Marion's offense

[KFunk]

I'll start by saying I haven't gotten to watch too many Mavs game this season being in california, so let me ask this forum ... has Marion been surprisingly bad on offense for the Mavs?

I sort of lost track of him after he left Phoenix, but I had high hopes for a similar offensive production paired with Kidd.

Every game I've seen, I've been so frustrated with his offense.

[Kante]

Awful at times, good at times. But he is not here to score!

[Dirkadirkastan]

First off, you don't have much excuse to not be watching the games: http://www.atdhe.net

Second, Marion's job as far as scoring goes is mainly just to play garbage man with putbacks and such, and throw in the occasional running throw or spinning post-up. He misses a lot of layups though and sucks at the spinning post-up.

[mavsfan1000]

Marion can't even finish. He is a pathetic offensive player these days. But Kidd isn't exactly doing much tonight either to help him out. I think Marion will need ankle surgery this offseason because he refuses to dunk.

[KFunk]

I guess I was hoping he could be more prominent in the offense, but even if he's just supposed to get garbage points.... his attempts all look awful. I cringe when he attempts to score.

[KFunk]

Ugh I mean he's bricking stuff that he used to kill us with

[KFunk]

Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

First off, you don't have much excuse to not be watching the games: http://www.atdhe.net

Neat!

[xrobx]

marion's offense is about as good as JJ's defense

[jthig32]

I'm not really surprised about his role, anyone expecting him to repeat anything resembling his Phoenix numbers wasn't really paying attention.

But I am surprised how little touch he has around the basket.

[Dirkenstien]

Yeah his offense has been just horrible but he's making up for it one the defensive end. I'd like to see him get his stuff together on O, though as it would give us a much needed dimension.

[LonghornDub]

I wish we would stop running post-ups for him. I'd prefer to see him only score on rebounds/putbacks and then the occasional pick and roll (we ran this with him early in the year--e.g., at LA the second game--and it worked very well). But overall, I guess I didn't expect that much more.

[mavsfan1000]

If only Marion learned how to shoot the ball right. That is his problem. His shots are too easy to block.

[dalger]

Originally Posted by jthig32

I'm not really surprised about his role, anyone expecting him to repeat anything resembling his Phoenix numbers wasn't really paying attention.

But I am surprised how little touch he has around the basket.

Same here. I didn't expect him to come close to the numbers he used to put up in Phoenix as he wasn't and isn't expected to do that with guys like Dirk, Jet and now Butler and Haywood around him. However, tonight was one of those games where Marion was just absolutely horrible on offense and missed even easy baskets, so I tend to be frustrated with him every now and then.

His defense is still awesome though.

[JCmasta]

Originally Posted by KFunk

I'll start by saying I haven't gotten to watch too many Mavs game this season being in california, so let me ask this forum ... has Marion been surprisingly bad on offense for the Mavs?

I sort of lost track of him after he left Phoenix, but I had high hopes for a similar offensive production paired with Kidd.

Every game I've seen, I've been so frustrated with his offense.

Seems like the only thing he can do is put backs and anything easy, he doesn't look for anything, he doesn't shoot from 3 like i saw him do in phx or anything. He's good for defense and length but if we can move him for a guy like JJ(Joe Johnson) and move Caron to 3 that would be good.

[mavsfan1000]

Well right now, I like Terry over Marion. Great game by Terry. It all works when Dallas a big center like Haywood in there along with scorers.

[bobbyfg7]

Originally Posted by xrobx

marion's offense is about as good as JJ's defense

ooooo, burn!!

His offense could be "there" again I think. He still looks out of place at times. Plus, he and Kidd aren't the young whipper-snappers they once were so they won't be running down court at full speed which was 80% of Marion's game in Phoenix.

But like others said, it's his defense that has really helped. Such as tonight, the Magic are a decent 3-point team but only shot 4-25. Butler, Kidd, and dare I say Terry had a big part in this too of course.

All in all, the perimeter D is much improved. And Marion has played a big part in that.

[fluid.forty.one]

His impact on our team defense (as well as his individual lock-down defense) is undeniable. Totally worth it.

[KFunk]

what the hell are these tags about, at the bottom?

[dude1394]

An appropriate handle for starting.. He's been going through repeated funks. He was really good for a while and then last night was really tough, missing 3 straight bunnies in there. Yuck..

