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chumdawg · 09-26-2008, 12:19 AM

Will McCain show up tonight in Mississippi?

Prediction: If he doesn't, he is screwed. And if he does, he is screwed.

92bDad · 09-26-2008, 12:33 AM

It's all bout perspective.

IMHO, Obama looks like an incompetant fool who forgot that he is being paid to be a Senator, while McCain is showing that he serves and works for the people first.

If the debates take place, then McCain will be able to speak to the way the Democrats are trying to stick it to the people, while McCain and the Republicans are wanting to ensure that Private business is what comes to the aid. He is promoting some type of mutual effort between Private Sector and Government to LOAN the financial needs, insuring that the money will be paid back.

Meanwhile Obama and the Democrats are trying to do a full scale bail out, which will be paid by the people through taxation.

Why would anyone see that using citizens money to bail out a corporation is a good idea?

I don't believe that this is a Political Stunt...this is actually exactly who McCain is and it shows his Maverick Spirit.

If he delays the debates, he will once again show that Obama is NOT doing what he was hired to do.

This is really getting ugly for the Obama camp...funny what they thought he had a stronghold of as an issue, the Economy, will now turn into a strenght for Senator John S. McCain!!!

What's funnier is seeing the spin that the leftist networks are putting over the airways, yet the people are speaking by a margin of 10-1 in favor of the actions that McCain has taken.

McCain is leading, rather than following.

Obama has an opportunity to make himself and the Democrats look good, but it will require his presence in Washington and for him to also delay the campaigning and the debates.

Either way, McCain is showing what leadership is all about!!!

Way to go McCain, I can't wait to vote.

By the way, I heard from a friend who is a die-hard Democrat in her late 60's...she told me that for the first time in her life she is voting for a Republican as she simply doesn't trust Obama. I was shocked to hear this...trust me this individuals is about as Democrat as they come.

I am getting more and more confident about the upcoming November vote...the People of America are rather intelligent and I believe that we will see as the votes come in for Senator John S. McCain.

chumdawg · 09-26-2008, 12:44 AM

Now, that's what I'm talkin' about! Fight the good fight, soldier!!

rabbitproof · 09-26-2008, 12:54 AM

"It is going to be part of the president's job to deal with more than one thing at once," Mr. Obama told reporters in Florida. "If it turns out that we need to be in Washington, we've both got big planes - we've painted our slogans on the side of them - they can get us from Washington, D.C., to Mississippi fairly quickly."

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For all the talk of Democrats being soft, and they have been, Obama hasn't let anybody push him around. He's kept things on the issues. And he did it again in that quote. But this, this wasn't coy or dignified. This was calling the other guy out by first and last name, inviting his woman to come over and whipping his nuts out on the table.

Time to step up, Johnny.

If Obama did not have the humble and thoughtful thing going for him, I'd almost say his reaction is borderline disrespectful and cocky. That said, when you think about who stands to lose the most if the debates are not held or delayed, bailout or not, it's the American people/voters and so McCain made a very serious raise, be it calculated or careless. That request was not some not weekend dough. That's really jugular, just going for all of someone else's bread. That was saying "screw the election".

So, the proper way to treat a raise, and it is a raise, is to re-raise. So, let's get it on..

chumdawg · 09-26-2008, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

"It is going to be part of the president's job to deal with more than one thing at once," Mr. Obama told reporters in Florida. "If it turns out that we need to be in Washington, we've both got big planes - we've painted our slogans on the side of them - they can get us from Washington, D.C., to Mississippi fairly quickly."

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For all the talk of Democrats being soft, and they have been, Obama hasn't let anybody push him around. He's kept things on the issues. And he did it again in that quote. But this, this wasn't coy or dignified. This was calling the other guy out by first and last name, inviting his woman to come over and whipping his nuts out on the table.

Time to step up, Johnny.

