Drew Gooden

[zanahale]

The Orlando Sentinel is reporting that Drew Gooden may be on the block and Dallas is one of the teams interested in him. Drew states he is comfortable playing in a backup role or being a starter. He has only been in the league for 3 years. he is 6' 10" and around 240.

YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
02-03 MEM 51 29 26.1 .443 .304 .697 2.10 3.70 5.80 1.2 .75 .43 2.06 2.40 12.1
02-03 ORL 19 18 28.6 .498 .000 .738 3.10 5.40 8.40 1.1 .79 .68 2.37 2.70 13.6
02-03 -- 70 47 26.8 .457 .292 .712 2.30 4.20 6.50 1.2 .76 .50 2.14 2.50 12.5
03-04 ORL 79 17 27.0 .445 .214 .637 2.00 4.50 6.50 1.1 .78 .91 1.59 2.50 11.6
Career 149 64 26.9 .451 .256 .671 2.20 4.30 6.50 1.2 .77 .72 1.85 2.50 12.0
Playoff 7 7 33.4 .400 .000 .722 4.00 8.70 12.70 .6 .43 .86 1.71 3.30 14.0


Anyone interested in him?....maybe as a backup to Dirk or maybe as a rotation guy (not permanent) for the center position. I've see this guy play before and he can be a beast on the boards!

Obviosly, he is too small (weight wise) to be a true center, but he could definitely split time between PF/C.

It would most likely have to be a multiple player transaction hopefully giving more bodies then we receive

Here is the Link

Yes I know, this does not solve our center problem. I think of it as an interim trade hopefully landing a center later and I dont think we would have to trade any critical pieces to do it. It would still allow us to keep Walker to try to land a center.

[uberfan]

He would be better as a SF/PF option than C/PF option. But he is young and developing and would fit in for the future development . I wonder if a 3 way deal could be done sending him to GS in somehow and bringing Dampier here.

As far as a straight up deal with Orlando, his contract matches up with either Najera or Delk. Magic is looking for a vet front court player. I am not sure how much if any cap room Magic have left, but Laettner would fit their requirements as far as getting a vet front court player, and his contract expires after the season. Contracts don't match though.

[giantbenmav]

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 34.6 minutes)
PG Tony Delk (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.4 minutes)
Dallas receives: PG Grant Hill (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.4 minutes)
PF Drew Gooden (11.6 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 27.0 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -8.4 ppg, -3.6 rpg, and -4.3 apg.

Orlando trades: PG Grant Hill (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.4 minutes)
PF Drew Gooden (11.6 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 27.0 minutes)
Orlando receives: PF Antoine Walker (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 82 games)
PG Tony Delk (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 33 games)
Change in team outlook: +8.4 ppg, +3.6 rpg, and +4.3 apg.

WHY Orland does this?
#1 they get rid of Hills contract, and get back a player who can more than adequately fill the void left by Gooden for one year while Howard gets a year under his belt. This would give them an expiring contract, and another contract with Delk that will expire in another year. Delk could compete for some time at either guard position becuase they have a LOT of young unproven players after you get past Francis and Mobley....

WHY Dallas does this?
They get back a good young player in Gooden who could be a long term solution at PF depth, SF depth, and possibly the Center rotation.....yes we get the albatross that is known as Grant Hill, but this team is NEVER going to get under that CAP again so why worry about how much we are over it.....once you pass the threshold the only thing that can hold you back is you unwillingness to spend....who knows maybe Hill will turn into a decent roll player.....

I would do this in a heartbeat

[Dooby]

I like Gooden quite a bit. I think Gooden has a lot of upside. If Gooden were a FA, he would quickly get a half dozen teams' MLE; If Hedo Turkoglu can get $39M with worse numbers in similar minutes, then I don't see why Gooden is gonna get less. Najera or Delk ain't gonna cut it.



I think he has more upside than Josh Howard long-term.

