Dirk questions Cuban's rebuilding plans - Page 2 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

BGMaverick9 · 01-06-2013, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by |_Jeff_|

Dirk doesn't think Dry Powder was the right way forward post-championship, and places a blame for where the Mavs are now on that decision by Cuban and Donnie. Agree or Disagree?

He's said multiple times that he would have liked to see the group stick together but he understood that it wasn't going to happen. As for the other part, he's going to question things, which is what he's doing.

Aggie E · 01-06-2013, 11:34 PM

Hate to go back and rehash the off-season after the Chip, but the guys he let go were not old. JJB, Chandler, Stevenson. Has he not heard of win curves or other theology of having a superstar and trying your best to win when you have one. he put everything on hope and dreams when he had the winning formula and a superstar who had 2-3 more years as the leader.

mavsjunkie · 01-07-2013, 12:33 AM

Sometimes winning a championship can make people cocky. Jerry Jones was so cocky after his second super bowl, he basically ran Jimmy Johnson out of town, and announced that 500 coaches could take his team to a Super Bowl. 17 years later, well.....

So Cuban has the perfect situation, he breaks it up wanting more. How about keep your parts, and if someone great wants to come here, ad him. But don't start removing guys when you have no replacement. This mess is on Cuban

j0Shi · 01-07-2013, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

History proves you wrong. Mavs won with Chandler. Can't dispute that. Call it lightning in a bottle or whatever phrase Cuban and Co. coined to quiet the masses. I call it pure stupidity just as I did when it happened.

It was a special season and one of the greatest sports moments in my life, but also quite a Cinderella story tbh. Forget the lockout year and I think even this year it's quite a reach that we would compete with the championship-core.

But I'll give you that Chandler might be better than anything we can get in this years FA (and have gotten in last years, and the year before).

j0Shi · 01-07-2013, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mavsjunkie

How about keep your parts, and if someone great wants to come here, add him

No offense, but sometimes I wonder when people finally start to realize that this wouldn't have been possible cap-wise.

Signing Chandler, JJB, Stevenson, Caron to the multi-year deals they were searching for would have essentially locked up the roster for the next years.

chumdawg · 01-07-2013, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Tim MacMahon is a douchebag joke of a team reporter?

...Oh wait, that isn't news either.

That's a pathetic characterization by you. Pathetic. First off, it's not even accurate. Second, it is unduly hostile. Third, it hints at (unsubstantiated) prior claims. Fourth, it falls into the trap of judging a writer by *one* article, when said journalist writes one article almost every day.

Save your sanctimonious bullshit for yourself. If you think you can do a better job, and care to, apply for the position. Otherwise, quit bitching.

dude1394 · 01-07-2013, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

No offense, but sometimes I wonder when people finally start to realize that this wouldn't have been possible cap-wise.

Signing Chandler, JJB, Stevenson, Caron to the multi-year deals they were searching for would have essentially locked up the roster for the next years.

I think it is called a trade.

j0Shi · 01-07-2013, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

I think it is called a trade.

And which assets in this theoretical construct would land you a great player?

markus1234 · 01-07-2013, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by roadrunner

sounds like Dirk was at least publicly on board at the direction

Wasting one single (lockout) season was OK for Dirk. But he expected a plan B for this season. Waiting and "hoping" is not a plan B. And it was time for him to make it clear.

dirt_dobber · 01-07-2013, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Gotta love McMahon mentioning the possibility of trading Dirk in the opening paragraph, and burying Dirk's very direct quote about NOT wanting to be traded in the final sentence of the entire piece. It's so typical of McMahon to take a story that can be solid on its own and try to blow it up that much more by introducing drama that isn't there.

this. exactly.

dude1394 · 01-07-2013, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

And which assets in this theoretical construct would land you a great player?

Well in that example .. Chandler, jjb, jet, Caron.

