Diop for Felton in 3 team trade?

[chumdawg]

Remember how Cuban vetoed a deal because it was leaked?

[BGMaverick9]

I still think a part of it finds a way to get down, I think they'll just wait til DJ comes back healthy.

Stack for Watson would've happened?

[twistaeffect2004]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I still think a part of it finds a way to get down, I think they'll just wait til DJ comes back healthy.

Stack for Watson would've happened?

Lets hope so dude. The trade makes too much sense not to go down from the Mavs perspective.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by twistaeffect2004

Lets hope so dude. The trade makes too much sense not to go down from the Mavs perspective.

I don't see why it wouldn't..."dormant" just means in a suspension or something like that. Now if there was another major issue other than the injury, then that might be a problem but Stein didn't go into more detail.

The only thing that doesn't make sense is May and it stinks that we use Stack for this deal, but oh well...it's the trade-off of Diop's deal.

[xavier]

This deal is now dormant...........

Here is the link: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3826213

[mac222b]

That trade would be quite the coup. It would give us a month to trade Kidd and half a year to get used to Felton and build chemistry. If we don't like what we're offered for Kidd then Felton can play some 2 and back him up at pg and improve our depth and bench scoring. And we would be in the driver's seat to re-sign Felton this summer. If we could pull this off it would be a huge 1st step to reshaping our roster. I wish DJ Augustine a speedy Dirk-like recovery!

[bobatundi]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Remember how Cuban vetoed a deal because it was leaked?

I have that worry too...but didn't Stein report on the Kidd deal before it became public, too? Marc Stein has more credibility, especially with regards to the Mavs, than anyone else on ESPN (or any of its competitors).

[Dirkenstien]

I'm actually kind of glad the deal hasn't gone through. I just don't see what Felton's place on this team would be. Unless it is part of a bigger deal down the line I'm just not sure of the direction our FO is going, not to mention our front court would again become the weakest link of this team.

There's always a chance it could still happen but this move looks like we'd essentally be throwing in the towel while banking on 2010. I guess I'm more discouraged and depressed about the failure this team has become than anything else.

[SMC0007]

Yeah Felton is up and coming but not sure he is much different than JET in regards to being able to play SG. His numbers are good but this deal alone obviously isn't doing very much for us now.

[bobatundi]

Not sure I see how is getting rid of Diop's 3 mpg makes our front court any weaker than it already is? Felton gives us a future starter at PG at best; at worst, his contract is WAY more palatable than Diop's. With Felton in place, if the right deal came along for Kidd's expiring, we could pull the trigger this year; otherwise, we'd still be able to let him walk (to the Knicks?) this summer and free up serious cap room for 2010.

[Dirkenstien]

Originally Posted by bobatundi

Not sure I see how is getting rid of Diop's 3 mpg makes our front court any weaker than it already is? Felton gives us a future starter at PG at best; at worst, his contract is WAY more palatable than Diop's. With Felton in place, if the right deal came along for Kidd's expiring, we could pull the trigger this year; otherwise, we'd still be able to let him walk (to the Knicks?) this summer and free up serious cap room for 2010.

If a deal comes along involving Kidd that really makes that much sense then I doubt we'd not do it just becuse we didn't have a starting caliber PG in place. Barea and Terry could more than handle the job at hand. Also, as bad as Diop has been this season he is still a young 7 footer who should be serviceable throughout his entire contract. Yeah, he's overpaid but so are about 95% of all centers in the NBA.

Right now the proposed deal for Felton looks like us making a deal just to make a deal. I don't see where the FO is going with it but hopefully they have something in mind.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

If a deal comes along involving Kidd that really makes that much sense then I doubt we'd not do it just becuse we didn't have a starting caliber PG in place. Barea and Terry could more than handle the job at hand. Also, as bad as Diop has been this season he is still a young 7 footer who should be serviceable throughout his entire contract. Yeah, he's overpaid but so are about 95% of all centers in the NBA.

Right now the proposed deal for Felton looks like us making a deal just to make a deal. I don't see where the FO is going with it but hopefully they have something in mind.

haha, yeah or not!

