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According to his IG looks like Cuban is in NY. He just posted a photo of himself at a gym.
Chain himself to the garden so Brunson will change his mind?
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Sources said the Mavs are willing to give Brunson a five-year contract ? which only Dallas can offer due to owning his Bird rights ? that is comparable to the four-year, $85 million deal guard Fred VanVleet signed with the Toronto Raptors in 2020. ? via Tim MacMahon @ ESPN
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Sources said the Mavs are willing to give Brunson a five-year contract ? which only Dallas can offer due to owning his Bird rights ? that is comparable to the four-year, $85 million deal guard Fred VanVleet signed with the Toronto Raptors in 2020. ? via Tim MacMahon @ ESPN
Huh?

Oh and so much for the lead guard stuff...

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This is the fun part people.

Let's see what Nico can do.

I'm still not too concerned about JB leaving.
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Huh?

Oh and so much for the lead guard stuff...

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/st...07196132327425
I?m guessing there is no way to make this a 3 team deal where maybe we get/give something to/from SA?

NYK going to give up our 2023 pick + 3 more 1st for Murray? I thought I read they were asking for 4 1sts for Murray.
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"The Knicks are trading center Nerlens Noel and guard Alec Burks to the Pistons, sources tell ESPN. The Knicks will unload $19M more in salary, clearing the way for cap space to try and sign free agent guard Jalen Brunson."


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Noel, Burks, 2 2nd round picks, $6 million in cash?.

Not to mention the draft day trades, the Knicks have done a lot to clear space for JB. He gone and we just lost any leverage for a SNT. But holy shit, they?re treating JB like he?s a Kyrie-level talent (spoiler alert, he isn?t).
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"The Knicks are trading center Nerlens Noel and guard Alec Burks to the Pistons, sources tell ESPN. The Knicks will unload $19M more in salary, clearing the way for cap space to try and sign free agent guard Jalen Brunson."


*sigh* We're boned.
I can understand not wanting Noel, but man Burks seems ideal. Major fail.
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F Brunson. This is some Brutus shit as far as I'm concerned. Sure, the Mavs didn't extend you to lesser money (not that anyone is positive you would have taken that anyway), but you still did us dirty. You are dead to me.

And pure tampering all around, but the league will do nothing as usual.
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This is the fun part people.

Let's see what Nico can do.

I'm still not too concerned about JB leaving.
I want to have your optimism. I really, really do. So may I ask why you're not concerned?

Because the way I see it, yeah it's a huge overpay to keep Brunson, but we have no cap space and very little in the way of trade assets. So- to the Mavericks at least- he is virtually irreplaceable.
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TMac reporting Mavs best offer would be 22 per over 5 years. While that may piss some off, I don't think it really mattered if Brunson was going to the Knicks anyway. Like even if we offered him 30, doubt he stays.

Just a crappy day. Oh well.
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This is the fun part people.

Let's see what Nico can do.

I'm still not too concerned about JB leaving.
The fact that they couldn't work out a S&T is a moderately concerning part. Like I feel Cuban just acts childishly in these instances and won't play ball only to hurt his own team. Noel, Burks and a few 2nds isn't great, but it's better than nothing.
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Why didnt we just take Burks? Losing him for nothing???? Dumb
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Wouldn?t it still be in knicks interest to trade something back to us? If they use up most their cap signing Brunson do they really think they are a good team? Didn?t they just trade away 3-4 players?
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I don?t think it?s fair to assume the same deal was available to the Mavs in a sign and trade. This was all about leverage. If the Knicks had to play ball with the Mavs then we would?ve held out for Quickley or Grimes?. Knicks preempted that situation.
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Completely fair to give JB the finger on his way out. No way Knicks are aggressively clearing this much space unless they?ve known for a while he was headed their way. Leon Rose overpays JB, and then Leon Rose?s son (JB?s agent) and JB?s dad reap the benefits. For all the talk of JB becoming his own man, he did exactly what his dad and his agent wanted while giving up a better shot to compete for a championship. Don?t let the door hit ya.
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This off-season started off so positively. This really takes the wind out of our sails. It?ll be interesting to see how this staff rebounds from this. Losing a guy like Brunson for nothing is really a kick to the teeth especially since we really have no trade chips nor money to get better at this point. We are who we are.
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Off-season isn?t over yet

Can?t let the blatant tampering get us to forget that we haven?t even started free agency
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This off-season started off so positively. This really takes the wind out of our sails. It?ll be interesting to see how this staff rebounds from this. Losing a guy like Brunson for nothing is really a kick to the teeth especially since we really have no trade chips nor money to get better at this point. We are who we are.
Disaster in every aspect. He came to Them during season saying will sign 4 for 55 and you say no???? Cuban is an idiot. Inept and inexcusable

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Noel, Burks, 2 2nd round picks, $6 million in cash?.

Not to mention the draft day trades, the Knicks have done a lot to clear space for JB. He gone and we just lost any leverage for a SNT. But holy shit, they?re treating JB like he?s a Kyrie-level talent (spoiler alert, he isn?t).
Damn. Wish the Knicks would have waited and offered that package to us for JB. Certainly looks like he?s gone, but it?s not the first time the Knicks have cleared out space for a star (or 2 KD/Irving). I was just looking up Burks because I?m not familiar with him. Good size and shoots well from 3. Really bummed that all signs point to us losing our 2nd best player and get nada in return.

