2020-2021 NBA Season thread - Page 12 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

JustJay · 06-23-2021, 02:06 PM

6 coaching jobs left, one of them Dallas. Hard to believe we'll get a slam dunk.

BPo001 · 06-23-2021, 03:37 PM

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6 coaching jobs left, one of them Dallas. Hard to believe we'll get a slam dunk.

I think Dallas is the best opening IMO. I thought Rick to Boston made perfect sense, but I guess not. Curious where he ends up now. I’d assume he’s not interest in a rebuild. Maybe Portland?

JustJay · 06-23-2021, 08:47 PM

I don't think they will but, if the Hawks won the NBA championship I think that'd be the biggest upset in NBA history. They fired their coach in the season and had a losing record, plus they're not exactly a super team anyway. It'd be like NC State winning the Men's College Championship.

Stylistic · 06-23-2021, 09:54 PM

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I don't think they will but, if the Hawks won the NBA championship I think that'd be the biggest upset in NBA history. They fired their coach in the season and had a losing record, plus they're not exactly a super team anyway. It'd be like NC State winning the Men's College Championship.

They aren’t the same type of team but they remind me of Miami last year.

Have to give credit to the hawks gm. He built a great team around Trae.

Dtownsfinest · 06-23-2021, 10:27 PM

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They aren’t the same type of team but they remind me of Miami last year.

Have to give credit to the hawks gm. He built a great team around Trae.

HE did and did it fast with draft picks. Faster than the Mavs did and they invested their future to fast forward the process.

BPo001 · 06-23-2021, 09:10 PM

I didn’t realize how much I missed fans being at the games until these playoffs started.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-23-2021, 11:56 PM

I biggest revelation is how much better Young's team is versus the Mavs. Imagine if they had drafted Luka...

But I like them. Not their fans, but the team is fun to watch.

Dtownsfinest · 06-24-2021, 08:30 AM

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I biggest revelation is how much better Young's team is versus the Mavs. Imagine if they had drafted Luka...

But I like them. Not their fans, but the team is fun to watch.

I think Trae works better for what they want to do though. Then they got Cam Reddish as well. Gotta give it to them...I thought they'd regret it....but they seem to be ok.

washedklean77 · 06-24-2021, 08:32 AM

Great game last night for the Hawks. They've got a decent amount of everything including solid guard play along with size and athleticism around the rim. A star in Young who plays with no fear along with some great role players is a fantastic recipe for success. (i.e. Mavs 2011)

BPo001 · 06-24-2021, 10:24 AM

Rick Carlisle to the Pacers

Jack.Kerr · 06-24-2021, 11:36 AM

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Jack.Kerr · 06-24-2021, 11:56 AM

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Rick Carlisle to the Pacers

Good to see him land on his feet. Hard to turn down a nice paycheck.

Nothing against Carlisle personally, but he had apparently lost both autonomy within the organization, and authority with respect to his team. Whatever the reason, he did not seem to be getting the most out of the current talent, and things appeared to be on the verge of ending up in the ditch.

When that happens, it's time to reboot. Elsewhere.

Carlisle's personality reminds me of Bill Fitch, to whom I believe RC has referred as a 'mentor'. Fitch was notoriously curmudgeonly, back in an era when coaches could get by with it more easily.

It's a little bit curious that Indiana is hiring that type of coaching personality given the dynamic that reportedly existed last year with first-year coach Nate Bjorkgren, with both assistant coach Greg Foster and player Goga Bitadze being suspended for an in-game confrontation/altercation:

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The situation comes during a frustrating two-month stretch for the Pacers. Wojnarowski reported Tuesday that first-year head coach Nate Bjorkgren's future with the organization is uncertain.

"Bjorkgren has significant work to do with his relationships among players throughout the team and with some members of the organization, but he has thus far shown a willingness to try to address those issues, sources said," wrote Wojnarowski.

So Carlisle may have to rely on his reputed 'adaptable AF' skill to make things work. All the best, RC.

JustJay · 06-24-2021, 10:48 AM

They don't have much in Indiana anymore. If he's an all time great coach he has his chance to prove it.

Dtownsfinest · 06-24-2021, 11:38 AM

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They don't have much in Indiana anymore. If he's an all time great coach he has his chance to prove it.

I disagree....hell I'd say he just upgraded teams honestly.

Myles Turner
Sabonis
Brogdon
Caris Levert

That top 4 is better than anything he's ever had in Dallas.

BPo001 · 06-24-2021, 11:43 AM

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I disagree....hell I'd say he just upgraded teams honestly.