Maybe the Kidd, Harris masterpiece is still unravelling!! This has all been one big part of a major move(s) that just takes time.

[bobatundi]

Do you really want JJ Barea as your starting PG? Having Felton gives the FO the flexibility to move Kidd or let him expire. I think Diop has peaked--and it's barely a molehill.

[Dirkenstien]

Originally Posted by bobatundi

Do you really want JJ Barea as your starting PG? Having Felton gives the FO the flexibility to move Kidd or let him expire. I think Diop has peaked--and it's barely a molehill.

My point is I think Dallas already has that flexibility. Plus, Felton will be a restricted FA in the off-season and will be seeking a long term contract that is probably around the Diop pay range so I'm not convinced we'd really be saving any significant amount of money.

[mac222b]

But Felton could turn out to be a bargain at 7+ mil a year. He can break down defenders and defend. He's a little smallish and isn't a consistent shooter but he cares and is a good teammate and sometimes it takes point guards a few years to "get it" (steve nash?). Diop is easily replaceable. The Diop of 3 yrs. ago wasn't. This current version brings next to nothing to the table except a large contract. Doing this deal would be a sort of do over in that we can pretend we signed Felton to the midlevel instead of Diop. Unfortunately this deal will probably also cost us Stackhouse so not really.

[BGMaverick9]

To me, it easily boils down to the fact I don't see Diop really doing anything for us on a consistent basis. I don't see him really even getting borderline consistent, just maybe ever so slightly better than where he is now. So the sooner you can get out of that contract, the better...to get even more flexibility at the guard position and cap-wise...it's a win-win.

[dalmations202]

If you are going to go as far as this, Why not talk the four teams into this one ??? and George. (Williams might have to be changed with George)

Successful Trade Scenario


Due to L.A. Clippers, Charlotte, Dallas and Oklahoma City being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. L.A. Clippers, Charlotte, Dallas and Oklahoma City had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Trade ID #4924090

L.A. Clippers Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +4.2 ppg, -4.4 rpg, and -0.1 apg.
Incoming Players
Josh Howard
6-5 SG / SF from Wake Forrest
18.1 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 32.5 minutes
Outgoing Players
Chris Kaman
7-0 C from Central Michigan
13.9 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 1.9 apg in 35.5 minutes

Charlotte Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -21.6 ppg, -5.8 rpg, and -2.1 apg.
Incoming Players
DeSagana Diop
7-0 PF from
1.7 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.4 apg in 13.4 minutes
Devean George
6-8 SF from Augsburg-MN
4.3 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.3 apg in 20.4 minutes
Earl Watson
6-1 PG from UCLA
6.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 6.2 apg in 26.4 minutes
Outgoing Players
Sean May
6-9 PF from North Carolina
4.3 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 0.6 apg in 15.0 minutes
Raymond Felton
6-0 PG from North Carolina
13.2 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 6.1 apg in 37.1 minutes
Gerald Wallace
6-7 SG / SF from Alabama
16.1 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 2.3 apg in 37.3 minutes

Dallas Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +13.3 ppg, +7.9 rpg, and +7.0 apg.
Incoming Players
Chris Kaman
7-0 C from Central Michigan
13.9 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 1.9 apg in 35.5 minutes
Raymond Felton
6-0 PG from North Carolina
13.2 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 6.1 apg in 37.1 minutes
Gerald Wallace
6-7 SG / SF from Alabama
16.1 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 2.3 apg in 37.3 minutes
Joe Smith
6-10 PF from Maryland
6.7 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 0.6 apg in 19.5 minutes
Outgoing Players
Brandon Bass
6-8 PF from Lousiana State
7.8 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 0.4 apg in 18.5 minutes
DeSagana Diop
7-0 PF from
1.7 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.4 apg in 13.4 minutes
Devean George
6-8 SF from Augsburg-MN
4.3 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.3 apg in 20.4 minutes
Jerry Stackhouse
6-6 SG / SF from North Carolina
4.7 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 15.6 minutes
Josh Howard
6-5 SG / SF from Wake Forrest
18.1 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 32.5 minutes

