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JustJay · 02-06-2023, 06:58 PM

I wouldn't mind Jae Crowder, he's not even going to games with the team anymore. Couldn't require a ton to get him.

Week or two ago I thought he was going to the Bucks, it fell through I guess.

BPo001 · 02-06-2023, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JustJay

I wouldn't mind Jae Crowder, he's not even going to games with the team anymore. Couldn't require a ton to get him.

Week or two ago I thought he was going to the Bucks, it fell through I guess.

Why do you think he wouldn?t cost much? Seems like PHX is happy to let him sit unless they get a decent package.

JustJay · 02-06-2023, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

Why do you think he wouldn?t cost much? Seems like PHX is happy to let him sit unless they get a decent package.

Who knows, I think they want to include him with Paul and get something good. They tried to trade Paul + Crowder for Kyrie but failed. But things can change quickly as the deadline approaches. Usually teams don't like to keep players that aren't even interested in flying with them after deadlines.

EricaLubarsky · 02-06-2023, 07:12 PM

Mavs get Sparey McSparelington

Mavs fans post amazing highlights

Mavs get an allstar starter. Crickets.

We need to fix that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCZNA6H7o90

JustJay · 02-06-2023, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Mavs get Sparey McSparelington

Mavs fans post amazing highlights

Mavs get an allstar starter. Crickets.

We need to fix that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCZNA6H7o90

I already did my celebration of Kyrie yesterday, but there's still more work that needs to be done. And there's only until Thursday to do it. I think we all know more moves need to be made as this will be a historically bad defensive team and extremely poor rebounding team.

Many people were also 100% against getting Kyrie before we did. I'm not one of those but I must admit he's had his issues everywhere he went and only won with Lebron.

How do we even know this is not Rondo 2.0 and he leaves after the season? It could be, I'm optimistic it won't be but who knows.

Edit: sorry I thought your post was a reply to me wanting Crowder but now that I re-read it I don't think it was. My mistake.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-06-2023, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Mavs get Sparey McSparelington

Mavs fans post amazing highlights

Mavs get an allstar starter. Crickets.

We need to fix that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCZNA6H7o90

This is why I often say some fans are as bad as the FO.

Fans- WE NEED TO GET LUKA HELP YESTERDAY!

Also fans- HOW COULD YOU TRADE DODO? I CRIED ALL DAY!

SMC0007 · 02-06-2023, 08:31 PM

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This is why I often say some fans are as bad as the FO.

Fans- WE NEED TO GET LUKA HELP YESTERDAY!

Also fans- HOW COULD YOU TRADE DODO? I CRIED ALL DAY!

I saw the "I cried" crew on Twitter last night. Good grief. Doe is a good fn dude and I'm sure everyone feels for him, but trades are always a thinf...every year. I can't imagine crying about this though. How soft are folks and how do you actually handle real hard times in life. Dude makes incredible money and has job security.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-06-2023, 08:43 PM

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I saw the "I cried" crew on Twitter last night. Good grief. Doe is a good fn dude and I'm sure everyone feels for him, but trades are always a thinf...every year. I can't imagine crying about this though. How soft are folks and how do you actually handle real hard times in life. Dude makes incredible money and has job security.

I mean, we were all crying to how painful it was watching Luka carry run into the ground every night. And that was everyone bitching and crying about it.

I can't control what the guy does off of the court. But my basketball self is ecstatic for 27 ppg added.

SMC0007 · 02-06-2023, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Mavs get Sparey McSparelington

Mavs fans post amazing highlights

Mavs get an allstar starter. Crickets.

We need to fix that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCZNA6H7o90

I get hesitation with Kyrie off the court and thr potential headache... on the court however, killer duo now at least. No question.

JustJay · 02-06-2023, 07:29 PM

If Wood wants to be here and not get traded, and Mavs have offered him an extension and he isn't taking it, the logical conclusion to me would be the Mavs aren't offering him max $$$ and years.

EricaLubarsky · 02-06-2023, 07:33 PM

Btw

Kyrie is first in the league in 4th quarter scoring where he shoots 50% from the field and 90% from FT

Luka is 18th and shoots 48% and 69% from FT

BigDog63 · 02-07-2023, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Btw

Kyrie is first in the league in 4th quarter scoring where he shoots 50% from the field and 90% from FT

Luka is 18th and shoots 48% and 69% from FT

That will come in very handy! Especially the FT's.