Myles Turner
Sabonis
Brogdon
Caris Levert

That top 4 is better than anything he's ever had in Dallas.

Yet Dallas was #5 and made the playoffs while Indiana took an early vacation this summer.

Dtownsfinest · 06-24-2021, 11:52 AM

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Yet Dallas was #5 and made the playoffs while Indiana took an early vacation this summer.

But you are aware that the Pacers suffered injuries all year....not only that but they had coaching issues which is why they hired Carlisle to begin with lol.

And I just posted their 4 best players....

I didn't even mention that Edmund Sumner, Oshae Brissett and Aaron Holiday have potential....

Justin Holiday is there. Doug McDermott. TJ Warren. Jeremy Lamb.

They have a very good roster. They aren't on TV much if it all so people sleep on them......

But give Luka Levert and Myles Turner and they would've been in the 2nd round of the playoffs this year.

BPo001 · 06-24-2021, 02:07 PM

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But you are aware that the Pacers suffered injuries all year....not only that but they had coaching issues which is why they hired Carlisle to begin with lol.

And I just posted their 4 best players....

I didn't even mention that Edmund Sumner, Oshae Brissett and Aaron Holiday have potential....

Justin Holiday is there. Doug McDermott. TJ Warren. Jeremy Lamb.

They have a very good roster. They aren't on TV much if it all so people sleep on them......

But give Luka Levert and Myles Turner and they would've been in the 2nd round of the playoffs this year.

Better players doesn’t always account to a better team. Just ask Brooklyn.

Dallas41 · 06-25-2021, 02:12 AM

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I disagree....hell I'd say he just upgraded teams honestly.

Myles Turner
Sabonis
Brogdon
Caris Levert

That top 4 is better than anything he's ever had in Dallas.

Add Luka to that lineup and they are in the ECF's at minimal

The Pacers have a very underrated roster and if memory serves me right some of those players missed significant time with injuries.

I've been a huge fan of Brogdon and Turner and was hoping at the deadline the Pacers would blow up their roster and trade one of them to Dallas LOL

Wonder if we can get them (Rick) to bite on a THJ (S & T) + Brunson package for Brogdon.

EricaLubarsky · 06-24-2021, 05:45 PM

Honestly, Pacers are overflowing with talent. That's a hell of a team that Rick has to work with and I'd be surprised if they weren't 4-5 seed.

Also Mavs have a terrible roster outside of Rick. I'm not sure that any other coach could make us worse. We're probably not going to get appreciably better with a coaching change-- that's going to take a roster upgrade-- but at least we can give another coach an opportunity to get KP and Luka to play together because Rick completely failed and we're stuck with KP.

FreshJive · 06-24-2021, 08:06 PM

TJ McConnell seems like Rick's perfect backup point guard.

Dtownsfinest · 06-24-2021, 09:28 PM

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TJ McConnell seems like Rick's perfect backup point guard.

Forgot about McConnell being there....Pacers have a nice team.

FreshJive · 06-25-2021, 09:49 AM

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Forgot about McConnell being there....Pacers have a nice team.

Rick has also been the NBA’s biggest Myles Turner fan, and the perfect center for his system. A shot blocker, with quickness, who can shoot the three.

Dtownsfinest · 06-25-2021, 02:42 PM

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Rick has also been the NBA’s biggest Myles Turner fan, and the perfect center for his system. A shot blocker, with quickness, who can shoot the three.

I was hoping the Mavs would trade for him honestly lol.

FreshJive · 06-25-2021, 05:02 PM

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I was hoping the Mavs would trade for him honestly lol.

I’ve wanted him since about his second season.

mac222b · 06-25-2021, 12:52 AM

McConnell is a FA too so no guarantee he’ll be back. I’m sure they’ll try to keep him though.

saclare · 06-25-2021, 09:48 AM

We are gonna see Suns vs. Bucks in the finals.

Clippers grinded one out last night. Don't think Pandemic P will keep up his level of play as role players disappear. And the Suns aren't going to see another game, if only one, where Booker and CP3 shoot and play like they did. Actually going say the Clippers don't win another game and this one goes 4-1.

Hawks are certainly a fun team to watch. It's annoying to see the recency bias play out with the new Luka vs. Trae talk, but I'm not worried long term at all. However, Trae has certainly made his own spotlight and continues to improve. But anyone remotely thinking the Hawks won the trade is an imbecile. Reddish is not good and for a shooter reputation, his numbers are trash. The other young pieces and vets are what we expected Donnie to surround Luka with. That team with Luka instead of Trae and in the west? We are still watching our Mavs play...