[mac222b]

i don't mind giving it to Marion on an ISO a couple times a game. everybody likes to touch the ball on offense, keeps guys playing hard.

[EricaLubarsky]

Marion is perfect for this team. I'd rather have Marion put up 2pts, 7reb, 1blk and innumerable deflections while playing defense than Jamison coming in and providing lots of O, but no defense whatsoever.

Plus (and this isn't a contrast with Jamison) Marion does 99% of his work without the ball. With Dirk, Kidd, Butler, Terry and others out there we don't need a guy that needs the ball. Having a guy that can be productive without the ball is more important than having another guy that can produce but needs the ball to do so.

As for the missed layups-- I think they will start to fall. I'd rather him flip up a shot from 4-6 feet on a broken play than have 70% of the players on the team take a midrange jumper. Even if his FG% is low so far, I'd take his 5 foot attempt over many players' jumper any day of the week.

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

I wish we would stop running post-ups for him. I'd prefer to see him only score on rebounds/putbacks and then the occasional pick and roll (we ran this with him early in the year--e.g., at LA the second game--and it worked very well). But overall, I guess I didn't expect that much more.

This. Marion has NO post-up moves. He tries a semi-autistic Jamison floating ten foot hook...except it lacks the touch Jamison has. If we want him involved more, run some opps from Kidd, or some cuts to the basket when Dirk posts up. I see it occasionally, but there is no reason to not have Marion run a dive cut more when Dirk is posting. He always hits guys on those cuts but we rarely run them.

[mavsfan1000]

Much better offense from Marion tonight.

[xrobx]

yep. he was a very efficient 5-6, was actually trying to go up strong and dunk it on fast breaks, and didn't put up any ugly shots. can't ask for much more

[dude1394]

I like marion out there also but I do feel he just tosses up crap sometimes. Maybe that's his version of a good shot, but damn it looks like he's just flipping it up sometimes without even looking at the basket.

He also has not been going aggressively at it like I think he should. A few more ft's would help a lot.

[dmakk]

I was just thinking before this game that he needs to use the glass more when taking shots. Last night was the first time I saw it, and he made both of those shots. I wasn't expecting huge offensive numbers from him, but he takes so many high percentage shots close to the rim that his fg% should be sky high.

[pkdumas]

If he could just hit those bunnies.

[ReDirkulous Tyme]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

I wish we would stop running post-ups for him. I'd prefer to see him only score on rebounds/putbacks and then the occasional pick and roll (we ran this with him early in the year--e.g., at LA the second game--and it worked very well). But overall, I guess I didn't expect that much more.

This ^^

Offensively, Marion should be primarily used for dive cuts, back doors and overall garbage buckets. I wouldn't mind him setting up for an occasional corner 3, or wide open jumper just to keep him involved and happy. However, the post-ups MUST stop at some point. He really has pretty much NO touch around the basket. Posting up isn't his game.

And to mavsfan1000:

Marion never gets his shot blocked...or at least almost never. This one of the conundrums in the game of basketball today. How he gets his nasty, ugly, absolutely horrendous shot off without getting it blocked by someone the size of Nate Robinson every time is beyond me....absolutely puzzling.

But alas, he never gets blocked. And he will never change his shot, so i wouldn't even promote that notion...man is far too old to completely revamp his shot.

[mavsfan1000]

Originally Posted by mavsfanforlife09

This ^^

Offensively, Marion should be primarily used for dive cuts, back doors and overall garbage buckets. I wouldn't mind him setting up for an occasional corner 3, or wide open jumper just to keep him involved and happy. However, the post-ups MUST stop at some point. He really has pretty much NO touch around the basket. Posting up isn't his game.

And to mavsfan1000:

Marion never gets his shot blocked...or at least almost never. This one of the conundrums in the game of basketball today. How he gets his nasty, ugly, absolutely horrendous shot off without getting it blocked by someone the size of Nate Robinson every time is beyond me....absolutely puzzling.

But alas, he never gets blocked. And he will never change his shot, so i wouldn't even promote that notion...man is far too old to completely revamp his shot.

He rarely shoots a perimeter shot and he shoots it too quick. But I agree. It's too late for him to fix it.