Oklahoma City Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +4.1 ppg, +2.3 rpg, and -4.8 apg.
Incoming Players
Sean May
6-9 PF from North Carolina
4.3 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 0.6 apg in 15.0 minutes
Brandon Bass
6-8 PF from Lousiana State
7.8 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 0.4 apg in 18.5 minutes
Jerry Stackhouse
6-6 SG / SF from North Carolina
4.7 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 15.6 minutes
Outgoing Players
Joe Smith
6-10 PF from Maryland
6.7 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 0.6 apg in 19.5 minutes
Earl Watson
6-1 PG from UCLA
6.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 6.2 apg in 26.4 minutes

OKC clears lots of space, maybe a starter in Bass or May.
Charlotte gets rid of May, gains the defensive C, and moves Wallace's long contract.
LAC gets more of what they need for that team.
Dal gets the Biggest bill, and the most talent -- and hopefully and attitude change.

Kidd, Felton, JJB
Terry, Wright
Wallace, Green, Williams
Dirk, Smith, Singleton
Kaman, Damp.


Thoughts?

[mac222b]

It looks great for Dallas but i think we're getting too much in that deal. We could contend with that roster. I just don't see how we wind up with 3 of the 4 best players in the deal.

[SMC0007]

I hate JET starting, regardless who else is on the floor.

I would pull the trigger tho.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by dalmations202

Kidd, Felton, JJB
Terry, Wright
Wallace, Green, Williams
Dirk, Smith, Singleton
Kaman, Damp.


Thoughts?

I'd do it in a heartbeat!


(too bad I don't have the authority...)

[Kidd Karma]

Newest reports on this 3 way deal is that OKC and Dallas were fighting over Felton. With Westbrook....then again with Kidd don't see what their strangling each other over Felton. I don't know maybe to milk an extra pick from each other.

I would love that 4 way to roll through. Kaman and Wallace!!! We would still have Wright or Green battling for that 2 spot and some time behind Wallace. Bring Terry off the pine after 6. It'd be an upgrade.

[SeriousSummer]

Charlotte gets completely hosed in the four-way proposal.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by SeriousSummer

Charlotte gets completely hosed in the four-way proposal.

No, that's what Larry Brown wants, steady solid, veterans on and off the court. They need leadership. Haha, someone needed to if we're getting Kaman AND Wallace.

[Robillion]

Wallace is a great defensive player... I keep wondering why they would would to let him go. Either way, I definitely think they would want more back than what they would get in that four way trade.

From reports lately, I think Camby could be obtained for cheap. Possibly cheap enough where Howard could be dealt for Wallace, Diop for Felton, and others for Camby.

[alby]

I would love Wallace and Camby. Our team would be so athletic/long.

[ghazi]

I would love lebron james. our team would be so GOOD.

[MaVs 41 BaLler]

Originally Posted by ghazi

I would love lebron james. our team would be so GOOD.

ohh dang that must of taken time to think off

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by dalmations202

Kidd, Felton, JJB
Terry, Wright
Wallace, Green, Williams
Dirk, Smith, Singleton
Kaman, Damp.


Thoughts?

I'd be happy with Felton and Smith, adding Kaman is icing on the cake.

If Felton can hold the offense up and provide some scoring as well, that can help calm the issues about starting Jet. I don't know how he would do in the SG spot.

[BGMaverick9]

Some Charlotte/Felton info, mainly some more about the kind of person/player he is.

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_th...in-felton.html

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/423/story/468885.html

[MaVs 41 BaLler]

Stackhouse to OKC along with 2nd round pick?


Felton in demand, but trade on hold

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- A three-team trade that would send Raymond Felton from Charlotte to Dallas is on hold partly because of D.J. Augustin's injury and could take a different form when it's revived in a week or so. That's because both the Mavericks and the third team, Oklahoma City, wanted Felton in the deal.