Trae's performance (which can arguably be said won't happen again, to that level) and Middleton's non-performance, won't be a series long thing. I do expect this one to go at least 6 games, with Bucks moving on 4-2. I'm just glad these series will produce some first time champions and have really intriguing story lines and young guys and vets gunning for their ring.

Fun basketball.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-25-2021, 07:54 PM

Blazers about to sign Billups for head coach. I would have preferred him to Kidd.

Bryan_Wilson · 06-25-2021, 08:02 PM

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Blazers about to sign Billups for head coach. I would have preferred him to Kidd.

I would have also. I would have preferred all 3 Clippers candidates over Kidd personally...

Zeus · 06-25-2021, 09:41 PM

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I would have also. I would have preferred all 3 Clippers candidates over Kidd personally...

Are you talking Patrick Beverly, Reggie Jackson, and Marcus Morris Sr.?

BPo001 · 06-25-2021, 09:08 PM

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Blazers about to sign Billups for head coach. I would have preferred him to Kidd.

Same.

EricaLubarsky · 06-26-2021, 12:04 AM

I’d take Kidd over Billups every time

saclare · 06-26-2021, 08:55 AM

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I’d take Kidd over Billups every time

This. Would love to hear the arguments for Billups over Kidd...

Bryan_Wilson · 06-26-2021, 01:22 PM

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This. Would love to hear the arguments for Billups over Kidd...

I just like Billups. He made me laugh when he was with ESPN. Mainly due to how he was seen as both a genius(he's not ftr) and a mentor to the special needs kid next to him aka Paul Pierce. He has no HC experience but there was no vet coach outside of Atkinson I really wanted of the names being thrown out around here. But Billups is respected as a former player as well. Outside of the recent reporting of Kidd being liked by basically every star player, which I can only imagine is because he was a HOF player because as a coach I see nothing to latch onto. Bucks literally went from mediocre to 60 wins the year he left and Bud was hired. But I'm supposed to be optimistic that Kidd learned something after 2 yrs as an assistant coaching Lebron, who likely doesn't need all that much coaching... and learning under Vogel?

My main top choice was Atkinson but I'd literally take almost every name mentioned so far on this board over Kidd because I have placed him firmly in the great player mediocre coach category like Bird and Ewing and every other one you want to throw out until I see otherwise. Maybe He and Nico get us free agents. If he does then all we need is a quality staff supporting him. I like that we seem to be hiring JJ as I always thought he'd be great as a players coach and even good in player development. I'm optimistic about Terry but not as much as JJ. We need some veterans on the staff though.

saclare · 06-27-2021, 10:54 AM

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I just like Billups. He made me laugh when he was with ESPN. Mainly due to how he was seen as both a genius(he's not ftr) and a mentor to the special needs kid next to him aka Paul Pierce. He has no HC experience but there was no vet coach outside of Atkinson I really wanted of the names being thrown out around here. But Billups is respected as a former player as well. Outside of the recent reporting of Kidd being liked by basically every star player, which I can only imagine is because he was a HOF player because as a coach I see nothing to latch onto. Bucks literally went from mediocre to 60 wins the year he left and Bud was hired. But I'm supposed to be optimistic that Kidd learned something after 2 yrs as an assistant coaching Lebron, who likely doesn't need all that much coaching... and learning under Vogel?

My main top choice was Atkinson but I'd literally take almost every name mentioned so far on this board over Kidd because I have placed him firmly in the great player mediocre coach category like Bird and Ewing and every other one you want to throw out until I see otherwise. Maybe He and Nico get us free agents. If he does then all we need is a quality staff supporting him. I like that we seem to be hiring JJ as I always thought he'd be great as a players coach and even good in player development. I'm optimistic about Terry but not as much as JJ. We need some veterans on the staff though.

I've seen this a few times. I think we are unfairly attributing the next season success to Kidd. IMO, it has more to do with the fact he didn't have Jabari Parker at all, who was playing well for them the year prior and obviously before his injury. Also another year of improvement from Giannis, though perhaps not as much as Brogdon and the addition of Brook Lopez. Then midseason stuff like Nikola Mirotic and Goerge Hill.

It's also widely rumored Giannis was pushing to retain Kidd as coach. An idea of which seems to align with a lot of players around the league in their respect and endorsement for Kidd.

I just think it's odd a guy with barely any coaching experience is more desired than someone who been at it for a while, with HC experience. That in and of itself is enough for me to want Kidd, despite whatever success or non-success he's had at previous stops. I just view it differently, and think he's smart enough to adjust his styles.