You could do Howard/Walker for Grant Hill/Gooden. That puts Orlando about $7M under the cap next year, they move Mobley and they can get a max player.

[giantbenmav]

I would love to keep Howard, but if Gooden can play the 3 Howard is expendable........maybe we can get away with

Delk/Walker/Draft pick(s)

for

Hill / Gooden

instead of giving up Howard

[mattyd]

I hate to take back G. Hill - it seems like we already have enough players on the roster that can't play. I'd hate to add another one.

But, I'm VEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYY interested in Gooden. He's shown he can bea beast on the boards, in the East at least, but he's young and the potential is there - I bet he can be a banger for years to come in the West.

[madape]

Drew Gooden will get you 11 points and a little over 6 boards a game.

WHAT A BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAST!!!!

(Antoine Walker averages almost 9 boards per game)

Gooden may be THE worst rebounding power forward in the NBA.

Do you guys even watch basketball?

[rakesh.s]

there is no bigger spare in the nba than drew gooden..there's a reason jerry west traded him and there's a reason he was coming off the bench in orlando last year

he is the second coming of juwan howard

[DCowboysGal]

If Drew Gooden is such a great PF, why has ORL, a team perenially short on post players, kept trying to replace him there, first with the mediocre Juwan Howard and now with Dwight Howard? Just wondering...

[uberfan]

Orlando drafted Dwight Howard #1 and hope he can play the PF. That is why they want a vet front court player to bring D. Howard along.

Gooden is a SF/PF tweener. No one has yet stuck him one position and tried to develop him there. Before the Shaq trade there were some rumors that Miami was talking about doing Caron Butler for Gooden and DeClerq.

[Dooby]

Originally posted by: madape
Drew Gooden will get you 11 points and a little over 6 boards a game.

WHAT A BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAST!!!!

(Antoine Walker averages almost 9 boards per game)

Gooden may be THE worst rebounding power forward in the NBA.

Do you guys even watch basketball?

As soon as you get over your perpetual man-crush on Bradley, I will let you criticize a guy who gets 12 points and 6.5 boards in 25 minutes per game.

Originally posted by: rakesh.s
there is no bigger spare in the nba than drew gooden..there's a reason jerry west traded him and there's a reason he was coming off the bench in orlando last year

he is the second coming of juwan howard

We should be lucky if Josh Howard (or Drew Gooden) is the second coming of Juwan Howard. I don't know if you noticed, but Juwan Howard has averaged nearly 18 points and 7 boards a game for his career pretty consistently. Juwan Howard was overpaid, but that doesn't mean he sucks. Hell, at the $5M a year he gets now, he's a borderline bargain.

[mattyd]

"Beast" doesn't just mean stats - it is how he knows his role and brings energy to the locker room and court. Najera has been called a beast, a bully, a brut, etc. Gooden is longer and more athletic than Walker...

but for those that prefer Walker, enjoy your 40-50 win seasons and 1st round exits.

[mattyd]

forget it - we don't need any more athletes on the front court...

we've already got that bad ass group of bradley, fortson...and maybe we can bring back scott williams. hell yeah, we've got the West in the bag, baby!

[Nash13]

Dallas trades: SF Josh Howard (8.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.5 apg in 23.7 minutes)
PF Danny Fortson (3.9 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.1 minutes)
PF Luis Flores (3.9 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.1 minutes)
Dallas receives: PF Pat Garrity (1.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.5 apg in 11.0 minutes)
PF Drew Gooden (11.6 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 27.0 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +0.1 ppg, -3.5 rpg, and -0.1 apg.

Orlando trades: PF Pat Garrity (1.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.5 apg in 11.0 minutes)
PF Drew Gooden (11.6 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 27.0 minutes)
Orlando receives: SF Josh Howard (8.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.5 apg in 67 games)
PF Danny Fortson (3.9 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 56 games)
PF Luis Flores (3.9 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 56 games)
Change in team outlook: -0.1 ppg, +3.5 rpg, and +0.1 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

[madape]

As soon as you get over your perpetual man-crush on Bradley, I will let you criticize a guy who gets 12 points and 6.5 boards in 25 minutes per game.

