Roethlisberger in Motorcycle Accident - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

mavsman55 · 06-12-2006, 11:52 AM

Not many of you are Steeler fans, but you may remember the controversy surrounding Big Ben and his helmet-less motorcycle riding at the beginning of last year. Well, this morning, according to KDKA news, he was involved in a serious motorcycle accident and his head crashed into the side of another car and he landed head-first on the pavement. Keep him in your prayers, nobody knows his condition right now.

http://www.rotowire.com/roto_to_gnew...2884&sport=nfl

u2sarajevo · 06-12-2006, 12:00 PM

Heard this. Man, that stinks......

bernardos70 · 06-12-2006, 02:08 PM

Didn't that Chicago Bulls player lost this guaranteed contract because he was riding a motorcycle and ended his career? That was a clause in the contract, as I imagine it is a clause on most pro sports players' contracts. You can't risk millions for a joy ride in a motorcycle. I hope he is well, but what an idiot.

nashtymavsfan13 · 06-12-2006, 03:03 PM

Wow, I'm not a Steelers fan, but this is very sad to see.

vjz · 06-12-2006, 04:31 PM

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...Cx8eI&refer=us

WTAE-TV, citing a person in the police department it didn't identify, reported that Roethlisberger has a broken jaw, a broken left sinus, a 9-inch cut on the back of his head, lost teeth and has severe injuries to his knees from hitting the pavement.

MavKikiNYC · 06-12-2006, 04:47 PM

Very sorry to see it.

And he's an idiot for not wearing a helmet.

I hope he recovers.

Rhylan · 06-12-2006, 04:55 PM

What a moron. Honestly. Why does any human being ride a motorcycle without a helmet.. and why does any pro athlete even touch a motorcycle at all?

SaltwaterChaffy · 06-12-2006, 05:19 PM

Because he's an adult who can make his own choices?

MavKikiNYC · 06-12-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SaltwaterChaffy

Because he's an adult who can make his own choices?

Because he's an adult, with huge earnings potential at stake, who made a very poor choice. After having the risks pointed out to him.

Experience keeps a dear school, but a fool will learn in no other.

Rhylan · 06-12-2006, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SaltwaterChaffy

Because he's an adult who can make his own choices?

That tells me how he did it. That doesn't tell me why.

nashtymavsfan13 · 06-12-2006, 06:20 PM

He has no one to blame but himself for this. He had many people warn him of the risks including Bill Cowher and Terry Bradshaw, and had heard the damage that happened to another young athlete, Kellen Winslow Jr., and still decided to be stupid enough to ride a motorcycle without a helmet. Stupid decision. I hope he fully recovers, but what an idiot.

nashtymavsfan13 · 06-12-2006, 06:21 PM

Roethlisberger breaks jaw, nose in motorcycle crash

By JOE MANDAK, Associated Press Writer
June 12, 2006

PITTSBURGH (AP) -- Steelers star Ben Roethlisberger, the youngest quarterback to lead a team to the Super Bowl championship, broke his jaw and nose in a motorcycle crash Monday in which he was not wearing a helmet.

Roethlisberger was in serious but stable condition, Dr. Larry Jones, chief of trauma at Mercy Hospital said before surgery.

The player's agent, Leigh Steinberg, described the injuries to The Associated Press and said he did not know if there was further damage.

"He was talking to me before he left for the operating room," Jones said. "He's coherent. He's making sense. He knows what happened. He knows where he is. From that standpoint, he's very stable."

Roethlisberger's mother, Brenda, was crying as she arrived at the hospital.

Steelers president Art Rooney II said the team was "encouraged by the early reports from the medical team" at the hospital. "I am sure Ben knows that we are praying for his complete recovery."

The 24-year-old Roethlisberger was without a helmet, police said. He has said he likes to ride without one, a habit that once prompted a lecture from Pittsburgh coach Bill Cowher.

Roethlisberger was on his black 2005 Suzuki Hayabusa -- the company calls it the world's fastest bike for legal street riding -- and heading toward an intersection on the edge of downtown. A Chrysler New Yorker traveling in the opposite direction took a left turn and collided with the motorcycle, and Roethlisberger was thrown, police said.

