ACORN Exposed AGAIN!!!

[Mavdog]

just symbolism. even the author of the bill agrees with me.

Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee, suggested the vote is essentially symbolic because the student aid bill did not actually provide any funding to ACORN.

in fact, acorn doesn't directly receive any federal monies.

Does ACORN Recieve Federal Funding?

The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now does not apply for nor does it receive any federal grants.

link

[dude1394]

Think so?
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/...funding-acorn/

Posted by Chris Edwards
The ACORN scandal provides a good opportunity for citizens concerned about profligacy in Washington to explore some of the tools available to find out where their tax money goes.
A good place to start your research is the Federal Audit Clearinghouse on the Census website. All groups receiving more than $500,000 a year from the government are required to file a report. Just type in “ACORN” as the entity and the system pops up the group’s filings. My assistant John Nelson summarized the federal programs and amounts received by ACORN in recent years:
2003
Housing Counseling Assistance $1,168,388
Community Development Block Grants $388,273
Home Investment Partnership $8,000
Self-Help Homeownership Opportunity $204,082
Fair Housing Initiatives Program $85,000
Total $1,853,743
2004
Housing Counseling Assistance $2,209,009
Community Development Block Grants $221,007
Home Investment Partnership Program $21,092
Self-Help Homeownership Opportunity $127,183
Fair Housing Initiatives Program $105,000
Total $2,683,291
2005
Housing Counseling Assistance $2,605,558
Community Development Block Grants $367,560
Self-Help Homeownership Opportunity $153,082
Fair Housing Initiatives Program $140,917
Total $3,267,117
2006
Housing Counseling Assistance $1,955,074
Self-Help Homeownership Opportunity $59,541
Rural Housing and Economic Development $47,619
Fair Housing Initiatives Program $150,000
Community Development Block Grants $238,809
Total $2,451,043
2007
Housing Counseling Assistance $1,813,011
Self-Help Homeownership Opportunity $46,608
Rural Housing and Economic Development $30,504
Fair Housing Initiatives Program $60,000
Community Development Block Grants $372,950
Total $2,323,073

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Think so?
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/...funding-acorn/

those were paid to acorn housing corporation, not to the association of community organizations for reform now.

[dude1394]

The pig begins to squeal.

ACORN filed suit today in Maryland against conservative filmmakers James O’Keefe, Hannah Giles and conservative Web site Breitbart.com for secretly taping the organization’s employees at its Baltimore office.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz0S0IEEuZ1

[Mavdog]

if it is against the law, it's against the law.

do you condone a person doing illegal acts? isn't condoning an illegal act exactly what you seem to be busting acorn's employees for?

if you support the illegal act of the filmmaker are you not doing the very same thing that you are lambasting acorn's employees of doing?

hmmm...

[dude1394]

Do you condone an organization giving advice on how to sneak children across the border to serve as prostitutes...With your zealous defense of their actions, it would appear so.

[92bDad]

Hey, more tax dollars going to lawyers to go after and to defend an event that had our government not been corrupt, it would have never happened.

Again, were are the media folks when it comes to exposing ACORN and those associated with it...for example President Obama. Again, they are so under his spell that they refuse to say ANYTHING that shed's a negative light on his annointedness.

By the way, this is not about bringing down Obama the person, but rather bringing down an elite leftist liberal/socialist ideology. There are many who want America to succeed, and under the Obama plan, America will FAIL!!!

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Do you condone an organization giving advice on how to sneak children across the border to serve as prostitutes...With your zealous defense of their actions, it would appear so.

again, you need to listen to the tapes, you're wrong. there was no "advice on how to sneak children across the border to serve as prostitutes". that is not accurate at all.

so you condone the illegal acts of the filmers?

[Usually Lurkin]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

you need to listen to the tape again. the actors say these girls are coming from el salvador and they "want to take care of them for a year or two."

Nice use of scare quotes. Putting new words on something evil does not make it good.