If Obama did not have the humble and thoughtful thing going for him, I'd almost say his reaction is borderline disrespectful and cocky. That said, when you think about who stands to lose the most if the debates are not held or delayed, bailout or not, it's the American people/voters and so McCain made a very serious raise, be it calculated or careless. That request was not some not weekend dough. That's really jugular, just going for all of someone else's bread. That was saying "screw the election".

So, the proper way to treat a bs raise, and it is a bs raise, is to re-raise. So, let's get it on..

Wish I could rep you. That post was pure money. Calling out by first and last name...brilliant.

I almost thought to say something similar, to ask if McCain had pushed all his chips in on this bet. But you said it far more eloquently than I could have. The bet has been called, and now McCain can show his cards or muck 'em.

That's why I say he is either screwed or screwed.

92bDad · 09-26-2008, 08:40 AM

I'm laughing so hard I can barely contain myself.

The majority if not most of America doesn't care if the debate is held tonight or next week or some other day...we all know that their will be some debates.

In the debates, we all know that both McCain and Obama will have canned answers which wont amount to much of anything on either side.

If anything, we are observing McCain and how he will lead, while we are watching as Obama will hide from the work, skirt his responsibilities and manipulate the system...when I was in the military, this guy would have been considered a Sham Specialist.

On the flip side, I noticed that Obama is too chicken to do a Town Hall meeting style of debate. What is he afraid that real people will ask him real questions and that he won't be protected by handlers or debate moderators.

If Obama wanted to make a bigger joke out of his childish response, he could've stated that he would leave his plane in MS and hang out in DC to make sure that McCain gets on his plane, even offer to ride on the plane with him.

I hope beyond hope that Obama doesn't come close to getting elected, this guy is the biggest joke...if he and his behind the scenes string pullers were not so dangerous with their liberal/communist type of views, this would be funny...

BUT IT'S NOT!!!

This is not a game and American Lives are at stake, not just ours, but many many future generations will be negatively effected by this guy.

My apologies, but I have some serious hatred of the Left and Obama at the moment and I believe that they are playing politics rather than doing their jobs...they did it with the War on Terror and they are doing it with a National Banking Crisis. They will stoop to anything simply to win votes and gain power...if they would simply serve the people as their job calls for, then perhaps we would not be in this mess.

Forget logical arguements, my emotions are boiling over.

In the end McCain will debate Obama, but again I don't care when and where and niether do most Americans...they would rather see this crisis taken care of and see a person willing to fulfill his responsibilities than to shurk his responsibilities as a Senator.

These actions show the Character of these two men and quite frankly McCain is showing us the Character that I want in a leader, while Obama is running and pouting because he is unable to 'Change' with the needs of the people.

Flacolaco · 09-26-2008, 08:55 AM

Quote:

If Obama did not have the humble and thoughtful thing going for him

Huh?

And yeah, McCain is screwed. It wouldn't be a big deal if there just weren't a debate and Obama went home, but of course the networks and reporters there would be only too happy to cover Obama, probably live on tv tonight. This puts Obama in the spot light saying every 5 seconds "Where's John McCain?"

McCain is screwed anyway, this just screws him harder.

Still, I don't get it. The Republicans toned down their convention because of the hurricanes, knowing that they would get blasted in the press if they didn't, but this is WAY more serious than a hurricane (no offense to New Orleans and Houston and such) and we should carry on with it?

If President Bush were somewhere else meeting with some other leader rather than in Washington right now dealing with this most serious of problems, what would the press say? So if these candidates want to show us they're presidential, shouldn't they do the same?

It's all stupid politicking.

u2sarajevo · 09-26-2008, 09:14 AM

John McCain is in full out meltdown mode. Not showing up tonight would just be the cherry on top of the failure sundae.