The other car was driven by a 62-year-old woman, police said. They didn't immediately release her name and no charges were filed.

Witness Sandra Ford was waiting at a bus stop when she said she saw the motorcycle approach. Seconds later, she said she heard a crash, saw the motorcyclist in the air and ran toward the crash scene.

"He wasn't moving and I was afraid that he had died. ... He wasn't really speaking. He seemed dazed but he was resisting the effort to make him stay down," said Ford, who didn't realize the motorcyclist was Roethlisberger.

Police spokesman Lt. Kevin Kraus said police and homicide units were leading the investigation, a standard practice when there is an accident with critical injuries.

In only his second year in the NFL, Roethlisberger helped guide the Steelers to the Super Bowl title in February at age 23. Training camp for next season begins at the end of July.

Several teammates, including backup quarterback Charlie Batch, linebacker Joey Porter and safety Mike Logan, arrived at the emergency room.

Some fans also gathered at the hospital, including Juanita Clark, who sells Steelers paraphernalia.

"I just feel like he's a family member," said her daughter, Loretta Clark.

The NFL's standard player contract prohibits any activity involving "significant risk of personal injury" apart from football. But many prominent athletes ride motorcycles anyway, despite the risk and the possibility of losing salary.

In May 2005, Cowher warned Roethlisberger about safe riding after Cleveland tight end Kellen Winslow Jr. was injured in a motorcycle accident. Winslow tore knee ligaments and was lost for the season.

Other athletes injured on motorcycles during their careers include basketball's Jason Williams, skiing's Hermann Maier and auto racing's Dario Franchitti.

Roethlisberger has said in the past that he prefers not to wear a helmet when riding his motorcycle. He has pointed out Pennsylvania's state law requiring helmets to be worn was repealed in September 2003.

"He talked about being a risk-taker and I'm not really a risk-taker. I'm pretty conservative and laid back, but the big thing is to just be careful," Roethlisberger said at the time. "I'll just continue to be careful. I told him we don't ever ride alone, we always ride in a group of people, and I think it makes it even more safe."

Roethlisberger continued to ride after Winslow's accident and that angered Terry Bradshaw, who quarterbacked the Steelers to four Super Bowl victories during the 1970s.

Visiting the Steelers' training camp last summer, Bradshaw remarked: "Ride it when you retire."

AP Football Writer Dave Goldberg and Associated Press Writer Michael Cowden contributed to this report.

mavsman55 · 06-12-2006, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SaltwaterChaffy

Because he's an adult who can make his own choices?

Yes, but just because he can do something doesn't mean he should do it. Driving a motorcycle (especially without a helmet) is a disrespectful thing to do when you have an entire team full of players and a city full of fans banking on your health. He went against the warnings of Coach Cowher, the Rooney family and several of his teammates to appease his personal desires and now more people than just him are paying for it.

He always claimed he is a careful driver. Well, that may be true, but that still won't stop a 62-year old woman (go figure) from turning in front of you when you have right-of-way. Wearing a helmet won't help your surgically repaired knees either, when they crash into pavement moving 60 mph. When your entire team relies on your health, riding a motorcycle is, without a doubt, a very stupid and careless thing to do.

mavsman55 · 06-13-2006, 03:05 PM

Good News: Ben is a very, very lucky man.

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/06164/697867-100.stm

Roethlisberger's injuries only on face, should be ready for opener
Tuesday, June 13, 2006

By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The injuries to quarterback Ben Roethlisberger were confined to his face and the Steelers are confident he should heal and be ready to play in the season opener Sept. 7 against the Miami Dolphins, sources told the Post-Gazette today.

Roethlisberger has a broken jaw, a broken nose and some injuries to his teeth but otherwise came through his motorcycle accident on Monday with nothing else but some scrapes and bruises. Published reports that detailed injuries to his knees and shoulders are untrue, sources said.

One source said that the surgery on Roethlisberger's face took so long -- seven hours -- in order to assist in a faster recovery time. Roethlisberger also should be ready to participate in training camp, although he may not play in the first preseason game Aug. 12 in Arizona.

The quarterback had seven hours of surgery yesterday afternoon and evening to repair facial fractures caused when his motorcycle struck a car on Second Avenue at the 10th Street Bridge.