MavsFanTillDeath · 01-07-2013, 10:57 AM

i'm surprised it took him so long to speak out. dirk is just too old to go through another rebuilding process. they had everything in place for another run at the title but they decided to blow it up. letting chandler go was probably the biggest mistake in franchise history.

he was a key contributor to your championship team and you only offer him a one year deal afterwards? that it just pathetic. talk about new cba all you want, but the guy was only 29 years old when he signed with a knicks and was a unique type of player at his position with his size, quickness and explosiveness.

SMC0007 · 01-07-2013, 11:11 AM

Tyson Chandler.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-07-2013, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Tyson Chandler.

MavsFTR · 01-07-2013, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I have to spread rep before I can like this.

MavsFTR · 01-07-2013, 12:59 PM

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/b...85&city=dallas

Cuban responds.

dude1394 · 01-07-2013, 02:19 PM

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That is hilarious!

Dirk's Knee · 01-07-2013, 02:20 PM

My .02.

Waiting until this offseason would be totally foolish as the chances of landing the 2 biggest assets are basically 0. There has to be a fairly significant trade in the next week or 2 to fortify our low post defense. If we can get a solid back up (or even starting) PG as part of the deal, then you do it. Everyone expect Dirk and Mayo should be available (though Collison would also be off the table unless there was an upgrade at PG available, which is not likely right now). Timing is everything here. We're seeing Dirk's numbers improving each outing, yet he's getting increasingly frustrated. If a difference maker doesn't happen now and the Mavs see another slump, I'm betting on Dirk retiring at the end of his contract. Which would put us on a 3 to 5 year rebuild from scratch plan hoping to get lucky in a draft.

dude1394 · 01-07-2013, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsFTR

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/b...85&city=dallas

Cuban responds.

So Cuban is still the smartest guy in the room.

I cant tell if its stubbornness or narcissism really.

SMC0007 · 01-07-2013, 02:25 PM

I see Dirk's knee has weighed in with his opinion. Thanks.

I wonder how much better this team would be with a smart veteran PG like Andre Miller.

dude1394 · 01-07-2013, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

I see Dirk's knee has weighed in with his opinion. Thanks.

I wonder how much better this team would be with a smart veteran PG like Andre Miller.

Lots... I thought we saw it with fisher, lots.

jthig32 · 01-07-2013, 02:32 PM

Ahem:

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Earl K. Sneed ‏@EKS_MavsNBA
@espn_macmahon Dirk: "That's Tim MacMahon being Tim MacMahon."

LonghornDub · 01-07-2013, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Ahem:

Also:

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Dwain Price ‏@DwainPrice
#Mavs F Dirk Nowitzki said he's never asked to be traded -- as one Dallas-area reporter reported. He said he wants to stay with the Mavs.

EricaLubarsky · 01-07-2013, 02:35 PM

Can we all sit down and feel thankful yet again that we have such a class act on our roster?

nowhereman · 01-07-2013, 02:43 PM

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Ahem:

Classic.

oilfieldtrash · 01-07-2013, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Ahem:

They played the "exclusive" audio on the Ben and Skin show this morning. All the questions were straight forward. Dirk wasn't baited or his words misrepresented. Dirk sounded pissed as the story portrays him to be.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-07-2013, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

They played the "exclusive" audio on the Ben and Skin show this morning. All the questions were straight forward. Dirk wasn't baited or his words misrepresented. Dirk sounded pissed as the story portrays him to be.

Nobody questioned whether Dirk was pissed or not. It was the idea of trading Dirk that is completely off base.

jthig32 · 01-07-2013, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

They played the "exclusive" audio on the Ben and Skin show this morning. All the questions were straight forward. Dirk wasn't baited or his words misrepresented. Dirk sounded pissed as the story portrays him to be.

I listened to them. He sounded frustrated, which is understandable considering they'd just lost to the Hornets.

And McMahon did, in fact, misrepresent something. The only time Dirk ever said the word "trade" was in the context of the past. As in "Once we didn't sign Deron, I knew there'd only be two options, to trade me or to bring in a bunch of 1 year contracts.".