JustJay · 02-06-2023, 08:33 PM

I like DFS but he's an average player, Spencer is above average but he's not Kyrie, the first round pick is not until 2029. This was a no-brainer trade, even with Kyrie's baggage.

BigDog63 · 02-07-2023, 12:34 AM

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I like DFS but he's an average player, Spencer is above average but he's not Kyrie, the first round pick is not until 2029. This was a no-brainer trade, even with Kyrie's baggage.

DFS is NOT an average player...someone every team in the league would like to have. Not going to wow with stats, that's true, but he's a very solid player, definitely above average. Mavs are going to miss him...who guards other team's best player now? That was always DFS.

Not saying it wasn't a good trade, but everyone constantly undervalued our players. There is a reason the Mavs really struggled when they were injured...if DFS were 'average' he'd have been easy to replace; same with Kleber, etc.

EricaLubarsky · 02-06-2023, 11:27 PM

Ha! Rumors are we offered the Jazz a deal for Gobert per LegionHoops (one of the worst sources out there)

JustJay · 02-07-2023, 12:00 AM

JustJay · 02-07-2023, 12:44 AM

Depending on the opponent, we can pull off occasional 3 guard lineups Luka-Kyrie-Jalen.

Dallas41 · 02-07-2023, 01:57 AM

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Depending on the opponent, we can pull off occasional 3 guard lineups Luka-Kyrie-Jalen.

Found this on MMB and this is a big issue after trading DFS especially if they run into the Clippers 1st round

MMB
Tim Hardaway Jr. and Christian Wood are poor fits with the Mavericks' new backcourt. Both are offense-first players, but that is the last thing Dallas needs with Doncic and Irving averaging over 60 points per game combined. The Mavs need 3-and-D wings, an upgrade at the five, and a third playmaker. Without those pieces, Dallas barely raised their chances of escaping the first round of the playoffs, despite having two of the ten All-Star starters on their roster.

The trade market lacks sellers, so finding those missing pieces will be tough and costly. Counting on internal growth from Josh Green and improved play out of Reggie Bullock could cover their 3-and-D needs, but it would force both players to push near 40 minutes a night in the postseason. They will be worn out by the conference finals leaving Dallas one option short.

JustJay · 02-07-2023, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

Found this on MMB and this is a big issue after trading DFS especially if they run into the Clippers 1st round

MMB
Tim Hardaway Jr. and Christian Wood are poor fits with the Mavericks' new backcourt. Both are offense-first players, but that is the last thing Dallas needs with Doncic and Irving averaging over 60 points per game combined. The Mavs need 3-and-D wings, an upgrade at the five, and a third playmaker. Without those pieces, Dallas barely raised their chances of escaping the first round of the playoffs, despite having two of the ten All-Star starters on their roster.

The trade market lacks sellers, so finding those missing pieces will be tough and costly. Counting on internal growth from Josh Green and improved play out of Reggie Bullock could cover their 3-and-D needs, but it would force both players to push near 40 minutes a night in the postseason. They will be worn out by the conference finals leaving Dallas one option short.

Is Maxi coming back? That would help. But yes that's my biggest worry is defense.

Bryan_Wilson · 02-07-2023, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

Found this on MMB and this is a big issue after trading DFS especially if they run into the Clippers 1st round

MMB
Tim Hardaway Jr. and Christian Wood are poor fits with the Mavericks' new backcourt. Both are offense-first players, but that is the last thing Dallas needs with Doncic and Irving averaging over 60 points per game combined. The Mavs need 3-and-D wings, an upgrade at the five, and a third playmaker. Without those pieces, Dallas barely raised their chances of escaping the first round of the playoffs, despite having two of the ten All-Star starters on their roster.

The trade market lacks sellers, so finding those missing pieces will be tough and costly. Counting on internal growth from Josh Green and improved play out of Reggie Bullock could cover their 3-and-D needs, but it would force both players to push near 40 minutes a night in the postseason. They will be worn out by the conference finals leaving Dallas one option short.

I'd like to move Wood because I just don't think there won't be a team that isn't willing to throw significant money at him in free agency and we lose another free agent for nothing. But if the right trade isn't there then it can't be helped, and I'm personally less concerned with his fit with regards to the comments above then I am THJ. I'm literally praying we move THJ for just about anything if nothing else to open up some shots for others.

