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BPo001 · 07-27-2013, 10:26 PM

Just for discussions sake who might be available and who might we be interested in? What would it take to grab them?

spreedom · 07-28-2013, 12:39 AM

Impossible to say. Most guys that would be available at the trade deadline are also available now. One big difference is that we can't absorb big salaries now because we're capped out.

Dirk's Knee · 07-28-2013, 09:03 AM

Let's give the team a chance to play some games before talking about trades.

Murphy3 · 07-28-2013, 09:48 AM

Why?

Underdog · 07-28-2013, 10:15 AM

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Why?

Hmmmmm, maybe so we can see what we have first?

dude1394 · 07-28-2013, 10:32 AM

Trade geeks are trade geeks. Let them have their fun, no skin off anyone's nose.

Underdog · 07-28-2013, 11:29 AM

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Trade geeks are trade geeks. Let them have their fun, no skin off anyone's nose.

But nobody's roster is finalized, including ours... We have no idea what our guys are going to look like together, so we have no idea what our needs are... And we have no idea what other teams' needs are either... Don't get me wrong, I LOVE trade speculation, but it's almost impossible to gauge the market without knowing these things.

Although I'm all for bumping this thread once the subject becomes relevant after the season starts.

Dirk's Knee · 07-28-2013, 12:57 PM

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But nobody's roster is finalized, including ours... We have no idea what our guys are going to look like together, so we have no idea what our needs are... And we have no idea what other teams' needs are either... Don't get me wrong, I LOVE trade speculation, but it's almost impossible to gauge the market without knowing these things.

Although I'm all for bumping this thread once the subject becomes relevant after the season starts.

Exactly. At this point all it would be is salary match fantasy gm discussion. Teams initiate trades to deal with needs, and those needs really aren't known until the season starts. Plus with so many free agent signings, vast majority of roster except the rookies must be held until mid December.

Murphy3 · 07-28-2013, 03:24 PM

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Hmmmmm, maybe so we can see what we have first?

It's all just speculation.. If you don't want to speculate.. just don't be a part of the thread. Problem solved.

Murphy3 · 07-28-2013, 03:26 PM

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Exactly. At this point all it would be is salary match fantasy gm discussion. Teams initiate trades to deal with needs, and those needs really aren't known until the season starts. Plus with so many free agent signings, vast majority of roster except the rookies must be held until mid December.

Again, if you don't want to speculate, just don't read the thread..or don't comment.

Underdog · 07-28-2013, 05:17 PM

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It's all just speculation.. If you don't want to speculate.. just don't be a part of the thread. Problem solved.

So go ahead and speculate... Or are you just here to tell people how to post?

EricaLubarsky · 07-28-2013, 05:51 PM

I say we trade Greg Oden for Rajon Rondo.

oilfieldtrash · 07-28-2013, 06:00 PM

Hopefully some new guys become available. I don't see Dallas giving up much for Grainger or Gortat since we can just sign them outright next summer. It's really hard to tell who'll be available that isn't now.

Underdog · 07-28-2013, 06:04 PM

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It's really hard to tell who'll be available that isn't now.

100% agree, but I guess stating the obvious isn't allowed in this thread.

Bayliss · 07-28-2013, 06:10 PM

Gortat
Asik
Lin
Granger

Those are the only 4 off the top of my head.

Underdog · 07-28-2013, 06:23 PM

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Gortat
Asik
Lin
Granger

Those are the only 4 off the top of my head.

So nobody who isn't already available...

Houston's recent acquisition of Camby pretty much means Asik will be moved before the start of the season, which effectively takes him off the market for a deadline trade - unless they're willing to trade him to a divisional rival for Shawn Marion, which would've already happened if it was going to.

The only way we're getting Lin is if we swap Calderon for him, since Houston doesn't have a ready replacement waiting in the wings.

I could see Gortat or Granger moving before the deadline, but I'm not sure what we have that either Phoenix or Indy would want... Not until after the season starts, anyway, since it's hard to evaluate what a team needs before they've evaluated what they have (but now I'm repeating myself...)

Bayliss · 07-28-2013, 06:46 PM

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So nobody who isn't already available...

Houston's recent acquisition of Camby pretty much means Asik will be moved before the start of the season, which effectively takes him off the market for a deadline trade - unless they're willing to trade him to a divisional rival for Shawn Marion, which would've already happened if it was going to.

The only way we're getting Lin is if we swap Calderon for him, since Houston doesn't have a ready replacement waiting in the wings.

I could see Gortat or Granger moving before the deadline, but I'm not sure what we have that either Phoenix or Indy would want... Not until after the season starts, anyway, since it's hard to evaluate what a team needs before they've evaluated what they have (but now I'm repeating myself...)