Mavdog · 09-26-2008, 09:14 AM

mccain has all but lost the election by his actions this week.

his image is not that of a "leader" who stops the campaign out of his willingness to "put country first", which is what his staff thought would result. his image is now of a person who grandstands at a critical point in a very serious negotiation.

anyone with an open mind understands that the presidential candidates do not need to be in washington, unless of course they are the committee chairs (and neither of them are of course) who are responsible for the proposed bills. in fact by their presence in washington they politicized the negotiation even more. that's negative, not positive.

so mccain, the "betting man" as he called himself in an interview this week, bet and lost. if the bill is agreed to today he can salvage a bit of his image. if it drags on past today he's not going to recover from the mistake.

if he doesn't show up at the debate he will look even more petty. what, he can't get to mississippi? he is needed elsewhere? nope, he can get there and no he is not needed elsewhere.

the question is will obama go to the debate stage and be there all by himself to make a point. it would be priceless...

mary · 09-26-2008, 09:59 AM

Quote:

the question is will obama go to the debate stage and be there all by himself to make a point. it would be priceless...

Wouldn't that be seen as grandstanding as well?

I think it would be better if he just held an impromptu press conference or something...but I don't think he should go that far.

Flacolaco · 09-26-2008, 10:04 AM

(I heard) They're going to turn it into a "town meeting" setting with Obama taking questions and all of that jazz...except I imagine since they're there already, the networks might as well cover it. You can imagine where Obama might steer his answers with a national stage. And why not...

What they should have done, is send the VP's to debate instead, and then taken their slot next week.

mary · 09-26-2008, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flacolaco

(I heard) They're going to turn it into a "town meeting" setting with Obama taking questions and all of that jazz...except I imagine since they're there already, the networks might as well cover it. You can imagine where Obama might steer his answers with a national stage. And why not...

What they should have done, is send the VP's to debate instead, and then taken their slot next week.

A town meeting would work...I just hope he doesn't stand up there with an empty podium on the other side of the stage....that would be ridiculous.

I think switching out the VP/P debates would've been a good solution.

92bDad · 09-26-2008, 10:23 AM

What's sad is that we find ourselves debating the debate, rather than focusing on the real issue...the "Bailout"

Why is Obama running from the Issue?

Not to hijack this thread, but when it comes to this bailout...if this is to be a bailout where both government and private industry foot the bill, are they not buying up tangible assetts that are to be paid back...as in a loan?

When they are paid back, where does that money go? If the government has the money to hand out a loan, then when it is paid back will that lower the tax hit for citizens in the future?

Do those who buy up these loans, not stand to gain a profit, including the government?

Where does that profit go?

Will it be refunded to the citizens, or again...establish a lower tax in the future?

There is a ton here and this is more important than the recent natural disasters. The fallout of a screwed up plan is far greater than any damage from Ike or even Katrina.

Why is Obama treating this as if it's no big deal?

The funny part is watching the spin that the various news outlets are giving this, it clearly shows the bias...polls show that this is a positive reflection on McCain, but the leftist driven media outlets have created a negative spin and watch, they will persuade some non-voting Americans to trash McCain.

Do these people not see the seriousness of this issue and why are they ignoring how Democrat leadership is trivializing and politicizing this issue? What do they not understand what it means to actually do your job, so that when McCain steps in to work they think it's grandstanding.

Look at McCains history, he has a trackrecord of NOT being on board with midnight shotgun deals and he simply did as he regularly does, which was to step in and listen to what is being negotiated and then taking his time to process the information in order to understand the consequences and then present a deal that is fair for the American people.

I was iffy on McCain...but the more I get to know the guy and the more I see him in action the more I look forward to backing him and voting for him.

I see Obama as trying to divert focus from the real issue, he simply Can't Handle the Truth.

Flacolaco · 09-26-2008, 10:37 AM

Now McCain is going to debate.

(With his ass showing.)

Oh well, at least it will be a good topic of conversation for the talking heads to avoid covering how McCain is stronger on foreign policy (the focus of this debate) than Obama is.