Based off comments on IG and Reddit Knicks fans are less than thrilled to be paying JB $20+ million per year. I?ll always root for Brunson (I?m a Villanova fan), but the way this situation is unfolding will leave a bad taste. Guess we have to bank on THJ and Wood to pickup the slack on offense.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/_917zach/...29043766628352

This some truly obvious tampering

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I don?t think it?s fair to assume the same deal was available to the Mavs in a sign and trade. This was all about leverage. If the Knicks had to play ball with the Mavs then we would?ve held out for Quickley or Grimes?. Knicks preempted that situation.
Dude they nuked their situation. Even if the Mavs had held out for something a little better there is no way it turns out like what they just did.

There is still so much to unravel here, and no way Cuban comes out looking good.

Like I was pretty excited to see what Nico and company could do, but I just am not sure they understand how FA works sometimes. Like it worries me what will happen with Wood if he plays well.
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Think gotta reset now. Try dump thj/and other bad contracts for someone like Westbrook. Need try get under cap h3ll and have some $ next few season. Horrible.
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Think gotta reset now. Try dump thj/and other bad contracts for someone like Westbrook. Need try get under cap h3ll and have some $ next few season. Horrible.
Dear god, no f**king thank you on Westbrook.
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Dear god, no f**king thank you on Westbrook.
Same but he means as an expiring contract so we can have cap space next year. I have no faith in us using cap space for good players though and plus we just made the WCF losing Brunson doesn't make us a lottery team.

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Would be awful for a year, but it would clear a lot of salary. And Cuban loves him some salary clearing.
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Rental one year. His contract up. We likely not good enough this coming year. Need be able shed salary so can get free agents.
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Westbrook needs the ball, Luka is towards the top of the league in usage. It would be fugly.
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Rental one year. His contract up. We likely not good enough this coming year. Need be able shed salary so can get free agents.
Plan powder worked out so well for us.

But I know we got Luka now, I'm not sure he's a big FA attraction though.
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Huh?

Oh and so much for the lead guard stuff...

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/st...07196132327425
They must be high how on earth do they plan on getting Murray from them unless they are offering multiple 1sts for him? Which I guess is the plan....but then it goes back to how much money can they even offer?
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*sigh* We're boned.
Those assholes...at this point I wish we'd do something to prevent them from giving up something to get Brunson.....
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Not even for a one year rental. Hard pass. And the Mavericks have never, ever, ever been a free agent destination. FFS, we can't even keep OUR OWN free agents. So deliberately blowing up our locker room to gamble in free agency is not a good plan.
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This is the fun part people.

Let's see what Nico can do.

I'm still not too concerned about JB leaving.
Might be a silly analogy but its not that I'm concerned with the loss of JB.......its like Aaron Rodgers....he can be down 21 points and I wouldn't be concerned that he can wield his team back in the game and win. Its just I'd rather not be down 21 points to begin with and make the W much easier. That's how I Feel about this offseason. Losing Brunson wouldn't be the end all because we did get Wood. But then Wood doesn't become a addition it becomes a swap. Sort of puts you right back where you were IMO.
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One of the long-expected NBA free agency deals made some headway Tuesday, and when free agency opens on Thursday, the New York Knicks are expected to present Jalen Brunson a four-year offer in the vicinity of $110 million, league sources told Yahoo Sports.
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F Brunson. This is some Brutus shit as far as I'm concerned. Sure, the Mavs didn't extend you to lesser money (not that anyone is positive you would have taken that anyway), but you still did us dirty. You are dead to me.

And pure tampering all around, but the league will do nothing as usual.
Well the good part for him is that the story is he tried to sign at a much cheaper deal. Whether its true or not....we know the Mavs could've got him wrapped up before now and didn't. They weren't loyal to him so he's deciding to do what's best for himself. Part of the game.
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So is it the Mavs CAN'T match it or they won't match it?
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Might be a silly analogy but its not that I'm concerned with the loss of JB.......its like Aaron Rodgers....he can be down 21 points and I wouldn't be concerned that he can wield his team back in the game and win. Its just I'd rather not be down 21 points to begin with and make the W much easier. That's how I Feel about this offseason. Losing Brunson wouldn't be the end all because we did get Wood. But then Wood doesn't become a addition it becomes a swap. Sort of puts you right back where you were IMO.
If we can find another quality ball handling guard to replace Brunson, then I'll have no problem letting him walk. But I just don't see it.

I hope to god Nico has some kind of ace up his sleeve that we don't know about. And I hope to god this is a calculated basketball decision, and not just Cuban being squeamish about the luxury tax.

Because if Cuban has decided he's not willing to go past a certain point into the tax, then the Mavs will never be contenders and are truly screwed.
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Westbrook needs the ball, Luka is towards the top of the league in usage. It would be fugly.
I'd make Westbrook a 6th man if he's down. If not then I Wouldn't be interested......not a great fit but the guy can still play defense and rebound. I'd be more interested in his contract than I would his skill though.
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Not even for a one year rental. Hard pass. And the Mavericks have never, ever, ever been a free agent destination. FFS, we can't even keep OUR OWN free agents. So deliberately blowing up our locker room to gamble in free agency is not a good plan.
I mean are we really considering Tim Hardaway Jr as "blowing it up"?
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If we can find another quality ball handling guard to replace Brunson, then I'll have no problem letting him walk. But I just don't see it.

I hope to god Nico has some kind of ace up his sleeve that we don't know about. And I hope to god this is a calculated basketball decision, and not just Cuban being squeamish about the luxury tax.

Because if Cuban has decided he's not willing to go past a certain point into the tax, then the Mavs will never be contenders and are truly screwed.
I'm not even that entirely sold on Brunson either. But I do like that he offered us a trade piece potentially. That's the only aspect that's going to hurt IMO. We lose him or nothing. Hell I was even for bringing in Noel and Reddish...seems that was too good to be true....and that isn't even all that great lol.
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