After the surgery, doctors said the facial fractures were successfully repaired but they would not elaborate. They did say that there appear to be no brain, spine, chest or abdomen injuries.

sixeightmkw · 06-13-2006, 03:29 PM

I heard there was some knee injury too. If this prevents him from playing his career, he needs to give the money back, all of it.

I really like Ben, but this is a jackass move.

Five-ofan · 06-13-2006, 05:12 PM

Because he is a 24 year old kid who thinks he is invincible. Alot of people in the early 20 age bracket are that way. Before you think im some old man trying to talk down to kids i should mention that i am 20 myself.

mavsman55 · 06-13-2006, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sixeightmkw

I heard there was some knee injury too. If this prevents him from playing his career, he needs to give the money back, all of it.

I really like Ben, but this is a jackass move.

Completely agreed. Thankfully, Ben has an opportunity to learn from this.

Regarding the knees, that was speculation more than anything. There is no structural damage to either of his knees, just 2 minor sprains and some serious road rash.

Smiles · 06-14-2006, 12:06 PM

I guess there's just no feeling like the wind in your hair.

It's amazing how many motorcycle riders think their "skills" can compensate for poor drivers.

Big Boy Laroux · 06-14-2006, 12:13 PM

so i saw on tv that ben normally rides harleys and choppers. those are bikes that you can cruise on. i know of many people that don't wear helmets when riding those (not that i condone it).

however, the accident bike was a crotch-rocket (street bike). riding one of those without a helmet is downright idiotic.

MavKikiNYC · 06-14-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

so i saw on tv that ben normally rides harleys and choppers. those are bikes that you can cruise on. i know of many people that don't wear helmets when riding those (not that i condone it).

however, the accident bike was a crotch-rocket (street bike). riding one of those without a helmet is downright idiotic.

Exactly. You just KNOW he's never taken that thing at top speed out late at night on an interstate anywhere.

capitalcity · 06-14-2006, 03:26 PM

Sorta off topic:

Somebody tell me why not wearing a helmet/not wearing a seat belt should be unlawful for adults operating their personal vehicles.

Big Boy Laroux · 06-14-2006, 04:01 PM

capitalcity, i kind of agree. to me, it's survival of the fittest. if someone is dumb enough to not wear their seatbelt, or to not wear a helmet, then they deserve what comes to them.

MFFL · 06-14-2006, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by capitalcity

Sorta off topic:

Somebody tell me why not wearing a helmet/not wearing a seat belt should be unlawful for adults operating their personal vehicles.

Well there are people in the world that don't like killing other people no matter how dumb said person is.

In other words, I'd hate to have my wife go through therapy because she killed someone in an auto accident - someone who would have lived if they had taken proper precautions.

Me, it wouldn't bother. I'm a big believer in weeding idiots out the gene pool.

Scoobay · 06-14-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MFFL

Well there are people in the world that don't like killing other people no matter how dumb said person is.

In other words, I'd hate to have my wife go through therapy because she killed someone in an auto accident - someone who would have lived if they had taken proper precautions.

Me, it wouldn't bother. I'm a big believer in weeding idiots out the gene pool.

http://www.darwinawards.com/

some interesting and creative ways to kill yourself.

capitalcity · 06-14-2006, 05:18 PM

Okay I get that MFFL.

And I thought about how I don't want to have to pay for stupid people's medicare bills/ welfare/ healthcare derived from car accidents.

But I still don't see how the government has the right to tell me to click-it or ticket. Don't tell me you value safety when you readily give licenses to 16-year-olds, and scoff at the prospect of de-licensing the elderly.

Why don't they threaten to cite drivers who turn off their airbags?

MFFL · 06-14-2006, 05:52 PM

The government has that right because driving a car ISN'T a right. So they can make up the rules as they go.

16 year olds shouldn't be allowed to drive but they do. They don't even have to take a driving test with an officer anymore. Take your course, get your license. But the insurance companies get to charge more for the young drivers so the insurance companies are happy. In fact the only reason that the seatbelt laws exist is because insurance companies pushed for them to lower payouts.

Delicensing the elderly will never happen because the elderly have political clout and they use it every election.