Mavdog · 09-26-2008, 10:45 AM

obama is not "running from the issue", he's spoken about the plan and has supported the effort to find a response.

from what I read, he called mccain monday morning and suggested they issue a joint statement in support of the bi-partisan effort.

as for your questions, yes, the government would in theory act as a buyer of the securities, hold them or sell them when the market stabilizes. the government could make a profit, or perhaps break even at the end of the day. so "bailout" is a bit of a misnomer.

the potential profit should reduce the costs of administering the plan, but we all know the profit (if there is one) will not go back to you and me in the form of a check.

as for who is "politicizing" the issue, it is not the democratic leadership in congress, nor the republican leadership...it is the presidential candidate who made the public statement that he must return to washington and postpone the debate who is doing that.

as I read this am in the paper, and it was a republican who said "we had an agreement in principle, and then mccain came into the room and gave a speech. we didn't really understand exactly what he was trying to say as it was a bunch of generalities, but when we left the meeting there was no longer any deal..."

mccain and obama are not needed in washington to reach a compromise on this legislation, and their presence is in fact harming the effort.

the debate should go on, and perhaps the subject should not be foreign policy as originally intended but a discussion of our financial situation instead.

Arne · 09-26-2008, 10:46 AM

Jon Stewart on McCain's legislative trip to Washington:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/

rabbitproof · 09-26-2008, 11:27 AM

92bdad,

Um, so, now he's debating. What happened to suspending his campaign and "bailout first"?

Arne · 09-26-2008, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 92bDad

When they are paid back, where does that money go? If the government has the money to hand out a loan, then when it is paid back will that lower the tax hit for citizens in the future?

Do those who buy up these loans, not stand to gain a profit, including the government?

Where does that profit go?

Will it be refunded to the citizens, or again...establish a lower tax in the future?

Okay, government does not have the money to hand out a loan. They'll do what they usually do - ask the Federal Reserve to print the money, thereby they'll debase the currency. People will have to pay additional purchasing power to the government through the inflation tax. This is especially good for politicians, because most people don't know why there dollars won't buy them anything anymore so they just cut back on their consumption or go deeper into debt, but most of the people won't realize what's happened.

IF there's gonna be money coming back, I'd bet government will treat it as additional income and invent another Departement to spend it on.

Now Bernanke already said that it would be good for the government to buy all those MBS at above market prices. So the profits will go to all the people who foolishly invested in mortgage backed securities and it will be taken from the whole population especially those who can't increase their income in an inflationary scenario - for example the elderly.

92bDad · 09-26-2008, 11:49 AM

McCain went to Washington, he brought Obama kicking and screaming and he enabled the Congress to refocus and move towards a good solution rather than a knee jerk solution.

Now he is showing that he is able to muti-task as he will follow through with the debate tonight.

Again, I don't care if it's tonight, tomorrow, next week or whenever...

What I did see is that McCain gave the people a voice and actually managed to have BI-partisn input...prior to his arrival, the Democrats where railroading a solution and not allowing for the Republicans to provide serious input.

McCain showed what it means to put Country first. He and other Republicans have gotten the attention of the Democrats and together they have appointed key people to hammer this thing out.

As for the debate...I'll record it, watch the highlights over the week-end...it's Friday night, time for HS Football. Honestly if you ask me, the debates should have been schedule for a Tuesday...that's the night with the least amount of conflicts...but hey, it'll give my DVR something to do.

92bDad · 09-26-2008, 11:53 AM

In a sudo weird way...this is all pretty funny.

It's like I'm watching a "Wayne's World" movie...

"Debate Off" - "Debate On"

Next thing you know Palin and Biden will start up a game of street Hockey.

It's It's It's a Ballroom Blitz :-)

rabbitproof · 09-26-2008, 12:19 PM

Yeah, Obama hates freedom and America!

Don't be such a tool.

kg_veteran · 09-26-2008, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mavdog

mccain has all but lost the election by his actions this week.

There's a lot of time between now and November 4, but it's sort of hard to argue with you right now.

rabbitproof · 09-26-2008, 12:32 PM

From Fair and Balanced:

In an attempt to goad McCain to the debate, Obama had said a presidential candidate should be able to handle the 90-minute forum and the financial crisis at the same time.