I'm not sure Camby changing anything with Asik. Camby didn't even play last year. And I don't even think he could play now.

As for the names I mentioned... just throwing out the ones who are "on the trading block"........

Underdog · 07-28-2013, 06:52 PM

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I'm not sure Camby changing anything with Asik. Camby didn't even play last year. And I don't even think he could play now.

Oh, should I have mentioned Dwight Howard as well? Asik's cost is going to triple in 14-15, so I have no doubt that Houston is going to move him as soon as possible, since his greatest value to another team comes this season... And I highly doubt it's going to be to a division rival for Shawn Marion. They also have Greg Smith, who, with Camby, should be more than sufficient to back up their new franchise payer.

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As for the names I mentioned... just throwing out the ones who are "on the trading block"

Which means all of them could be traded before the season even starts - but not to Dallas, since we don't have the means to get any of them.

Doesn't make the conversation any more relevant.

spreedom · 07-28-2013, 07:01 PM

I don't think the real dollars owed to Asik would prevent the Rockets from keeping him... I think it's the cap hit. But either way, I agree that they'd be wise to flip him for another asset, like a pair of rock-solid backups.

Underdog · 07-28-2013, 07:12 PM

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I don't think the real dollars owed to Asik would prevent the Rockets from keeping him... I think it's the cap hit. But either way, I agree that they'd be wise to flip him for another asset, like a pair of rock-solid backups.

Yeah, I was talking about the cap hit - multi-millionaire/billionaire owners don't care about real dollars. Their franchise is a hobby, not a primary source of income.

dude1394 · 07-28-2013, 08:21 PM

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Yeah, I was talking about the cap hit - multi-millionaire/billionaire owners don't care about real dollars. Their franchise is a hobby, not a primary source of income.

You do realize that you have way more posts in this premature thread than anyone else by orders of magnitude.

Underdog · 07-28-2013, 08:50 PM

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You do realize that you have way more posts in this premature thread than anyone else by orders of magnitude.

That fact definitely isn't lost on me... But I'd rather prove that this thread is premature through points and counterpoints than just say it.

And like I said before - I LOVE trade speculation. Once rosters are finalized and the season gets underway, I'll be speculating as much as anyone.

BPo001 · 07-28-2013, 10:47 PM

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Oh, should I have mentioned Dwight Howard as well? Asik's cost is going to triple in 14-15, so I have no doubt that Houston is going to move him as soon as possible, since his greatest value to another team comes this season... And I highly doubt it's going to be to a division rival for Shawn Marion. They also have Greg Smith, who, with Camby, should be more than sufficient to back up their new franchise payer.

Which means all of them could be traded before the season even starts - but not to Dallas, since we don't have the means to get any of them.

Doesn't make the conversation any more relevant.

I really think the idea of trading a player to a division rival is overrated. Teams make trades because they think it makes their team better. What does it matter if its to a division rival or some other team?

Underdog · 07-28-2013, 11:16 PM

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I really think the idea of trading a player to a division rival is overrated. Teams make trades because they think it makes their team better. What does it matter if its to a division rival or some other team?

It matters a whole lot when you're a potential playoff team - which is why you won't be able to list any trades between division rivals that involved key players (and, no, the recent Celts-Nets trade doesn't count because Boston blew up their roster and is no longer a potential playoff team).

He15man · 07-29-2013, 02:31 AM

Our 2nd round pick in the 2014 draft + cash considerations for DeMarcus Cousins

GermanStandard · 07-29-2013, 05:43 AM

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Our 2nd round pick in the 2014 draft + cash considerations for DeMarcus Cousins

Cash Considerations of roundabout 50-60 Million?

DTownKidd · 07-29-2013, 07:14 AM

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Oh, should I have mentioned Dwight Howard as well? Asik's cost is going to triple in 14-15, so I have no doubt that Houston is going to move him as soon as possible, since his greatest value to another team comes this season... And I highly doubt it's going to be to a division rival for Shawn Marion. They also have Greg Smith, who, with Camby, should be more than sufficient to back up their new franchise payer.

Which means all of them could be traded before the season even starts - but not to Dallas, since we don't have the means to get any of them.

Doesn't make the conversation any more relevant.

The cap hit only applied to Chicago if they matched the offer from Houston. Asik is ~8 million a year for 3 years, to the Rockets.

I agree with Bayliss that this has no effect on them moving Asik. Asik to Camby would be a huge drop off and for all I know they are still not in a bad cap situation for this year so there is no point to move him. It would look pretty bad if they moved Asik and Camby becomes a liability on the floor.

On top of all of this, what would we be able to offer?

Underdog · 07-29-2013, 07:24 AM

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The cap hit only applied to Chicago if they matched the offer from Houston. Asik is ~8 million a year for 3 years, to the Rockets.

