Lakers vs. Phoenix Thread - Page 16 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Male30Dan · 05-05-2006, 01:13 AM

Am I really watching Kenny talk about decorating his house??? Shoot me please.

rabbitproof · 05-05-2006, 02:22 AM

Man, hats off to the Suns. I really thought they were finished at 3-1 but they're defintely showing their heart. The scramble for the Thomas 3 was vintage helter-skelter Phoenix - shoot from outside til you make with an assist on top.

Lakers blew their chance. Suns take Game 7 without mercy.

vjz · 05-05-2006, 07:34 AM

Yup, the Lakers are done. Suns win Game 7 easily.

Nemesis · 05-05-2006, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by vjz

Yup, the Lakers are done. Suns win Game 7 easily.

That is what we thought about the Laker's in game 6..

WayOutWest · 05-05-2006, 08:49 AM

What a game by the Suns. They did everything they wanted. Lakers D was awful, putting the Susn in the bonus early way too many times. The TO's were a joke, careless and stupid plays by the Lakers.

My only complaint was Kobe's shot selection for the potential game winner, he should have gone to the rim or at least done more than watch the clock then hoist up a prayer.

Mad props to the Suns, momentum is on their side, game 7 should be in their back pocket.

dude1394 · 05-05-2006, 10:59 AM

It's a no-win situation for dirk fans.

Today's Foxsports:
Still doubt he's MVP?
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5572602

Or if the Lakers had won
Still doubt he SHOULD have been MVP?

Can they both lose?

dude1394 · 05-05-2006, 11:58 AM

I didn't know where to post this with all of the kobe-love going on so here it is.

Some folks have said that Raja flopped on the kobe elbow and the angle seems to show it...HOWEVER...this shows really the exact opposite.

It was definitely NOT a flop, the rapist catches him in the face with an elbow. I'm waiting for the flagrant. But I assume I'll be waiting just as long as the girl he raped for justice.

http://p073.ezboard.com/fdallasbaske...ID=20901.topic

bernardos70 · 05-05-2006, 12:42 PM

I see. So the elbow took place before the previous videoclip posted on this very thread.

Arne · 05-05-2006, 01:03 PM

I didn't see anything in that second clip, but if it did show how Raja got an elbow from Kobe, after he tried to act like he did get an elbow from Kobe a couple of plays before, than I find it kind of funny...

And for everyone who is on Raja's side on this one - check this one out, that was exactly as funny as Raja's action was:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0nIHCR--Bg&search=Mavs

dude1394 · 05-05-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Arne

I didn't see anything in that second clip, but if it did show how Raja got an elbow from Kobe, after he tried to act like he did get an elbow from Kobe a couple of plays before, than I find it kind of funny...

And for everyone who is on Raja's side on this one - check this one out, that was exactly as funny as Raja's action was:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0nIHCR--Bg&search=Mavs

Really? It's the same clip that has been posted here but from another angle. It looks pretty clear that he got an elbow from kobe, I was just posting it because the other clip was being used to call that play a flop job.

Arne · 05-05-2006, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Really? It's the same clip that has been posted here but from another angle. It looks pretty clear that he got an elbow from kobe, I was just posting it because the other clip was being used to call that play a flop job.

It doesn't really work for me, so I can't really tell. But the first clip clearly doesn't show any contact. The second ist just not working for me.

FreshJive · 05-06-2006, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Arne

And for everyone who is on Raja's side on this one - check this one out, that was exactly as funny as Raja's action was:

No it wasn't as funny, because it was unprovoked, and it was done to a DALLAS FN MAVERICK! There isn't an inkling of correlation.

orangedays · 05-05-2006, 01:28 PM

Wow - Nash, Najera, Nellie...

Makes me feel a bit nostalgic and reminds me how much I loved Nash as a Maverick.

orangedays · 05-05-2006, 01:56 PM

From dude's link:

EDIT:

Just noticed that Raja is shooting substantially better from beyond the arc (.429) than he is total (.404).

Geez.

dude1394 · 05-05-2006, 01:57 PM

So I read that barbossa also got 4 stitches from the rapist last night.

Rhylan · 05-05-2006, 02:22 PM

The telling thing about the video Erica posted is that after Kobe makes contact with Raja's jaw, what does he do? He swings the elbow again, trying for a second blow. He whiffed, and it's the video of that whiff that has everyone thinking Raja flopped.

So not only did he give Raja an elbow to the face, but he was pleased enough with himself that he tried to give him a second one.

vjz · 05-05-2006, 02:40 PM

Link

By Skip Bayless
Page 2

This series was over. It appeared that was what the league office wanted. What the refs wanted. What Kobe Bryant had willed.

