and Hopson? Because with one half in the books we're on pace for the under on 24.5 combined minutes between those 6 players.

18 minutes the final tally. Mejri played 5 min in the 2nd half. Everyone else on that list rode the bench.

Well played, Carlisle.

If I were Cuban, I'd fire Carlisle, and I'm not kidding. At all.

BPo001 · 02-26-2018, 11:02 PM

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I really, REALLY hate JJ Barea now. Like I'm openly rooting for him to break his ankle, his leg, tear his ACL, and I don't really care if it ends his career or not.

Really, really, really HATE that dude.

You sure you're a Mavs fan? I understand wanting to lose games, but to be openly rooting and hoping for JJ, one of guys who has played his ass off for this organization and always done things the right way, to end his career because he played well and contributed to us winning a game is pretty low.

Skywalker · 02-26-2018, 11:04 PM

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I hate JJ Barea. I've hated him since he cost us the loss vs SAC, which he was on the injury report prior to that game.

If this were Memphis, Barea would still be out of the lineup with lingering effects from that injury.

Chill dude. It's not on the players to tank. Nor is it on the coach. They're there to compete.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-26-2018, 11:13 PM

Magnum has been trolling since he got here (surprise!), but at the same time it's hard not to be upset at Barea still being on the team. What good is it to get wins from a 33 year old pg who really has no future impact on the team?

After a near catastrophic week, the only thing worse is winning games here on out.

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-26-2018, 11:20 PM

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You sure you're a Mavs fan? I understand wanting to lose games, but to be openly rooting and hoping for JJ, one of guys who has played his ass off for this organization and always done things the right way, to end his career because he played well and contributed to us winning a game is pretty low.

I don't give a flying F about JJ Barea. I care about getting the highest possible draft pick in this year's draft.

Are you sure you're a Mavs fan? You're basically saying let's not have an All Star player for the next 10 years. You expect the Mavs to retain their fan base while players like JJ Barea, who nobody wants, keep pushing the Mavs to 30-35 wins, just out of the playoffs & too far away to draft a player that makes a difference for the next 5 years...

You really think that's best for the health of the organization?

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-26-2018, 11:23 PM

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Chill dude. It's not on the players to tank. Nor is it on the coach. They're there to compete.

Chill?

That's what people told me on here after the Sacramento game, when we did play the young guys down the stretch vs the Clippers.

"Chill dude. We're tanking now. We're going to tank after the break & everything is going to be fine."

B.S. this organization doesn't know what it wants to do. Literally, they are not on the same page.

This is what the mid 90s Mavericks looked & felt like. Chaos & disorganization.

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-26-2018, 11:41 PM

Flipping Mark Followill, who is one of the most open about chastising fans for cheering for losses, says (speaking about how long it'll take for DSJ to learn off the ball skills), "A long time. What was John Wall in the league 3 years before the Wizards more than 20 games. I think his first 3 years in this league were 23, 20, and 29 wins. Hopefully it doesn't take the Mavs that long..."

Hopefully???

Hopefully it's not 10 years. You don't put in a 33 year old, pint size, back up PG to take on meaningless wins & kiss your only chance at a top draft pick away & then things are "hopefully" going to get better. You're out of flipping mind.

There's a cost to losing enough to get DeAndre Ayton or another top overall talent, and that cost is tanking...

But sure let's watch all of our lovable, cuddly Mavs players like Barea & Yogi win some games for us for the Lulz, for the warm fuzzies & take us from a top 3 draft pick to the 8th pick & let's watch Memphis draft Ayton and kick our ass with him for the next 15 years. Hell, we lived through it once with Duncan, what's another 15 years?

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-26-2018, 11:58 PM

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Damn Barea can’t be stopped

The front office could of stopped him prior to February 8th.

Think about it this way. Barea cost us a loss vs SAC on Feb 3rd, cost us the loss tonight, and will no doubt cost us another loss or two before the year is out.

Come draft night, when we're drafting 9th, and the guy we want is available with the 4th pick, will the team with the 4th pick trade places with us if we give them JJ Barea???

Front office should of traded him for a bag of used jock straps. Who cares. His ass should of been out of here.

Bryan_Wilson · 02-27-2018, 04:08 AM

Watched this one late. Really disappointed that we are not playing Motley and extremely pissed that JJ is still playing 25+ mins. The dude needs to play 15-18 period. We would have likely lost at least to memphis okc sac pels and now this one to the pacers if he wasn't playing so much. That's at least 5 wins that he's been a huge part of. Even if 3 of those are losses that's the difference between 6th and 1st right now. And if we did lose all 5 of those that's a comfortable lead on the 1st pick.

tap2390 · 02-27-2018, 07:18 AM

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...tion-team-tank

Looking at the post game quotes, it seems we can put this win squarely on Cuban’s shoulders. Carlisle called it a must win game. Dirk and Barnes both referred to Cuban’s comments and dismissed them. Sometimes you just have to learn when to stfu and keep things in the back channels.