Is Crowder a candidate for a buyout? Not sure a team trades for him and instead looks to get him as a buyout option if that's likely or not I don't know.

Also another aside- Did anyone watch the Cuban interview today? Maybe it's just me but he didn't exactly sound like someone who was for sure making more moves. He said something to the effect of "we are always looking to improve the team but the Kyrie move wasn't a small one". Almost sounded like he was saying "sure we could but we like what we did and are fine if that's all". Cuban isn't one to hold back his words and if they felt they needed to make another move I think his wording would have been different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx8Kh51kxvA 1:25 is the question I'm referring to- about further moves.

BigDog63 · 02-07-2023, 02:25 PM

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I'd like to move Wood because I just don't think there won't be a team that isn't willing to throw significant money at him in free agency and we lose another free agent for nothing.

I tend to agree with you, but that's not what everyone is saying. They don't think he'll have a huge market in FA. Were talking maybe 2 years for $32M if Mavs offered he'd probably take it.

He's a good player, but is he what the Mavs need now? Would need to see improvement in rim protection/rebounding. Which he has shown, but will it keep up?

Woods isn't the problem contract they need to get rid of though. That's THJ and Bertans. But everyone knows they are problem contracts...no idea what they could get for them. Be like the KP trade if KP didn't really have any upside, or in Bertans case, value to start with (HITF did he ever get the contract he did?)
Nico....do your magic!

Zeus · 02-07-2023, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

Found this on MMB and this is a big issue after trading DFS especially if they run into the Clippers 1st round

MMB
Tim Hardaway Jr. and Christian Wood are poor fits with the Mavericks' new backcourt. Both are offense-first players, but that is the last thing Dallas needs with Doncic and Irving averaging over 60 points per game combined. The Mavs need 3-and-D wings, an upgrade at the five, and a third playmaker. Without those pieces, Dallas barely raised their chances of escaping the first round of the playoffs, despite having two of the ten All-Star starters on their roster.

The trade market lacks sellers, so finding those missing pieces will be tough and costly. Counting on internal growth from Josh Green and improved play out of Reggie Bullock could cover their 3-and-D needs, but it would force both players to push near 40 minutes a night in the postseason. They will be worn out by the conference finals leaving Dallas one option short.

Don't necessarily agree they would be history in the playoffs because they lost DFS. If the offensive combo of Kyrie, Luka and Wood is so multi sigma great then they can overcome defensive deficiency since offensive variance on the great side is always larger than defensive variance on the great side.

Bryan_Wilson · 02-07-2023, 07:53 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTFqvBQygGg

edit- title of vid is a bit troll, it's full interview and that title covers a small portion of the questions.

Dallas41 · 02-07-2023, 02:03 AM

Also on 105.3 Brian Scalabrine stated he believes Dallas should trade Wood in order to get a wing defender.

Right now we don't have the same pieces we had last year that matched up with Mitchell, Booker and Wiggins.

JJ Reddick also voiced his concerns with the lack of defensive wings on his podcast.

I think he mentioned guys like Roco and Thybuile could be sneaky good pickups

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-07-2023, 09:32 AM

Tmac- Lakers discussing deal with Jazz 2027 and 2029 firsts plus WB for Mike Conley and Malik Beasley.

I mean, if they want to give up two firsts for that, then I feel a lot better about what we gave up for Kyrie. .

JustJay · 02-07-2023, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Tmac- Lakers discussing deal with Jazz 2027 and 2029 firsts plus WB for Mike Conley and Malik Beasley.

I mean, if they want to give up two firsts for that, then I feel a lot better about what we gave up for Kyrie. .

I heard Jennie Buss didn't want to go all in for Kyrie with unprotected draft picks in the future that would effect the team after Lebron retired. If that's true then I don't believe this is true. But who knows.

BPo001 · 02-07-2023, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Tmac- Lakers discussing deal with Jazz 2027 and 2029 firsts plus WB for Mike Conley and Malik Beasley.

I mean, if they want to give up two firsts for that, then I feel a lot better about what we gave up for Kyrie. .

Weird that the Lakers are willing to offer their 2 first rounds picks just to get rid of WB considering he is a FA this summer.

I don?t know why the Jazz wouldn?t jump on that deal. They aren?t going to win it all anytime soon. Stack all those first round picks you can get.