Rhylan · 06-15-2006, 12:03 AM

I've always thought the same as capcity as far as seatbelt laws for adults are concerned, but MFFL makes a good point about others involved in a fatal accident. It's tough to argue with that, but it's tough to argue that adults who put noone but themselves in danger shouldn't be allowed to do so.

I just wear my seatbelt, 'cause my momma told me so.

I do think states should re-invest in making it just a little tougher/more intimidating for 16 year olds to get licenses, just so it becomes something that's taken more seriously and less as an entitlement. Not to mention weeding out the few that simply can't drive worth a damn without more practice.

I am a firm believer in high schoolers driving. I think there are tremendous benefits for kids who can deal responsibly. Having a vehicle was HUGE for me back in the day. I was a level-headed kid, but I still drove too fast and wrecked one car. Some people, even the smartest (d-m.com moderators) among us have to learn the hard way. I would've done the same thing at 20 or 22 as I did at 18, had I been forced to start later. I just got it out of the way earlier and didn't hurt anybody except a barbed wire fence, luckily. Nobody's perfect.

twelli · 06-15-2006, 04:14 AM

I know that riding a bike at low speed can be dangerous too, but I always wonder: why are there are so many vehicles on the streets that can easily top 150mph when the max. speed limit on any street/road is 80mph in the US (correct me if I'm wrong).

It's probably the same as with smoking. Everyone knows it's wrong but the government is not able to do anything against it. The only place I know of where you can really go fast on public roads without breaking the law is the German Autobahn.

nashtymavsfan13 · 06-15-2006, 07:54 PM

Ben was released from the hospital today, and he said if he ever rides a bike again, it will definetly be with a helmet.

nashtymavsfan13 · 06-15-2006, 07:56 PM

Roethlisberger says he's ``fortunate to be alive'' after crash

By JOE MANDAK, Associated Press Writer

PITTSBURGH (AP) -- Ben Roethlisberger apologized to the Pittsburgh Steelers, fans and his family on Thursday, hours after being released from a hospital, saying he was fortunate to be alive and pledging to wear a helmet if he ever again rides a motorcycle.

"In the past few days, I've gained a new perspective on life," the Super Bowl-winning quarterback said in a statement released by the team. "By the grace of God, I'm fortunate to be alive ... "

Roethlisberger, 24, who wrecked his bike and cracked his head on a car windshield on Monday, was discharged late Wednesday night.

The youngest quarterback ever to win a Super Bowl was not wearing a helmet when he crashed into a car that was turning left in front of his motorcycle. Pennsylvania's mandatory helmet law was repealed in 2003.

But Roethlisberger said in the statement that if he ever rides a motorcycle again "it certainly will be with a helmet."

Doctors have said two rounds of tests showed no brain injuries, although there was a mild concussion. Doctors used small titanium plates and screws to reassemble Roethlisberger's broken jaws and repaired other broken facial bones. He also lost two teeth and chipped several others, doctors said.

In the statement, Roethlisberger said that he realizes he has a responsibility to safeguard his health in the offseason so he can continue to lead the team.

The Pennsylvania Department of Transportation, citing confidentiality laws, has refused to confirm media reports that Roethlisberger does not have a valid Pennsylvania motorcycle license.

Roethlisberger appeared to address those reports in his statement.

"I never meant any harm to others nor to break any laws," Roethlisberger said. "I was confident in my ability to ride a motorcycle and simply believed such an accident would not happen to me."

Cincinnati Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer said those criticizing Roethlisberger for not wearing a helmet should back off.

"He went through seven hours of surgery and the last thing he needs right now is guys banging on him for not wearing a helmet," Palmer said at Bengals' minicamp in Cincinnati.

Police were still investigating and will not release their findings until their accident reconstruction is complete, spokeswoman Tammy Ewin said. Police have finished inspecting Roethlisberger's Suzuki Hayabusa motorcycle and the car, but Ewin would not elaborate on that part of the investigation.

A secretary for District Justice Oscar Petite Jr., who has jurisdiction where the crash occurred, said no citations or other charges have been filed.

The car's driver, a 62-year-old woman, did not immediately return a telephone message Thursday.

The Steelers have not given a timetable for Roethlisberger's return, but hope he will be ready for their Sept. 7 opener against Miami. Players who visited Roethlisberger in the hospital believe he will return to action soon, with no ill effects.