No Raja Bell for Phoenix. No hope for the Suns.

Clear the Staples stage for L.A. vs. L.A., Lakers vs. Clippers, Jack Nicholson vs. Billy Crystal. Go ahead, Kobe, dismiss the Suns in Thursday night's close-out Game 6 the way you dissed "that kid" Raja in a Wednesday interview.

Kobe sniffed and said, "I don't even know that kid."

No? The "kid" who's two years older than you? The "kid" who had made you work harder for your points than any defender all season, including Ron Artest? The "kid" who, ironically, had made you start involving your teammates, which finally allowed you to go Steve Nash and boast that the Lakers are finally a team.

Oh, the royal-purple irony.

We should have known from Wednesday's rather childish "who-the-heck-is-he" reaction that the new Kobe was about to turn back into the old one. You know, the one Raja Bell called an "arrogant, pompous individual." The one who thinks he can outscore Phoenix by himself.

The one who fell ego-first into the Suns' trap on Thursday night at Staples Center. Kobe Bryant scored a career playoff high 50 points. The Lakers lost in overtime 126-118.

Justice prevailed.

I must admit, it has been a long time since I rooted harder for a team than I rooted for Nash's.

"We did this for Raja," Nash told TNT when it was over, knowing full well that the suspended Bell was watching on TV. Nash ended the interview with, "All right, Rah Rah."

Guess who'll be waiting Saturday in Phoenix for Kobe? Guess who'll be rested and revved for revenge? That kid.

Can't wait.

Remember the scene in "Caddyshack" in which Danny Noonan is running things until caddymaster Lou gets back, so Noonan is locked safely behind the screened-in counter of Lou's office? Noonan is mouthing off to tough-guy D'Annunzio because he's protected by the screen.

But Lou unexpectedly returns and shoos Noonan out of the office ... where D'Annunzio is waiting with fists clenched.

That's going to be Raja in Saturday's Game 7. That's Kobe Noonan.

And Kobe thought he wouldn't have to deal with "that kid" until next season.

"A monumental upset," Lakers coach Phil Jackson called Game 6, "...we had it all done except crossing the t."

Could that have been "T" as in all the technical fouls that weren't called on the Lakers in the first five games? If you hadn't known better, you would have suspected that the league office had suggested to refs that they, uh, maximize the chances of the series everyone wants to see -- Kobe's team vs. L.A.'s basketball stepchildren, the Clippers.

So, for five games, the refs allowed Kobe's team to get away with almost as much thuggery as Tony Soprano's crew. The new Kobe got away with throwing cheap-shot elbows and constantly taunting Bell.

Yes, the refs watch "SportsCenter" and they're quite aware that the tougher new Kobe -- Phil's Kobe -- has had a sensational season and that the Suns can be softer than old Kobe, who had no more street cred than Barney Fife.

But should that even subliminally sway the refs? Should they have looked the other way while the Lakers flat-out stole last Sunday's Game 4 to take what appeared to be an insurmountable 3-1 lead?

No, Nash isn't Kobe. He wouldn't have a prayer against Kobe in a game of one-on-one. And he'll never be the tabloid or TV draw that Kobe is.

But he's about to be the NBA MVP for a second straight season, and he deserved a little more respect from the refs than, say, Smush Parker or Kwame Brown or Luke Walton got in Game 4. They're Kobe's teammates.

Kwame got away with knocking down Nash's teammate, Boris Diaw, and standing over Diaw with, as Nash said, his crotch in Diaw's face. No fine, no suspension, no nuthin'.

Then, near the end of regulation, as the Suns struggled to inbound the ball near midcourt, Nash had to dash for the sideline and try to outfight Parker for a desperate pass. MVPs almost always get the foul call there. Nash didn't.

Parker stole it. And Kobe sent the game into overtime by making the most difficult 3-footer you'll ever see -- a running baseline floater.

But the Suns had just enough time to create one last shot off an inbounds lob from inside midcourt. James Jones fooled the Lakers defense and broke free down the lane for what looked like would be a game-winning dunk. But Walton reached out and yanked the back of Jones' jersey, breaking his momentum and throwing off the timing of his jump. Play aborted.

Robbery.

That foul had to be called. That same jersey-grabbing, game-deciding foul was called on the Nets' Nenad Krstic, at New Jersey, and it cost the Nets Game 1 against Indiana.

Please don't tell me none of the three refs saw Walton's grab.

And please, please, don't tell me that I actually heard analyst after national analyst criticize Nash for "dribbling into trouble" with a one-point lead with under 10 seconds left in overtime.