As soon as I give a shit whether you "let me" criticize Drew Gooden, I'll stop criticizing Drew Gooden.

Drew Gooden is like a mini Juwan Howard. Less scoring ability, less rebounding ability, less defense... I'm sure Orlando is hoping that one day Drew Gooden will develop into something similar to the all-time disapointment that Juwan Howard has been. Right now, all they have is a terrible, terrible player.

[mattyd]

Enjoy the playoff numbers from Walker this year and Gooden last:

Walker:
G GS MPG FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
First Round
5 5 28.0 22-61 .361 1-10 .100 4-7 .571 4.60 5.40 10.00 2.4 1.20 .60 1.80 2.60 9.8

Gooden:
Playoff 7 7 33.4 .400 .000 .722 4.00 8.70 12.70 .6 .43 .86 1.71 3.30 14.0

And if I remember correctly, Gooden did that against Detriot.

[madape]

but for those that prefer Walker, enjoy your 40-50 win seasons and 1st round exits.

This thread is an absolute joke. Are you really comparing Drew Gooden's ability to lead his team deep into the playoffs to Antoine Walker? How many playoff games has Gooden even played in? In case you didn't notice, Walker lead Boston to the conference finals not too long ago. After aquiring Drew Gooden, Orlando quickly became the worst team in the NBA.

Your comparison is almost as ridiculous as the assertion that Drew Gooden is a "BEAST" on the boards... and I say "almost" because nothing could be more retarded than THAT statement.

[zanahale]

Madape,

Quit comparing him to Walker. Walker suks a$$. Rebounding is about the ONLY thing Walker can do ok.

For the record, Walker avg 8.3 rebounds at 34.6 minutes a game.
Drew avg 6.5 rebounds at 27 minutes a game.
The only reason why his minutes were less is cause he backed up Juwan Howard.

Do the math:
Walker - 8.3 divided by 34.6 = .239/minute or 11.51/ per 48 minutes
Drew - 6.5 divided by 27 = .240/minute or 11.55/per 48 minutes

Here is a few games where he clearly shows he can rebound well. He CAN pull them down, when given the minutes!!!!!!


Offensive Defensive Total Rebounds
Apr 8 at Nets 6 6 12
Mar 31 vsBulls 2 12 14
Mar 28 vsMavericks 3 7 10
Feb 27 vsCavaliers 4 10 14
Feb 22 at Pistons 1 8 9
Feb 20 vsNuggets 3 9 12
Jan 2 at Heat 3 8 11
Dec 25 vsCavaliers 6 4 10
Dec 21 at Raptors 4 10 14
Dec 19 vsWarriors 6 7 13
Dec 17 at Pacers 4 6 10
Dec 16 at Bulls 4 6 10
Dec 5 vsSpurs 7 8 15
Dec 3 at Hornets 4 8 12
Dec 2 vsHornets 5 9 14
Nov 17 at Jazz 1 8 9
Nov 15 at Clippers 0 11 11
Nov 12 vsGrizzlies 3 8 11
Nov 3 vsKnicks 3 6 9
Nov 1 vsPistons 3 7 10
Oct 30 vsHornets 6 5 11
Oct 29 at Knicks 4 5 9

I'm not talking about him being a starter for christs sake, just a role player!!!!!

[mattyd]

I think the numbers speak for themselves, not to mention the fact that Walker was and is a locker room cancer.

[madape]

Originally posted by: zanahale
Madape,

Quit comparing him to Walker. Walker suks a$$. Rebounding is about the ONLY thing Walker can do ok.