I agree with Bayliss that this has no effect on them moving Asik. Asik to Camby would be a huge drop off and for all I know they are still not in a bad cap situation for this year so there is no point to move him. It would look pretty bad if they moved Asik and Camby becomes a liability on the floor.

On top of all of this, what would we be able to offer?

You're not exactly disagreeing with me... We can offer Marion, and I have no idea why Houston would make that trade. I still think $8m is too much to pay a guy who is backing up a franchise player, but whatever - the point is moot.

So scratch Asik off our list of deadline targets? That makes this thread even more pointless...

DTownKidd · 07-29-2013, 08:07 AM

If anyone is going to make a move for Marion, it will be a contender. OKC is where I am looking.

How about Sefolosha, Lamb, and filler for Marion and 2nd rounder?

Underdog · 07-29-2013, 09:26 AM

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If anyone is going to make a move for Marion, it will be a contender. OKC is where I am looking.

How about Sefolosha, Lamb, and filler for Marion and 2nd rounder?

That deal looks like you're trading Marion just for the sake of trading Marion.

Dirk's Knee · 07-29-2013, 10:34 AM

Just for info's sake, here's the restrictions around what we have:

Dirk Nowitski - No trade clause. Not gonna happen.

Shawn Marion - 15% trade kicker. In other words, Marion really will only be attractive to teams desperate to shed salary in 2014 making it a certainty that Dallas would have to take on a bad contract in return. IMHO, ride it out with Marion and take advantage of his salary coming off the books at the end of the season. Likely we can retain him for less.

Vince Carter - 10% trade kicker. Carter's contract is so reasonable the the kicker is a non-issue, but do you really want to trade him based on how well he's played? Would have to get something very good in return.

Samuel Dalembert - 15% trade kicker, additionally must be held until 12/15/2013. Is Dalembert worth $4.2 mil to someone? Second year is non-guaranteed, so maybe. But considering we got him for nearly half last years contract (which was half of his peak salary in 2011, falling fast), it would seem that anyone willing to pay him $4+ mil would've picked him up before us. As such, it would likely have to be someone desperate for a center due to injury or really wanting money off the books next year, which means we wouldn't be getting much of a big man in return and/or taking on a potentially bad contract. That said, at this point I'd see him as the most likely Mavs to be included in a trade. Look for second string big men on teams in the luxury with multi-year salaries making up to $5.5 mil range, those will be your best bets. Slim pickings...

Brandon Wright - Due to his bird rights and getting a greater than 20% raise, he's ineligible for a trade until 1/15/2013 rather than the standard 12/15/2013 date for free agent signings. As the most efficient scorer on the squad last season with the potential for further improvement, I wouldn't consider trading him unless part of a deal which brings in an guaranteed All-Star.

Must be held until 12/15/2013 - Calderon, Ellis, Ellington, Blair, Harris (not yet official), and Mekel. So really, this is the group of guys which are most likely to be part of any real deals.

Bernard James is a big question mark to me. He should be restricted until 12/15 but there are some additional rules surrounding waived players which create an implicit no-trade. However, at the min really his only worth in a trade would be as part of a bigger deal anyway.

Ledo must be held until 8/24/2013. As an unproven rookie, not going to be worth anything unless he explodes. And in that case, we'd want to keep him.

Larkin must be held until 8/29/2013 - Again as an unproven rookie, not going to be worth anything unless he explodes. And in that case, we'd want to keep him.

EDITED 7/30/2013 with further contract details.

He15man · 07-29-2013, 12:49 PM

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Cash Considerations of roundabout 50-60 Million?

It would help them pay for their new arena

sike · 07-29-2013, 11:13 PM

So who might we pick up at the 2019 deadline? THAT's what I want to speculate about. This may be going out on a limb, but I'm thinking that the Mavs might be looking for an athletic shot blocking, paint dominating Big Man! Thoughts?

EricaLubarsky · 07-30-2013, 12:39 AM

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So who might we pick up at the 2019 deadline? THAT's what I want to speculate about. This may be going out on a limb, but I'm thinking that the Mavs might be looking for an athletic shot blocking, paint dominating Big Man! Thoughts?

Dirk will be down to 18ppg (after gettin to #2 on the all time scoring list), so I think we'll need a scorer.

Kidd Karma · 07-30-2013, 01:55 PM

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So who might we pick up at the 2019 deadline? THAT's what I want to speculate about. This may be going out on a limb, but I'm thinking that the Mavs might be looking for an athletic shot blocking, paint dominating Big Man! Thoughts?

Ha, that 8th grader down the street. Or would that be Jabari Parker, Wiggins, Aaron Gordon......the dream continues.