This is about 8 minutes into the Baltimore video:

Tonja: they under sixteen so you don't worry about that, but on the other part of the form you can use them as a dependents because they live in your house they are under 16 and they are living in your house. Well you live in a boat but because you are taking care of them so you can use them as a dependent

James: What if they are going to be making money because they are performing tricks too

Tonja: but if they making money and they are underage then you shouldn't be letting anybody know anyway

Kenya: well that’s true cause

Tonja: you shouldn't be letting anyone know anyway

James: well that’s what happen we told the bankers and they kicked us out

Tonja: right because its illegal. So I am not hearing this, I am not hearing this. You talk too much don't give up no information you are not asked

It goes on. Tonja laughs when she says they shouldn't let anyone know that the underage girls are working.

[92bDad]

What these filmakers did was purely "Hypothetical"...Neither the filmakers nor ACORN did anything illegal.

However, it does expose a fundamental philosophy on the part of ACORN, or at least numerous individuals within ACORN from a variety of locations.

This is what merits scrutiny and an independant investigation.

[aquaadverse]

I wonder if they realize what a can of worms filing the suit opens up. There will be some serious squirming under discovery.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

again, you need to listen to the tapes, you're wrong. there was no "advice on how to sneak children across the border to serve as prostitutes". that is not accurate at all.

so you condone the illegal acts of the filmers?

Sounds like you listen about as well as you critically review Obamas policies.

http://ironicsurrealism.blogivists.c...investigation/

Here is this guy telling them the best place to smuggle children across the border by pedophiles who want to make young children sex slaves.

Why do you condone the selling of children to pedophiles to be used as sex slaves.

Let's see on one side is an organization that helps pedophiles and the slave trade, versus someone else basically whistle blowing. It figures which side of this argument you would be on, Obama's side, no matter how disgusting the group is.

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

Nice use of scare quotes. Putting new words on something evil does not make it good.

This is about 8 minutes into the Baltimore video:


It goes on. Tonja laughs when she says they shouldn't let anyone know that the underage girls are working.

so why didn't you include the accurate quotes I posted? they are there.

[92bDad]

Mavdog, why are you supporting ACORN on this issue...are you just trying to be the Devil's advocate? Never mind, you are an Obama "Keeper"

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Sounds like you listen about as well as you critically review Obamas policies.

http://ironicsurrealism.blogivists.c...investigation/

Here is this guy telling them the best place to smuggle children across the border by pedophiles who want to make young children sex slaves.

Why do you condone the selling of children to pedophiles to be used as sex slaves.

Let's see on one side is an organization that helps pedophiles and the slave trade, versus someone else basically whistle blowing. It figures which side of this argument you would be on, Obama's side, no matter how disgusting the group is.

I haven't seen this latest sting, so I cannot comment. no youtube on company computers..anybody with any sense knows that acorn doesn't "help pedophiles". they weren't and aren't in the business of helping those type of people, and the discussion on the issue of teen girls wouldn't have ever occured if the filmmaker had not initiated the conversation.

no I'm not "condoning the selling of children as sex slaves". that is sort of a "when did you stop beating your wife" kind of thing.

apparently you won't answer if you condone the filmmakers breaking the law tho. hmmm..inconsistency.

[Usually Lurkin]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

I haven't seen this latest sting, so I cannot comment. no youtube on company computers..anybody with any sense knows that acorn doesn't "help pedophiles". they weren't and aren't in the business of helping those type of people, ...

people need to watch the videos

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

I haven't seen this latest sting, so I cannot comment. no youtube on company computers..anybody with any sense knows that acorn doesn't "help pedophiles". they weren't and aren't in the business of helping those type of people, and the discussion on the issue of teen girls wouldn't have ever occured if the filmmaker had not initiated the conversation.

no I'm not "condoning the selling of children as sex slaves". that is sort of a "when did you stop beating your wife" kind of thing.

apparently you won't answer if you condone the filmmakers breaking the law tho. hmmm..inconsistency.