Totally agree with the second part though. I've said it elsewhere that his coaching staff will be very important. The Terry and Barea rumors I view more mid to end of bench coaching, but would welcome in the right roles.

Dtownsfinest · 06-27-2021, 11:38 AM

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This. Would love to hear the arguments for Billups over Kidd...

I mean the argument would be the unknown. We don't now what Billups is....but we know what Kidd WAS and it wasn't very good.

saclare · 06-27-2021, 12:33 PM

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I mean the argument would be the unknown. We don't now what Billups is....but we know what Kidd WAS and it wasn't very good.

I disagree and will not conclude Kidd's coaching abilities on those two stops. I'm at least giving him a chance here way before Billups. That unknown is SUPER unknown at best.

Dtownsfinest · 06-27-2021, 11:49 PM

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I disagree and will not conclude Kidd's coaching abilities on those two stops. I'm at least giving him a chance here way before Billups. That unknown is SUPER unknown at best.

For the record I have no issue with Kidd I'm just saying that's the argument here for Billups. He's the unknown.

Dallas41 · 06-27-2021, 05:48 PM

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I mean the argument would be the unknown. We don't now what Billups is....but we know what Kidd WAS and it wasn't very good.

I usually agree with most of your post

But here I disagree

What has Billups done besides stand on the sideline and clap that makes him a better fit than Kidd?

Kidd actually did a terrific job his 1st go round with the Nets and they had average talent.

He wasn't that bad in Milwaukee considering Giannis was still just starting out.

Luka is already a top 5 talent and if Kidd somehow figures out this KP issue lack of touches he will most likely have immediate success in Dallas as a coach.

I also believe relationships matter amongst players and coaches now days more than in years past.

Kidd seems like a guy that will be someone who the players will follow and respect.

I think he needs a veteran Assistant next to him but I can see this team being very similar to the one Avery Johnson took over where the players just responded to him being a new voice right out the gates.

Avery was demanding, preached defense and maximum effort. His teams played hard and very rarely took night's off he just got his kicked by Nellie.

He did get the finals not being a great coach but again he motivated that team and to be fair they got screwed by ref's or else Avery would might have won a title in a short amount of time.

I can see Kidd getting more energy out this team especially from guys like Josh Green. I can see being more app to use KP in the mid post area similar to Dirk and get him touches that way more often.

If the Front office can convince someone like Demar DeRozan to come here and help Luka I don't think anyone is going to speak much about the coaching as a weakness next year.

I believe the changes to this organization recently was much needed and I expect for the 1st time in a decade that this franchise will get beyond the 1st round of the playoffs and close to the WCF's.

FreshJive · 06-27-2021, 07:47 PM

There are reports coming out that Dame may want out of Portland, and one reason is that fans are giving him shit over the Billups hire. I don’t believe it is actually the real reason, but he did feel the need to tweet about it.

Dtownsfinest · 06-27-2021, 11:55 PM

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I usually agree with most of your post

But here I disagree

What has Billups done besides stand on the sideline and clap that makes him a better fit than Kidd?

Kidd actually did a terrific job his 1st go round with the Nets and they had average talent.

He wasn't that bad in Milwaukee considering Giannis was still just starting out.

Luka is already a top 5 talent and if Kidd somehow figures out this KP issue lack of touches he will most likely have immediate success in Dallas as a coach.

I also believe relationships matter amongst players and coaches now days more than in years past.

Kidd seems like a guy that will be someone who the players will follow and respect.

I think he needs a veteran Assistant next to him but I can see this team being very similar to the one Avery Johnson took over where the players just responded to him being a new voice right out the gates.

Avery was demanding, preached defense and maximum effort. His teams played hard and very rarely took night's off he just got his kicked by Nellie.

He did get the finals not being a great coach but again he motivated that team and to be fair they got screwed by ref's or else Avery would might have won a title in a short amount of time.

I can see Kidd getting more energy out this team especially from guys like Josh Green. I can see being more app to use KP in the mid post area similar to Dirk and get him touches that way more often.

If the Front office can convince someone like Demar DeRozan to come here and help Luka I don't think anyone is going to speak much about the coaching as a weakness next year.

I believe the changes to this organization recently was much needed and I expect for the 1st time in a decade that this franchise will get beyond the 1st round of the playoffs and close to the WCF's.

Billups has done nothing. I'm not saying he's a better hire than Kidd. The poster asked what the argument would be and I was just stating its the unknown vs. the known even though I'd probably argue Kidd at this point in his coaching career may be more of a unknown.