For the record, Walker avg 8.3 rebounds at 34.6 minutes a game.
Drew avg 6.5 rebounds at 27 minutes a game.
The only reason why his minutes were less is cause he backed up Juwan Howard.

Do the math:
Walker - 8.3 divided by 34.6 = .239/minute or 11.51/ per 48 minutes
Drew - 6.5 divided by 27 = .240/minute or 11.55/per 48 minutes

Here is a few games where he clearly shows he can rebound well. He CAN pull them down, when given the minutes!!!!!!

Nice try at manipulating the numbers, but Walker's real numbers are as follows:

Walker: 684 rebounds in 2,840 minutes = .240845 * 48 = 11.56056 boards per 48 minutes.

And I never said Walker was a "BEAST" on the boards, because he isn't. He's a multidemensional power forward that can handle the rock, score, dish, AND rebound as well or better than Drew Gooden.

It appears that Gooden is a one-dimensional player, who's one dimension isn't better than any ONE of Walker's multiple dimensions.

[mattyd]

So, Madape....spill the beans...do you want Walker to be a Mav next year?

By the way, in support of my fellow posters, no one is manipulating numbers, and I'm not the only one that has said Gooden CAN be a brut on the boards.

If the Gooden rumors are true, I want him because he's younger, more atheletic, etc. If this is a youth movement, I'm all for it....

[Evilmav2]

Hahahaha... This thread is bad comedy. You accuse the Ape of having a "mancrush" on the all-time leading shotblocker in Dallas Mavericks history, while you yourself, appear to be positively gushing about a scrub-ass piece of shit like Drew Gooden.

Well Dooby, all I'll say is that you have the right to hold on to your evident Drew Gooden "mancrush" for as long as that strange pleasure continues to sate your desires, but as you do so, I won't refrain from calling you a hypocrite.

I find it absolutely absurd that you would dare to malign the basketball production of a man like Antoine Walker all last year (the three time all-star produced 14 ppg, 8.6 rpg, and 4.5 apg while busting his ass playing all five positions for our Mavs and guarding our foes best post players night after night), and now you are sputtering on, praising the playing abilities of chump fools like Juwan Howard and his young, worthless clone, and former protege Drew Gooden (He of that amazing Orlando 12 ppg and 6.5 rpg that you were just bragging about).

Is Gooden's man-on-man defense better than Walker's? Is he a better rebounder? Is he a better passer, or will he ever be? Is he a better long range shooter? Does he have better post scoring ability? And would he be able to fit in, and help our Mavs more next year than the Employee could?

Go ahead and give me an unqualified "Yes" to any of my posed questions, and I'll anticipate that response by stating in advance that you are full of dog poop.

[madape]

Originally posted by: mattyd
I think the numbers speak for themselves, not to mention the fact that Walker was and is a locker room cancer.

Cancer? I'd like to hear you prove that "fact"

I do know one "fact" about Drew Gooden is that his team went from being a 44 win team before he arrived, to being a 42 win team in his first season, to being a 21 win team last season. Not exactly a stellar record of making his team better.

Similarly, Memphis became a MUCH better team after dumping Gooden (It took Jerry West less than 2/3 of a season to make that tough choice).

[madape]

Originally posted by: mattyd
So, Madape....spill the beans...do you want Walker to be a Mav next year?

By the way, in support of my fellow posters, no one is manipulating numbers, and I'm not the only one that has said Gooden CAN be a brut on the boards.

If the Gooden rumors are true, I want him because he's younger, more atheletic, etc. If this is a youth movement, I'm all for it....

I'll be the first to admit that Walker may be more valuble to this team via trade than he would be as a backup to Dirk. But if we can't work out a trade that makes sense, I'd love to Walk to be back next year. But if Walker, a three-time all-star and one of the most talented forwards in the league, can't help us, you can be DAMNED sure that a stinking pile of dog crap like Drew Gooden can't.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I'll take Gooden in a second.