On Thursday, both McCain and Obama returned to Washington at the urging of President Bush, who invited them to a meeting with congressional leaders at the White House. But the session, which was designed to show unity in fixing the financial crisis, degenerated into a public conflict.

McCain would not commit to supporting a plan proposed by Democratic negotiators, and House Republicans offered an alternative option that had not been given discussion time.

McCain’s campaign said the meeting “devolved into a contentious shouting match” and suggested that Obama was to blame. Democrats said McCain had jumped into the negotiations in mid-discussion and had upended an agreement that was close to fruition.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid suggested that McCain’s return to Washington led to the fight at the White House.

“Guess who came to town? And it completely fell apart,” Reid, D-Nev., said Friday, while still expressing optimism that a deal could be done by the end of the weekend.

On learning of McCain’s decision to attend the debate, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer questioned whether the Republican candidate’s intention all along was a “political ploy.”

First you’re on, first you’re off, very mercurial dealing with issues and circumstances. Frankly I believe this is a political ploy by the McCain campaign,” Hoyer told FOX News Radio. “When it came back here, it frankly was a dud and not only was not helpful, it was unhelpful.”

Rest of it: http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09...f-mississippi/

Mavdog · 09-26-2008, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arne

Okay, government does not have the money to hand out a loan. They'll do what they usually do - ask the Federal Reserve to print the money, thereby they'll debase the currency. People will have to pay additional purchasing power to the government through the inflation tax. This is especially good for politicians, because most people don't know why there dollars won't buy them anything anymore so they just cut back on their consumption or go deeper into debt, but most of the people won't realize what's happened.

no, the fed has not done that, they have so far used reserves rather than just "print the money". that was the point I made in the other thread that the money supply was not increased to provide the loan to aig.

Quote:

IF there's gonna be money coming back, I'd bet government will treat it as additional income and invent another Departement to spend it on.

Now Bernanke already said that it would be good for the government to buy all those MBS at above market prices. So the profits will go to all the people who foolishly invested in mortgage backed securities and it will be taken from the whole population especially those who can't increase their income in an inflationary scenario - for example the elderly.

the problem is that there is NO "market price" for these securities as there isn't a functioning marketplace. there's a huge gulf between what the buyers believe they will pay and what the sellers believe they are worth...and that is what the proposal is intended to accomplish, providing the government as the buyer and creating the marketplace for these securities to trade.

bernanke's unfortunate comment was not as you've characterized it, imo what he was saying is that it would be best for the government to pay a fair price for the securities and not the heavily discounted prices that bottom feeders are willing to pay today.
if we are to have a functioning financial system going forward the firms need to liquidate these securities but they can't sell them for 20 cents on the dollar and still have the capital base to invest in the future.

if you actually believe that the sellers of these securities are going to "profit", well you have not been paying attention to how much writedowns have already occured.

the crux of the problem today is that this malaise has seeped into what were "safe" places to place one's money...when money market accounts "broke the buck" it was the last straw. it is people like the elderly who are in harm's way now, they are the ones who have their $ in these type of accounts that should have been immune, but clearly they were not.

Mavdog · 09-26-2008, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 92bDad

McCain went to Washington, he brought Obama kicking and screaming and he enabled the Congress to refocus and move towards a good solution rather than a knee jerk solution.

Now he is showing that he is able to muti-task as he will follow through with the debate tonight.

Again, I don't care if it's tonight, tomorrow, next week or whenever...

What I did see is that McCain gave the people a voice and actually managed to have BI-partisn input...prior to his arrival, the Democrats where railroading a solution and not allowing for the Republicans to provide serious input.

McCain showed what it means to put Country first. He and other Republicans have gotten the attention of the Democrats and together they have appointed key people to hammer this thing out.

wow. rose colored glasses doesn't even quite apply to this fairy tale view.

reality is not something to hide from...