The key pieces involved were Felton going to Dallas, Earl Watson and DeSagana Diop to Charlotte, and Jerry Stackhouse from Dallas to Oklahoma City along with a second-round pick, according to a person with knowledge of the agreed-upon parameters. Talks cooled last week when Charlotte point guard D.J. Augustin was shelved for 10 days with an abdominal injury, making coach Larry Brown and G.M. Rod Higgins reluctant to part with Felton, who will be a restricted free agent after the season. But even before Augustin's injury, there was not complete agreement as to which team would be getting Felton, who has also been rumored to be going to Golden State in a proposal that died on the rumor mill. There was reluctance in some segments of the Warriors' front office to part with one of the team's young forwards, Anthony Randolph or Brandan Wright.

The Thunder, playing in New Jersey Monday night, are believed to have been planning to buy out Stackhouse after the trade. Stackhouse's $7.25 million contract for next season includes only $2 million guaranteed. So Oklahoma City, clearing cap space and assembling young assets under G.M. Sam Presti, would have another draft pick to add to its growing arsenal and would get Watson's $6.6 million contract off the books for 2009-10 at a fraction of the cost. Charlotte would get the defensive-minded big man (Diop) Brown has craved. Dallas would get another bench scorer and a potential successor to Jason Kidd at point guard.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/e...38893/12910302

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Ugh I hope it happens, but it feels like it's dead for now. I'd honestly consider throwing in Barea too since he won't get too many minutes behind Kidd/Felton. I could see OKC demanding something else if there is a fight over who gets Felton.

[BGMaverick9]

I'm not sure I'm sold on the fact that OKC openly wants Felton, especially as a PG. The only way I see it is as a plug-in for a year or two and then let him go for the cap space.

I dunno...I don't think it's dead.

Edit: even reading some OKC stuff just now, nothing screams out that the Thunder are on the hunt for Felton.

[jthig32]

What on earth would the Thunder want Felton for?

[rabbitproof]

Just trying to get more outta the deal. Cash. More picks...

[Dirkenstien]

If they want him that bad then let them have him. We don't need him bad enough to give in to giving more away.

Another option is for Charlotte and Dallas to find another trading partner or simply agree on a trade involving just themselves.

[Thomas86]

If the Thunder buyout Stackhouse and he pulls a Michael Finley and signs with the Spurs I'm going to be pissed.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

If they want him that bad then let them have him. We don't need him bad enough to give in to giving more away.

Another option is for Charlotte and Dallas to find another trading partner or simply agree on a trade involving just themselves.

If a PG is something they (Charlotte) wants in return, off the top of my head I can't think of a team that has a nice situation with the PG spot and they just want some cap space. Also the PG has to be nice, but not great since Charlotte looks ready to run with DJ.

[Robillion]

Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

If they want him that bad then let them have him. We don't need him bad enough to give in to giving more away.

Another option is for Charlotte and Dallas to find another trading partner or simply agree on a trade involving just themselves.

Id rather do a trade just with with Charlotte if we could somehow net Wallace as well.. The reason OKC is involved is for the backup PG position. Sooo Id push this:

Trade Breakdown
Incoming Dallas/Outgoing Charlotte
Raymond Felton
Adam Morrison
Nazr Mohammed
Gerald Wallace
Outgoing Dallas/Incoming Charlotte
Jerry Stackhouse
DeSagana Diop
Jose Barea
Josh Howard

Charlotte would be rid of most of the players they are shopping, they get the new offense in Howard, quality backup PG, defensive minded center, and expiring contract. If it came down to it, Id even offer Bass and take May off their hands, but Id rather not. Felton can be trained to take over the PG helm, and then Kidd can be traded for a quality big man.

[Thomas86]

Raymond Felton had 23 Pts, 6 Rebs, 9 Assists vs. the Pistons now just imagine what he could do in Rick Carlisle system.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by Thomas86

Raymond Felton had 23 Pts, 6 Rebs, 9 Assists vs. the Pistons now just imagine what he could do in Rick Carlisle system.

One night does not define a player...but it is nice.