Bryan_Wilson · 02-27-2018, 08:02 AM

I love Dirk. He and Barnes are saying the right things as leaders and all. But I'm not sure how playing young guys more minutes and decreasing vet mins is teaching the young players how to quit and not play hard. Nobody ever said they should intentionally lose games by quitting. Just stop playing the vets all the minutes and giving young guys DNP-CD's. I'm pretty sure the young guys will be trying to win just as much as other players.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-27-2018, 08:52 AM

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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...tion-team-tank

Looking at the post game quotes, it seems we can put this win squarely on Cuban’s shoulders. Carlisle called it a must win game. Dirk and Barnes both referred to Cuban’s comments and dismissed them. Sometimes you just have to learn when to stfu and keep things in the back channels.

Exactly. This is 100% on Cuban's dumbass shoulders for making those comments. Who knows if Silver didn't threaten him further if his team kept purposely losing.

SMC0007 · 02-27-2018, 09:21 AM

There's a fine line between tanking and letting the young guys get plenty of minutes in a throw away season. RC, Donnie and Mark should have already been on the same page about this. We have been in a lose now situation for a while. Yet we roll out the small ball garbage that rarely works unless they are on fire. Meanwhile Motley and Jalen Jones are ballin in the g league and they both have good size and potential. We are wasting the opportunity to learn if they are worth a shot going forward.

The upside is that Powell is usable and getting better aside from a consistent mid or perimeter shot. Douggy McD is looking solid. Yogi looks like a damn good back up.

Skywalker · 02-27-2018, 09:23 AM

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Chill?

That's what people told me on here after the Sacramento game, when we did play the young guys down the stretch vs the Clippers.

"Chill dude. We're tanking now. We're going to tank after the break & everything is going to be fine."

B.S. this organization doesn't know what it wants to do. Literally, they are not on the same page.

This is what the mid 90s Mavericks looked & felt like. Chaos & disorganization.

Chill with the hate towards JJB. Or any player really.

At this point I'm team tank as much as anyone but you can't fault them for doing their job. Blame the FO for not trading him if anything. And Cuban for that retarded tank comment which probably only served to motivate the team tbh.

Scoobay · 02-27-2018, 09:24 AM

FWIW - I love Barea. he's a guy that in short stretches can really take over a game. When he's on, he's hitting shots, making the right pass, in general leading the offensive charge. Not many guys in his tier of player that you can say the same thing about.

And I'm happy for him that he's having such a great year. I love how he's the smallest guy on the court but has the balls to mix it up with wanna-be superstars like Russ and Blake. I love how he punked the lakers and Bynum couldn't take it and basically ended his career there walking off the court without a shirt and his tail between his legs.

I'm all in for the tank and it's frustrating to win when we hope to lose. looking at box scores and aftermath of the games makes me wanna scream to sit his butt down, but as a fan and actually watching the games, it's hard to root against him.

SMC0007 · 02-27-2018, 09:43 AM

The only time I was willing to deal with the fact that we would win was when Joseph fouled Powell on that late rebound and then pulled him back down when he got up and somehow Powell got a tech too.

saclare · 02-27-2018, 11:23 AM

I kept saying Barea is the guy to trade. I'm still befuddled that no contending team thought he couldn't help their bench for a 2nd rounder.

However, I'll back up those saying that in no way, shape, or form should we be mad at the friggin' players. And even Carlisle for that matter, especially after Cuban's dumbassery.

It is Cuban and Donnie that any hate should be directed. I wouldn't want players on this team who purposely lose, tanking season or not. Cuban and Donnie can be on that same page and make moves without Carlisle, or even Dirk's approval.

texasbball · 02-27-2018, 01:13 PM

The Mavs are now officially in the "we're going to be bad for a decade or longer mode", I'm afraid. They may indeed win to try to stave off the league. The biggest problem is that there may still be ramifications for the sex stuff coming. And Cuban's mouth didn't help. But,while I have disagreements with him, he's still been a great owner. The NFL has gotten Jones, and now the Sex Mavs and Cuban's ill-timed remark wouldn't surprise me if they pull the first round pick. IF they start trying to win games more, with desperation, then they may see the writing on the wall. Making the pick less valuable. I pray not.

mac222b · 02-27-2018, 03:18 PM

I don't think they're taking the pick. I do think RC views Cuban's comments as undermining his authority, and in a way he's right. It seems like there has been a shift to Rick playing his vets and playing to win and taking his locker room authority back from assclown cuban.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-27-2018, 04:46 PM

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I don't think they're taking the pick. I do think RC views Cuban's comments as undermining his authority, and in a way he's right. It seems like there has been a shift to Rick playing his vets and playing to win and taking his locker room authority back from assclown cuban.

But all that does is hurt the team. Playing the vets is the absolute worse thing that could happen.

mac222b · 02-27-2018, 04:56 PM

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But all that does is hurt the team. Playing the vets is the absolute worse thing that could happen.

Oh I 100% agree. I'm not one for moral victories. Its just my (and many others I'm sure) interpretation of what transpired. We'll see if we continue playing to win. God I hope not

Underdog · 02-27-2018, 04:57 PM

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Oh I 100% agree. I'm not one for moral victories. Its just my (and many others I'm sure) interpretation of what transpired. We'll see if we continue playing to win. God I hope not

Yeah, point made... Now let's get this season back on track.