Mavdog · 09-26-2008, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kg_veteran

There's a lot of time between now and November 4, but it's sort of hard to argue with you right now.

well, as yogi said, "it ain't over until it's over", but this has not been mccain's finest hour.

there is time to recover, there is the possibility of an obama mistake/slipup.

but mccain did roll the dice and it looks like he crapped out.

rabbitproof · 09-26-2008, 01:09 PM

Ah, comedy.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...-to-washington

92bDad · 09-26-2008, 01:24 PM

From my viewpoint, Obama came off rather petty.

Meanwhile the Democrats came off looking manipulative...making claims that a deal was in place, when we hear from Countless Republican leaders that they where nowhere near a deal.

Again the Democrats take an issue where both sides need to work on a common consensus that has the people and country first, yet they turn it into a nother Partisan topic.

Ninkobei · 09-26-2008, 01:44 PM

does McCain even have the endurance to deal with two major events at the same time? I mean, can he do it without a couple of naps?

apparently he is showing up now for sure.

Flacolaco · 09-26-2008, 01:49 PM

Say what you want about McCain...but the dude has been on the campaign trail for a long time, hitting it just as hard as Obama is and he's held up just fine. You may not like his positions but you gotta admit he's a tough old mother effer.

mcsluggo · 09-26-2008, 02:32 PM

absolutely gotta agree there.

there has to be a little concern about what he will look/act/be like in 8 years though... you never can tell when some sory of a decline will happen. Reagan definately wasn't the same in 89 as he was in 80 (although I think Hinkley had alot to do with that)

92bDad · 09-26-2008, 02:56 PM

Just to add to the economic topic of debates...I picked this up from another site, which puts some points on IRS Taxes:

INCOME TAX
MCCAIN
(no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250
OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!

Let me add this other little tidbit on their proposed tax plans:

CAPITAL GAINS TAX
MCCAIN 0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.
OBAMA 28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.)
DIVIDEND TAX
MCCAIN 15% (no change)
OBAMA 39.6% - (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on divide

Interesting figures and again a reason to Vote for McCain.

mary · 09-26-2008, 03:02 PM

Can we get a link, please?

92bDad · 09-26-2008, 03:04 PM

Let me add another intersting article...who is willing to work with both parties?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...rtisan/?page=3

What is causing so many to blindly follow the Obama camp?

92bDad · 09-26-2008, 03:16 PM

Wow...pretty cool link...need some help digging up the sources within the video, but it's pretty damning evidence against Obama and the Democrats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o

We can see clearly that the people Obama is surrounded by are either blind to the reality of their responsibilities in this mess, or they are flat out maniplative and simply want nothing more than the corrupt power they possess.

mary · 09-26-2008, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 92bDad

Just to add to the economic topic of debates...I picked this up from another site, which puts some points on IRS Taxes:

INCOME TAX
MCCAIN
(no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250
OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!

Let me add this other little tidbit on their proposed tax plans:

CAPITAL GAINS TAX
MCCAIN 0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.
OBAMA 28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.)
DIVIDEND TAX
MCCAIN 15% (no change)
OBAMA 39.6% - (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on divide

Interesting figures and again a reason to Vote for McCain.

Sigh...another chain e-mail.

It's just so sad.....

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec...fits_if_i.html

Quote:

Alert readers may already have noted that this chain e-mail does not provide links to any of Obama's actual proposals or cite any sources for the claims it makes. That is because they are made up.This widely distributed message is so full of misinformation that we find it impossible to believe that it is the result of simple ignorance or carelessness on the part of the writer. Almost nothing it says about Obama's tax proposals is true. We conclude that this deception is deliberate.

Mavdog · 09-26-2008, 04:10 PM

good call mary. those figures in the above post are bogus.

here's a website that has a good (and credible!) review of the two candidate's tax positions:

a summary of their different proposals broken out by topic

a great graph to see just what is being offered

Arne · 09-26-2008, 04:25 PM

Great debate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5WiE6MnmCM

chumdawg · 09-26-2008, 09:39 PM

Initial reaction: I think both candidates did about as well as they could have hoped.

kg_veteran · 09-26-2008, 10:36 PM

I thought McCain won by a fair margin, but Obama did well enough for his purposes.