Obviously, Nash dribbled past half court and immediately covered up because he had absolutely no intention of passing to a teammate. Obviously, he wanted to be fouled! He wanted to shoot the free throws that could give his team a three-point lead! He led the NBA in free-throw percentage! He's the two-time MVP!

And guess what? The Lakers had no choice but to foul Nash. Walton and Lamar Odom were trying to body-foul Nash -- and it was up to referee Bennett Salvatore to anticipate that.

But Salvatore let 'em play, let them mug Nash. When Nash realized he wasn't getting the routine foul call, he tried to yell for timeout. So did Diaw. But Salvatore wasn't listening.

Salvatore allowed Walton enough time to reach in and begin wrestling for the ball with Nash. Tweet! "Jump ball," Salvatore called.

At that split second, Walton's foot appeared to be on the out-of-bounds line. But none of the three refs saw that, either. Yes, Walton was allowed a center jump against Nash, which Walton easily won.

Commissioner David Stern said the other day that his refs are wrong only about 5 percent of the time. On that play, they were 300 per cent wrong. No foul. No timeout. No out of bounds. Outrageous.

And of course, Kobe retrieved Walton's tap and almost routinely made the jumper that won the game. That clinched it for many people -- Kobe should have been MVP.

Or maybe not.

On Thursday night, Kobe forced up a potential game-winner over Shawn Marion that hit nothing but floor. Air ball.

Kobe forced up a lot of shots -- and he made a lot of those. He went 20-of-35. But without Raja hounding him, Kobe figured he could score over Leandro Barbosa any and every time. He shot too quickly and too often. He was too careless with the ball, committing seven turnovers. He had only five assists. He failed to control the tempo the way he had in the three Laker wins.

Too-cool Kobe got in a run-and-gun game with Nash's team, and predictably, Nash beat him. Nash had 32 points and 13 assists, with only three turnovers. Five of Nash's teammates scored in double figures.

MVP! MVP!

Justice.

In Game 5 in Phoenix, the refs let Kobe get away with twice elbowing Bell in the face. And the league office took away the Suns' most valuable defender -- their only defender -- for one game because Bell finally stood his ground and showed the Lakers he wouldn't take it any more.

Bell yanked down Kobe by the neck. He didn't elbow him or punch him in the face. He slung him down. Kobe was not hurt.

No way should Bell have been suspended -- not in the bully-ball context of this series. Bring on the Clippers? No, maybe the league office inadvertently did the Suns a favor.

It inspired them.

Raja D'Annunzio is waiting.

WraithXx · 05-05-2006, 02:58 PM

I hate Skip Bayliss. So much.

spreedom · 05-06-2006, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by WraithXx

I hate Skip Bayliss. So much.

Agreed. Bayless is a waste of flesh.

Woody Paige, on the other hand, IS the man.

Drbio · 05-05-2006, 03:29 PM

http://www.worth1000.com/entries/230...0213INQm_w.jpg
Kobe loves.......Shaq?

thunderFence · 05-06-2006, 06:15 AM

Here we go kiddies ...... chose your side :
Kobe Bryant's
or
SUPER GREAT HUMAN Steve Nash

The choice is clear.... are you a :
PHONEY & a SODOMITE
or
GUINUINLY GOOD

Male30Dan · 05-06-2006, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderFence

Here we go kiddies ...... chose your side :
Kobe Bryant's
or
SUPER GREAT HUMAN Steve Nash

The choice is clear.... are you a :
PHONEY & a SODOMITE
or
GUINUINLY GOOD

U2, if you are going to edit, maybe you can help him with his spelling.

dirno2000 · 05-06-2006, 10:32 AM

I agree with Phil Jackson...Raja f'in deserved it. He's always trying to get in cheap shots and he's ususally pretty good at it. This time Kobe was a little better and Raja lost it.

Think back to the last Mavs/Suns game. Tim Thomas gave a hard foul to Dirk and while Dirk was barking at him, Raja ran over under the guise of playing peacemaker and pushed him in the chest. Of course Dirk reacted and pushed the hand away, drawing a tech and a smug grin from Bell.

No matter what you think of Kobe, Raja's a punk and he had this coming.

chumdawg · 05-06-2006, 07:35 PM

I don't know about you guys, but I am UP for this game!! This may well be the only Game Seven we will see this year.

u2sarajevo · 05-06-2006, 07:41 PM

Is the Laker cheerleader coming back for tonights game?

Uhhh...... I think this one is going to be over early. Just a gut feeling.

chumdawg · 05-06-2006, 07:45 PM

The Suns are ALREADY kicking the crap out of the Lakers!

The Lakers will be back, though. If Kobe has another unworldy night, that is. I could see it going either way, I guess.

u2sarajevo · 05-06-2006, 07:52 PM

Boring game.

raefformvp · 05-06-2006, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by u2sarajevo

Boring game.