[LRB]

I might take a flyer on Gooden if we could dump Delk and Walker on the Magic. If Howard has to be included then it's a complete deal breaker.

[dalmations202]

I'd take a flyer on him, if it gets rid of people at a 5-2 margin or something similar. I wouldn't give up Howard, or anything really good for a backup to Dirk that isn't going to get more than 10-12 minutes a night playing time though.

[Dooby]

Originally posted by: Evilmav2
Hahahaha... What a joke. You accuse the Ape of having a "mancrush" on the all-time leading shotblocker in Dallas Mavericks history, while you yourself, appear to be positively gushing about a scrub-ass piece of shit like Drew Gooden.

Well Dooby, all I'll say is that you have the right to hold on to your evident Drew Gooden "mancrush" for as long as that strange pleasure continues to sate your desires, but as you do so, I won't refrain from calling you a hypocrite.

I find it absolutely absurd that you would dare to rip on the basketball production of an Antoine Walker all last year (the three time all-star produced 14 ppg, 8.3 rpg, and 4.5 apg while busting his ass playing all five positions for our Mavs and guarding our foes best post players night after night), and now you are sputtering on about the vaunted abilities of chump fools like Juwan Howard and his young, worthless clone, and former protege Drew Gooden (He of that amazing Orlando 12 ppg and 6.5 rpg that you were just bragging about).

Is Gooden's man-on-man defense better than Walker's? Is he a better rebounder? Is he a better passer, or will he ever be? Is he a better long range shooter? Does he have better post scoring ability? And would he fit in better, and help our Mavs more than the Employee?

Go ahead and give me an unqualified "Yes" to any of my posed questions, and I'll anticipate that response by stating in advance that you are full of dog poop.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Nice shooting Tex.

I am not sure how "more upside than Josh Howard long-term" is "gushing." Gooden is 6-10, 240 and averages 12 and 6. NBA economics all but dictate that guy gets the MLE. I didn't even like Juwan Howard very much when he was here, but Juwan's problems were with the fact that he never earned his contract, not that he couldn't play.

I don't think I have ever said "Walker sucks", but I may be wrong. I hate his game, like I hate all volume shooters (I hate Iverson's offensive game too). I believe I said Walker was overpaid, which is true. I believe I said Walker was overweight, which is half-true (so am I). I believe I said Walker has a bad attitude, which is true. I believe I said Walker was a bad fit on this team, which is true. I believe I said Walker is a bad fit for Nellie, which is true.

Specific answers to specific rhetorical questions: I have a hard time putting "man-on-man defender" and Walker in the same sentence, much less say he's better than Gooden. Walker is a better rebounder. Walker is a better passer. Gooden has a better fieldgoal percentage, but by "longrange", you mean threes, which is kind of a ridiculous point to assert as for Gooden's two year career, he has shot less 1/3 the three pointers that Walker took last season. Gooden is not a bad post player. And yes, I think he'd fit in better here than Walker.

[Evilmav2]

You could do Howard/Walker for Grant Hill/Gooden.
-Dooby

Forgive me Dooby, if I mistook your feelings for Drew Gooden as being falsely "Gushing" (only you can truly know how you really feel about the man), but considering the absurd trade proposal that you included in your initial post on this thread, it was just very hard for me to see how less intense, more logical feelings might have inspired your proposal.

I for one, just don't understand why in the hell our Mavs should ever consider trading away a 28 year old, 6-9 power forward who averaged 14 ppg, 8.6 rpg, and 4.5 apg last year (along with his reputedly valuable, expiring contract), as well as our 2nd year defensive stud, rebounding demon, former consensus ACC player of the year, small forward, in exchange for a gimpy Juwan Howard clone and an aged, broken piece of Dukey...

Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't help but believe that it would be absolutely insane and nonsensical for our Mavs to throw away a 28 year old all-star with a huge expiring contract, as well as a potential 10 year starting small forward, in exchange for the kind of junk that your earlier proposed deal mandated.