However this Acorn office WAS helping bringing underage girls (per the pimp 13years old) into the states as sex slaves....abut still you defend them. And other acorn offices have helped pimps/prostitutes that are also underage however you have defended acorn on this from day one with your own unique style.

I think some serious soul-searching is in order.

[Usually Lurkin]

Originally Posted by aquaadverse

I wonder if they realize what a can of worms filing the suit opens up. There will be some serious squirming under discovery.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

Maybe the two ex-employees have a case. You'd think they'd have a case against ACORN as well, since the firing (not to mention the training they received) no doubt contributed to the "extreme emotional distress"

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by dude1394

However this Acorn office WAS helping bringing underage girls (per the pimp 13years old) into the states as sex slaves....abut still you defend them. And other acorn offices have helped pimps/prostitutes that are also underage however you have defended acorn on this from day one with your own unique style.

I think some serious soul-searching is in order.

yes, you should do some "soul searching" on how you twist what has been done.

these two people go into an acorn office, and find a sleasy person and secretly film him respond to their questions.

any honest person would have thrown these fimmakers out, but it should come as no surprise that there are corrupt, sleasy people in this world. do you indict a whole office and group of people based on this one person? if someone in your company commits a rape are we to believe that everybody in your company ais a rapist, too?

as for "helping bringing underage girls", the filmmaker states "the girls are coming this weekend...". the person is not transport ingthese girls, he is not involved in their movement, he is told the girls are coming and what is his advise on how to get them across the border.

what "other acorn offices have helped pimps/prostitutes that are also underage"? these videos from baltimore and new york are not guilty of that charge. care to explain yourself?

there's no defending the fact this sleaseball should have thrown the two people out of his office (as was done in multiple acorn offices when the filmmakers tried the same trap).

so no, there is no defense for the people who didn't tell these posers to leave once they heard about the girls. they were wrong, should not be employed there, and are just bad people.

there should be an accurate telling of the story however, and to say that "acorn was helping bring underage girls into the states as sex slaves" is about as inaccurate as it gets. this sleaseball, who was working for acorn, was stupid enough to answer the question these filmmakers posed on his opinion of how to get them across the border.

you're wrong, and you know it.

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

people need to watch the videos

seen it, and this guy was the slease.

the other acorn employees in the other videos do not offer advise, and are not giving opinions on how to bring girls across the border.

[dude1394]

It is really difficult to get on the wrong side when you support Obama...that's for sure.

[aquaadverse]

Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

Maybe the two ex-employees have a case. You'd think they'd have a case against ACORN as well, since the firing (not to mention the training they received) no doubt contributed to the "extreme emotional distress"

But it automatically tosses all manner of legal muscle into forcing people to testify under oath by rules of discovery. Pretty stupid on their part. They should have scurried away from the light and reformed as another group like all the other organizations do. Given our national attention span, they could be back up vacuuming USDA swag by New Years Day under a name like Tulip Bulb or Pine Cone.
This won't end well for them.

[Usually Lurkin]

Originally Posted by aquaadverse

But it automatically tosses all manner of legal muscle into forcing people to testify under oath by rules of discovery. Pretty stupid on their part. They should have scurried away from the light and reformed as another group like all the other organizations do. Given our national attention span, they could be back up vacuuming USDA swag by New Years Day under a name like Tulip Bulb or Pine Cone.
This won't end well for them.

yeah. I can't imagine why they are doing it other than they really believe they are in the right, and in a defensible position (that's a stretch, considering they've been firing the people involved), or they're trying to keep the tapes out of court or something (as illegally obtained evidence?).
I really think, though, that their sense of entitlement is so strong, they don't know the difference between right and wrong.

[Flacolaco]

Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

I really think, though, that their sense of entitlement is so strong, they don't know the difference between right and wrong.

You just described about 53% of voters last year.

[92bDad]

Originally Posted by Flacolaco

You just described about 53% of voters last year.

You must spread some rep before giving it to Flaco again!!!

[Usually Lurkin]

Hannity: Are you saying, Andrew, that there are more tapes?