SMC0007 · 02-07-2023, 09:33 AM

I watched the Cuban interview. I didn't get the feeling that he wouldn't make a move that helps us. He might feel like with what he has done, he has room to be a little more picky about deals that aren't in our favor or will clearly make us better. I think some of the fluff he says is more about the fact that the players are human and he is around them a lot so he doesn't want everyone else on pins and needles.

BPo001 · 02-07-2023, 11:37 AM

Shams Charania: The Miami Heat are trading center Dewayne Dedmon and a second-round pick to the San Antonio Spurs, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium . ? via Twitter ShamsCharania

BPo001 · 02-07-2023, 11:39 AM

Some of that financial maneuvering could happen before Thursday?s trade deadline. The Mavs have been shopping shooting guard Tim Hardaway Jr., who is owed $34 million over the two remaining years on his contract, since last season, sources told ESPN. That is expected to continue leading up to the deadline, as second-year general manager Nico Harrison hopes to upgrade a 24th-ranked defense that took a significant hit with Finney-Smith?s departure. ? via Brian Windhorst @ ESPN

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-07-2023, 11:54 AM

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Some of that financial maneuvering could happen before Thursday?s trade deadline. The Mavs have been shopping shooting guard Tim Hardaway Jr., who is owed $34 million over the two remaining years on his contract, since last season, sources told ESPN. That is expected to continue leading up to the deadline, as second-year general manager Nico Harrison hopes to upgrade a 24th-ranked defense that took a significant hit with Finney-Smith?s departure. ? via Brian Windhorst @ ESPN

Yes please. If this happens, then you could actually run Luka/Kyrie/Hardy like they did with Luka/Brunson/Dinwiddie.

JustJay · 02-07-2023, 11:43 AM

Unless we're throwing in a first rounder, I predict THJ will still be a Mav after Thursday. Would love to be wrong.

EricaLubarsky · 02-07-2023, 12:37 PM

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Unless we're throwing in a first rounder, I predict THJ will still be a Mav after Thursday. Would love to be wrong.

I think this is the sad truth.

Lots of talk that the Mavs tried to dump THJ but the Nets viewed him as a negative asset. In other words, we may have to pay teams to get rid of him. For a team that is asset-poor, I think we may be stuck with him.

If it's between trading a FRP for a PF/C and using that FRP to get a team to take THJ, I would take talent.

EricaLubarsky · 02-07-2023, 12:41 PM

ESPN: Mavs are actively shopping THJ, Wood, and McGee

Mavs upgraded talent.
Mavs know who the weak points on the roster are

Now we have 48 hours to see if they get what they need (starting center, PF, backup PG)

BPo001 · 02-07-2023, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

ESPN: Mavs are actively shopping THJ, Wood, and McGee

Mavs upgraded talent.
Mavs know who the weak points on the roster are

Now we have 48 hours to see if they get what they need (starting center, PF, backup PG)

Assuming this is true we can?t fault them for trying. THJ contract decreases yearly, so there is a small glimmer of hope that someone wants him. Hopefully the can move McGee for someone more useful.

twistaeffect2004 · 02-07-2023, 12:44 PM

I love the aggressiveness. It will be tough shedding THJ however.

Looks like Dwight Powell is destined to be a Mav forever.

BigDog63 · 02-07-2023, 02:29 PM

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I love the aggressiveness. It will be tough shedding THJ however.

His isn't even the real problem contract...that's Bertans.

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Looks like Dwight Powell is destined to be a Mav forever.

I'm ok with that. He is a better player than most give him credit for. Everyone looks at what he doesn't do, and not at what he does. If Powell is the bad contract we need to eliminate, Mavs just won a championship (ie, if he's our worst player, we're damn good).

purplefrog · 02-07-2023, 02:52 PM

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His isn't even the real problem contract...that's Bertans.

According to Spotrac, the last year of Bertans contract is only guaranteed at $5M. I was surprised given all the talk about it being the worst or one of the worst contracts in the NBA. Still too high given his paltry contributions, but not as bad as advertised.

saclare · 02-07-2023, 01:01 PM

RE: Jarred Vanderbilt

https://fansided.com/2023/02/06/nba-...t-move-likely/

If all it might take is a couple of 2nd rounders, let's get it going. Basically DFS with better rebounding.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-07-2023, 01:11 PM

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RE: Jarred Vanderbilt

https://fansided.com/2023/02/06/nba-...t-move-likely/

If all it might take is a couple of 2nd rounders, let's get it going. Basically DFS with better rebounding.

Yes.