Unless I missed it, that's the ONLY time he ever even said the word "trade". And yet, McMahon says in the opening paragraph that Dirk was "wondering whether it'd be in the Mavs' best interests to trade him." That's not even close to what he did.

Also, he highlighted the more inflammatory parts of the interview without giving equal time to the counter balancing quotes.

For instance, he completely left this quote out of the article:

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It's kinda early to judge...to judge to see if letting Tyson and everybody go was a mistake. Until we see how next summer plays out, we didn't get to use our cap space last summer, so now we have to see what can happen or via trade or something, what we can pull out next summer. Until then I don't think we really know if letting everybody go was a mistake or not.

Now, when paired with Dirk's later quotes about planning around hope, you get the full picture of Dirk talking through the decision and bringing up points on both sides of the issue. But McMahon completely glossed over that quote, only VERY loosely paraphrasing it in the article before hammering home the point about the hope quote.

McMahon can hide behind the shield of "I didn't report Dirk requesting a trade", but he knew what he was doing when he inserted the trade Dirk idea simply because Dirk mentioned a past hypothetical situation where they might have thought about trading him.

grndmstr_c · 01-07-2013, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

I see Dirk's knee has weighed in with his opinion. Thanks.

I wonder how much better this team would be with a smart veteran PG like Andre Miller.

Seeing as how they somehow managed to be better with Derek Fisher...

LonghornDub · 01-07-2013, 03:28 PM

Thiggy just laying the wood in this thread. Posrep.

MavsFTR · 01-07-2013, 03:50 PM

Tim is back-tracking and kind of fightin with Dwain and Sneed on Twitter.

Melonhead · 01-07-2013, 03:57 PM

Cubans comments in response to what dirk said is almost a slap in the face of dirk.

jthig32 · 01-07-2013, 04:09 PM

The irony here is that Dwaine Price is, in fact, a horrible beat writer. Quite possibly the worst I've ever read. So seeing McMahon and Price go back and forth is weird. I have no idea whose side I'm on.

grndmstr_c · 01-07-2013, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

The irony here is that Dwaine Price is, in fact, a horrible beat writer. Quite possibly the worst I've ever read. So seeing McMahon and Price go back and forth is weird. I have no idea whose side I'm on.

Can I just be on BG's side?

davblue · 01-07-2013, 04:31 PM

I have to say, it is a little depressing to hear Dirk waving the white flag on this season.. as much I had already realized that as a fan.

j0Shi · 01-07-2013, 04:32 PM

Never liked Caplan, MacMahon and that JJT guy on ESPNDallas. Can't judge em on a professional basis, but all of them seemed to love themselves more than what they do. Plus too much all-around pessimism and criticism on the team.

Especially JJT should stick to football.

j0Shi · 01-07-2013, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Well in that example .. Chandler, jjb, jet, Caron.

Possible, but it's a reach. Chandler is an elite complementary guy, but it's not like you would be switching franchise-players with an interested partner. JET, JJB, Caron solid role players, nice additions, but it would at least take a third team to get you talent & picks.

LonghornDub · 01-07-2013, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

The irony here is that Dwaine Price is, in fact, a horrible beat writer. Quite possibly the worst I've ever read. So seeing McMahon and Price go back and forth is weird. I have no idea whose side I'm on.

Price lacks any semblance of insight or intelligence, but he doesn't twist things like MacMahon. It's funny to watch him squirm now.

jthig32 · 01-07-2013, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Price lacks any semblance of insight or intelligence, but he doesn't twist things like MacMahon. It's funny to watch him squirm now.

Right, they are both terrible in different ways.

nowhereman · 01-07-2013, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

Never liked Caplan, MacMahon and that JJT guy on ESPNDallas. Can't judge em on a professional basis, but all of them seemed to love themselves more than what they do. Plus too much all-around pessimism and criticism on the team.

Especially JJT should stick to football.

You give JJT too much credit for football.