Breitbart: Oh my goodness there are! Not only are there more tapes, it’s not just ACORN. And this message is to Attorney General Holder: I want you to know that we have more tapes, it’s not just ACORN, and we’re going to hold out until the next election cycle, or else if you want to do a clean investigation, we will give you the rest of what we have, we will comply with you, we will give you the documentation we have from countless ACORN whistleblowers who want to come forward but are fearful of this organization and the retribution that they fear that this is a dangerous organization.

http://patterico.com/2009/11/20/brei...-the-election/

[dude1394]

Nothing to see here, just a bunch of racist hata's trying to bring down the one.

Hmm....Rev. Wright, William Ayers, ACORN. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and reads a teleprompter like a duck, it's probably a duck.

[aquaadverse]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

uh, they don't give pulitzers for videos, and if they did I seriously doubt they would consider bestowing one for a video in which actors set out to bait people.

Not even a Piece Prize?

[92bDad]

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2. Rep. King: ACORN ‘Bigger Than Watergate’

Rep. Steve King says the ACORN saga is “the largest corruption crisis in the history of America” — yet he predicts Congress and the Obama administration won’t take action against the scandal-plagued community organizing group.

"It's thousands of times bigger than Watergate because Watergate was only a little break-in by a couple of guys," the Iowa Republican said in an interview with The American Spectator.

"By the time we pull ACORN out by its roots, America's going to understand just how big this is."

Hidden camera videos emerged in September showing ACORN (Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now) employees advising a couple posing as a pimp and prostitute how to establish a brothel and finance it with government grants.

But it also is accused of political corruption, election fraud, racketeering, money laundering, and countless other violations of the law, according to the American Spectator article written by Matthew Vadum, senior editor at Capital Research Center, a Washington, D.C.-based think tank.

Rep. King, a member of the House Judiciary Committee, said Committee Chairman John Conyers will not investigate ACORN and a probe of the group is “not going to come out of” Chairman Charles Rangel’s Ways and Means Committee or Chairman Barney Frank’s House Financial Services Committee “or from anybody in the Senate. They're going to protect ACORN.

“Congress is deliberately dragging its heels on ACORN,” and Democrats in Congress are “using everything to protect ACORN because that's the machine that keeps them in office,” said King.

The congressman is especially angry over U.S. District Judge Nina Gershon's ruling in favor of ACORN on Dec. 11.

Gershon issued a temporary injunction prohibiting Congress from cutting off funding for ACORN, ruling that the funding ban ordered by Congress was unconstitutional in that it singled out ACORN for punishment without trial. The Department of Justice has reluctantly filed an appeal.

Gershon's ruling is "sweeping and far-reaching, and she even opined that ACORN has some kind of an implicit right to future contracts because they've succeeded in bidding on contracts that were similarly competitive," King said in the interview.

He added that he doesn't hold out much hope that the Obama administration or Congress will decide to investigate ACORN, saying: "This is one-party gangster government and they know what they're doing.”
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Will ACORN, for all it's help in raising the Democrats to power, wind up being the undoing of the Democrats?

The longer that ACORN and the Democrats drag the controversy out, the more the people of America will recognize how criminal the Democratic party is. Now doubt, there will be hardcore Democrats who will die before they admit wrong doing...but this dragging on is surely having an impact on those middle of the road voters.

No a 3rd party is not a viable option, as they would have very little to any power or influence to make any type of meaningful and positive change. Most likely this 3rd party would take away from the Republican party.

What is needed is for the Republican party to reclaim it's conservative roots...kick out the liberal plants and keep the party focused and in line with what Americans want.

The tie between Obama and ACORN is too strong to ignore, between the Democrats and ACORN is too strong to ignore.

America is a victim, and the criminals are ACORN and the Democrats, to include President Obama. Saddly, they have taken advantage of some genuinely needy people...all in the name of gaining Financial and Political Power.

Here's to a great 2010 and to the fall of the Democrats!!!

[mcsluggo]

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