"I look forward to being at training camp in Latrobe and winning football games this season," Roethlisberger said in the statement.

The Steelers are 27-4 with Roethlisberger at quarterback and have played in two AFC championship games and won a Super Bowl during his two seasons as a starter.

Bengals receiver Chad Johnson hopes the accident does not cause teams to impose more contractual limits on dangerous activities by players.

"They took away the (touchdown) celebrations. Now we can't enjoy ourselves outside of the facility? That's not fair," Johnson said.

"If you're going to do it, do it very cautiously. If you're going to ride a bike, ride it the right way. Don't speed. Do it for enjoyment. If you're going to bungee jump, have two cords in case one snaps. I don't ride anything. I just talk trash. That's it."

Although Roethlisberger was able to sneak out of the hospital Wednesday night, Mercy Hospital officials did not confirm his release until Thursday morning at the request of his family.

It was unclear where Roethlisberger went when he left the hospital. A bodyguard outside Roethlisberger's home did not say if the player was inside, but several vehicles were parked in the driveway and on the street nearby.

AP Sports Writer Joe Kay in Cincinnati contributed to this report.

jleefilled · 06-23-2006, 07:17 PM

Wow, I didn't want to read anything about this story when it first broke because I think I was just afraid of what I might find out. I'm really glad that it looks like he's going to be okay. I've never been a big fan of the Steelers, but Roethlisberger is one of the few guys outside of Dallas that I would take a moment out of my day just to watch play the game.

fluid.forty.one · 07-03-2006, 11:53 PM

First of all I would never touch a motorcycle of I was making that kind of money (for my athletic ablities)... and even if I did, I would sure as hell wear a helmet.

nashtymavsfan13 · 07-04-2006, 01:23 AM

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First of all I would never touch a motorcycle of I was making that kind of money (for my athletic ablities)... and even if I did, I would sure as hell wear a helmet.

Same here. I mean why would someone ride a motorcycle without a helmet? It makes no sense. People who do are idiots.

nashtymavsfan13 · 07-13-2006, 02:07 AM

Roethlisberger was told he was close to dying

July 13, 2006

BRISTOL, Conn. (AP) -- Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger said Wednesday night that he was told he was "seconds, maybe a minute away from dying" immediately after his motorcycle accident last month.

Roethlisberger, in his first interview since the June 12 accident, told ESPN's "SportsCenter" that he doesn't remember much about the accident when he rammed his motorcycle into a car that was making a left turn in front of him on a Pittsburgh street. He did, however, remember what he was told by people at the scene.

"They told me that I was literally seconds, maybe a minute away from dying because I slit a vein or artery in my mouth or my throat and it was draining blood right into my stomach and luckily the paramedic noticed it and stopped it or else I would have had too much blood in my stomach," he said in Los Angeles where he was for the taping of the ESPY Awards.

"I remember very few things about the accident," Roethlisberger said. "I remember one car turning in front of me, I don't remember the car that hit me, but I remember that first car turning in front of me and the next thing I remember is being in the ambulance and asking, 'Is this really happening?'

"I said, 'Tell me this is just a bad dream,' and he said, 'No, everything is going to be OK,' and he asked me, 'Is there anyone you want me to call?' ... I just gave him two numbers and I don't remember anything until I woke up from surgery."

Roethlisberger underwent seven hours of surgery to repair a broken jaw and other facial bones. Tests showed no brain injuries, although he had a mild concussion. He also lost two teeth and chipped several others.

Roethlisberger was cited for not wearing a helmet when the accident happened.

"That day I wasn't, I forgot it. I literally forgot it," he said. "You know there are times that, people that have been making a big deal for the last couple years about me riding first of all, and then me riding without a helmet, but it's one of those things that I ride with a helmet also. I do a little bit of both. If you don't wear a seat belt every time you ride in the car should I label you as a person who doesn't wear a seat belt? And unfortunately I happened to not have it on that day because I forgot it in the basement."

Roethlisberger said he didn't know if he would ride a motorcycle again.