Agreed. I'm bored out of my mind. The Suns are having their way inside, outside, and everywhere in between. I HATE when Barkley is right.

u2sarajevo · 05-06-2006, 07:59 PM

The Suns play D? Is Raja playing out of his mind? I have to "watch" on cbssportsline game center so can't see actual action.

rakesh.s · 05-06-2006, 08:04 PM

lakers' young guys are rattled.

just about every player on the Suns has been deep into the playoffs before..their experience is going to win them this game tonight.

Lakers could be down by 30 at halftime at this rate.

chumdawg · 05-06-2006, 08:06 PM

I almost feel sorry for the Lakers. Oh, wait. They have Kobe and Jax. I don't feel sorry at all.

chumdawg · 05-06-2006, 09:13 PM

Kobe is in full give-up mode. MAN, that guy has a lot of dog in him. No wonder he gets little MVP consideration.

raefformvp · 05-06-2006, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Kobe is in full give-up mode. MAN, that guy has a lot of dog in him. No wonder he gets little MVP consideration.

I'm a bit disappointed in what I've seen from him tonight. I expected much, much more. But you have to feel very defeated when you are the ONLY one on your team who is doing anything. If the Lakers had made half of the point blank shots in the lane that they missed, we'd have a ball game. Clearly, the Suns want it more and are the more talented team. Diaw and Barbosa have been phenomenal. I still hate them.

chumdawg · 05-06-2006, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by raefformvp

I'm a bit disappointed in what I've seen from him tonight. I expected much, much more. But you have to feel very defeated when you are the ONLY one on your team who is doing anything. If the Lakers had made half of the point blank shots in the lane that they missed, we'd have a ball game. Clearly, the Suns want it more and are the more talented team. Diaw and Barbosa have been phenomenal. I still hate them.

Right now he's the only guy on his team who is doing NOTHING.

This isn't the first time that he has shown his ass like this. He likes to use the "okay, I won't shoot at all, then...now you will see how valuable I am" card.

He is heartless, gutless, worthless, and not deserving of the logo he wears on his chest.

chumdawg · 05-06-2006, 09:20 PM

I am absolutely disgusted by Bryant this quarter. It has been a LONG time since I've seen a guy quit on this team this dramatically. Hell, I don't know if I've ever seen it. This infuriates me. I hope he dies tonight.

raefformvp · 05-06-2006, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

I am absolutely disgusted by Bryant this quarter. It has been a LONG time since I've seen a guy quit on this team this dramatically. Hell, I don't know if I've ever seen it. This infuriates me. I hope he dies tonight.

I'm kinda with you, except for the dying part. It's like he is deferring to his teammates so that when they lose he doesn't have to accept the blame. I can't figure it out. You would think he would put his team on his back and at least make a game of it. Especially after making the statement about Bell being a good defender, but not one that could stop him.

TripleDipping · 05-06-2006, 09:29 PM

The Suns win the series and the Lakers put up a great fight in the process... pretty much what everyone expected, right?

rabbitproof · 05-06-2006, 09:30 PM

I know Chumdawg is one, but I also bow to anybody else who anticipated a Suns 7 game series win after Game 4. May your basketball wisdom and foresight include a Mavericks wrecking of the Spurs.

Anyways, respekt!

(Hope you guys made some munnys on the way.)

chumdawg · 05-06-2006, 09:31 PM

Oh, my god. Oh, my goodness. Did you just see Kobe pass to himself off the backboard.

I officially hate Kobe Bryant worse than I have ever hated any other human being in my life. He walks through almost the entire second half, because he doesn't have the balls to OWN the ass-whipping Raja Bell and Phoenix Suns are giving him, and then when he finally decides to play offense he passes the ball to himself off the backboard, down like 25.

And people thought TO was bad. Kobe Bryant is clearly the biggest cancer in all of sports. He will never be able to have any teammates who play alongside him as opposed to underneath him. I can't tell you how happy I am that his ass is getting sent home in the first round. He is the most selfish athlete I have ever seen in my life.

And this all started in Game Six. When there was still a minute left, he was pulling up from 28 feet to knock down threes. But when they were down 8 with 19 seconds left, he wanted no part of the ball. What a gutless bastard.

MFFL · 05-06-2006, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

I officially hate Kobe Bryant worse than I have ever hated any other human being in my life... Kobe Bryant is clearly the biggest cancer in all of sports. He will never be able to have any teammates who play alongside him as opposed to underneath him.

Could you imagine the sheer drama of AI playing next to Kobe? The two most selfish players in the NBA fighting for the ball.