That said, I do fully expect Antoine to be traded to a better place (for his contract year) than Dallas, but I can't imagine that our Mav's Braintrust would ever be stupid enough to ship him off for any combo-pack of Gooden/Hill turds..

[Dirkenstien]

Simply put, we can get a lot more for Walker and a HELL of a lot more for Walker and Jho.



EDIT: Though I am very against trading Jho away at this point.

[Jamisonite]

Ill take Gooden but i wont take hill

[jayC]

If the worst team in basketball wants to trade him, that has to tell you something. If the best evaluator of NBA talent traded Gooden for Mike Miller that tells you something. It would be one thing if Hill could return to old hill and you could get him and Gooden. Why, get a guy that doesn't fit this team at all. We don't need a PF, Gooden is the most overrated player of all time.

[mattyd]

This thread is comedy because so much is being taken out of context....

Simply put, I'd like to take a flyer on Gooden because the way I see the current Mavs front court, it sucks! And I'd be interested with adding someone with potential - someone long and athletic.

[EricaLubarsky]

I'm just glad we got Juwan Howard out of a Dallas uniform, and now I'm wondering why we want someone who backed him up.

only a couple of scenarios that I would get him in

Dallas trades: SF Eduardo Najera (3.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.4 apg in 12.4 minutes)
SF Jerry Stackhouse (13.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.0 apg in 29.8 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Kelvin Cato (6.1 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 25.3 minutes)
PF Drew Gooden (11.6 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 27.0 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +0.8 ppg, +7.0 rpg, and -2.3 apg.

Orlando trades: C Kelvin Cato (6.1 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 25.3 minutes)
PF Drew Gooden (11.6 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 27.0 minutes)
Orlando receives: SF Eduardo Najera (3.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.4 apg in 58 games)
SF Jerry Stackhouse (13.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.0 apg in 26 games)
Change in team outlook: -0.8 ppg, -7.0 rpg, and +2.3 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

or


Dallas trades: PG Tony Delk (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.4 minutes)
Dallas receives: PF Drew Gooden (11.6 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 27.0 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +5.6 ppg, +4.7 rpg, and +0.2 apg.

Orlando trades: PF Drew Gooden (11.6 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 27.0 minutes)
Orlando receives: PG Tony Delk (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 33 games)
Change in team outlook: -5.6 ppg, -4.7 rpg, and -0.2 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

[kg_veteran]

I'm not sure how this thread turned into Walker vs. Gooden, since there was no specific trade rumor discussed in the article and even the subsequent trade ideas didn't involve Walker.

That said, it's simply incorrect to call Drew Gooden the worst rebounding PF in the NBA. He's a better rebounder than Walker if you look at the career stats. In fact, he rebounds the ball better than our own beloved Dirk Nowitzki.

*Braces himself for the cries of blasphemy*

Is Walker the better player overall? Sure. Do I have concerns about a player that Jerry West didn't want and that the Magic now don't seem to want either? Sure. Does Gooden look like a guy that would fit well with Dirk Nowitzki? Not to me, because he's not a very good defender and doesn't block a lot of shots. Would I take a flyer on him if the cost was low enough? Absolutely.

[aexchange]

gooden is ok, but he's a sieve defensively.

no thanks.

[uweblab]

the mavs should do the deal if Orlando will send Gooden/Hill to us and they take TAW and any other spares they want. Basically the mavs have no need for Gooden unless the Magic take some losers off the mavs roster, aka TAW.

[Jamisonite]

We send em Fortson, Najera, TAW, and Delk and ill take hill and gooden

[Mavs1fan4life]

Thats stupid because grant hill plays 33 games every 5 yrs so its a rip

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally posted by: Jamisonite
We send em Fortson, Najera, TAW, and Delk and ill take hill and gooden

I sure hope they forget they are a rebuilding team and take on all those contracts.