"I don't know. I am not even thinking about that right now," he said. "To me, right now, like I said when I first started thinking about things, I started thinking about my family. Now that I am doing better and I feel good, now all I am thinking about is football and that is what is on my mind right now. I am getting healthy and I am getting better every day so all I am thinking about is football. I am not thinking about anything else."

Roethlisberger is scheduled to play in a celebrity golf tournament this weekend in Lake Tahoe, Nev.

Including the postseason, the Steelers are 27-4 with Roethlisberger at quarterback. They advanced to the AFC championship game in both his seasons as a starter, winning the Super Bowl in January.

The Steelers won the ESPY for best team and Roethlisberger joined his teammates and coach Bill Cowher onstage to accept the award. It was his first public appearance since the accident.

Roethlisberger didn't appear backstage to talk to reporters.

"I have no concerns about Ben," Cowher said backstage. "He's going to have to get hit a couple times to see if he's all the way back. Hopefully, he can be a great inspiration to a lot of people about looking at life a little more cautiously."

nashtymavsfan13 · 07-13-2006, 02:09 AM

Roethlisberger to play in golf tourney, be part of music video

July 10, 2006

PITTSBURGH (AP) -- Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, seriously injured in a motorcycle accident last month, will play in a celebrity golf tournament next week and appear in a music video.

Officials with American Century Championship, a tournament in Lake Tahoe, Nev., said Friday that Roethlisberger has committed to play there next weekend, July 14-16.

Also, a spokeswoman for The PovertyNeck Hillbillies, a country music group in Pittsburgh, announced Friday that Roethlisberger will be shooting a music video with the group on Tuesday at Heinz Field.

Roethlisberger underwent seven hours of facial reconstruction surgery June 12 after ramming his motorcycle into a car that turned left in front of him on a Pittsburgh street. Roethlisberger broke his jaw and nose when his head smashed into the car's windshield, and he was thrown over the car onto the pavement. He was cited for riding without a license and not wearing a helmet.

MavKikiNYC · 07-14-2006, 08:56 AM

Roethlisberger Says He Won't Do Safety Ads

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: July 14, 2006
Filed at 9:37 a.m. ET

PITTSBURGH (AP) -- Ben Roethlisberger said he doesn't plan on doing public safety announcements for motorcycle or helmet safety following his accident last month.
''I don't think that's my place,'' the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback said in a taped interview aired Friday on ABC's ''Good Morning America.''

''Some people feel that, you know, I probably should be doing that and being a big advocate for that,'' Roethlisberger said from Los Angeles. ''But for me, I'm going to let people make their own decisions ... So I don't think you'll see me doing any kind of billboards or advertisements.''

Roethlisberger had been in Los Angeles for the taping of the ESPY Awards. On Friday, he was slated to play in the American Century Celebrity Golf Championship in Nevada.

Roethlisberger had seven hours of facial reconstruction surgery June 12 after ramming his motorcycle into a car that turned left in front of him on a Pittsburgh street.

Roethlisberger broke his jaw and nose when his head smashed into the car's windshield and he was thrown over the car onto the pavement. He was cited for riding without a license and not wearing a helmet.

In Friday's interview, Roethlisberger said he sometimes wears his helmet, but on the day of the accident, he forgot it.

''I had just gotten my bike all custom done. It was painted up and it was really nice,'' he said. ''I was supposed to take my helmet that day with me to get painted to match my bike so I could wear it all the time when I rode that bike and I totally forgot it.''

Roethlisberger said he also forgot how his life is scrutinized by the public.
''I forgot that I have to live this life under the microscope and that people are always watching and criticizing everything that I do,'' he said. ''I'm coming off two pretty good seasons in the NFL, winning a

Super Bowl and 24 years old, and maybe this is God's way of saying, 'Hey, I can take it away from you at anytime so you better back off a little bit.'''

In the past two seasons, Roethlisberger helped the Steelers achieve a 27-4 record.

Roethlisberger said he has started working out and is now looking forward to training camp later this month.

''Now that I feel healthy and know that I am going to be OK, my only focus is football,'' he said. ''So I've not even started to think about riding a motorcycle again. ... Once this season's over, maybe I'll start thinking whether I'll start riding again.''

nashtymavsfan13 · 07-14-2006, 03:13 PM

Wow, he really hasn't learned.