[G-Man]

So this is a thread complaining about the offense of the best defender we're had here in years.

Here are some offensive numbers to ponder Kobe 20, Durant 12, Lebron takes 23 shots to get 25 points.

Yeah, Marion has the ugliest shot I've ever seen, and he misses more bunnies than Elmer Fudd. The fact that he can take the other teams best player and rarely need double team help is worth more than a few more points.

Biggest surprise? while he only averages 11.5 pts a game, he's shooting 49.9%. I think I can live with that

[G-Man]

So this is a thread complaining about the offense of the best defender we're had here in years.

Here are some offensive numbers to ponder Kobe 20, Durant 12, Lebron takes 23 shots to get 25 points.

Yeah, Marion has the ugliest shot I've ever seen, and he misses more bunnies than Elmer Fudd. The fact that he can take the other teams best player and rarely need double team help is worth more than a few more points.

Biggest surprise? while he only averages 11.5 pts a game, he's shooting 49.9%. I think I can live with that

[tcat075]

Originally Posted by G-Man

So this is a thread complaining about the offense of the best defender we're had here in years.

Here are some offensive numbers to ponder Kobe 20, Durant 12, Lebron takes 23 shots to get 25 points.

Yeah, Marion has the ugliest shot I've ever seen, and he misses more bunnies than Elmer Fudd. The fact that he can take the other teams best player and rarely need double team help is worth more than a few more points.

Biggest surprise? while he only averages 11.5 pts a game, he's shooting 49.9%. I think I can live with that

Well, what people have been complaining about is that while he's averaging 12 and shooting 50% on the season, over the past dozen games or so he's shooting and scoring much worse than that.

Hopefully, a better performance last night will spur him into playing a little better offensively.

[ReDirkulous Tyme]

Originally Posted by G-Man

So this is a thread complaining about the offense of the best defender we're had here in years.

Here are some offensive numbers to ponder Kobe 20, Durant 12, Lebron takes 23 shots to get 25 points.

Yeah, Marion has the ugliest shot I've ever seen, and he misses more bunnies than Elmer Fudd. The fact that he can take the other teams best player and rarely need double team help is worth more than a few more points.

Biggest surprise? while he only averages 11.5 pts a game, he's shooting 49.9%. I think I can live with that

I concur, fine sir. I don't think we're really missing much in not getting offense from Marion. I would be upset if he were taking any more than 7-8 shots a game, MAX.

His job is to provide lock down defense, anything beyond that is a blessing, or a curse if you have to actually watch him shoot the ball haha

[G-Man]

Originally Posted by mavsfanforlife09

I concur, fine sir. I don't think we're really missing much in not getting offense from Marion. I would be upset if he were taking any more than 7-8 shots a game, MAX.

His job is to provide lock down defense, anything beyond that is a blessing, or a curse if you have to actually watch him shoot the ball haha

Compare Marion (11.5 pts at 49.9% for $6.6 million)to the 12 points a night the Spurs are getting from Jefferson for 14 million a year, or the 40% shooting 16.5 points Orlando is getting out of Vince Carter for 16 million, or the 12.3 points Turkoglu is giving Toronto, and clearly Marion is the most productive for the least money of any of the big $ 3's that switched teams this summer.

Maybe we could hire Juann Howard to teach Marion how to make his shot less ugly. Otherwise, this is a brilliant addition by the MBT.

[ReDirkulous Tyme]

Originally Posted by G-Man

Compare Marion (11.5 pts at 49.9% for $6.6 million)to the 12 points a night the Spurs are getting from Jefferson for 14 million a year, or the 40% shooting 16.5 points Orlando is getting out of Vince Carter for 16 million, or the 12.3 points Turkoglu is giving Toronto, and clearly Marion is the most productive for the least money of any of the big $ 3's that switched teams this summer.

Maybe we could hire Juann Howard to teach Marion how to make his shot less ugly. Otherwise, this is a brilliant addition by the MBT.

I think you're missing my point. I am in complete agreement with you. I'm not bashing Marion's offensive production....so I'm not sure if that comment was directed toward me or not, haha.

[Kidd Karma]

I would think he would have scored a bit more, up to 14 a night. I mean he was penciled in as the starting 3 along side Kidd, he would be seeing more than 10 shots a night. Great option as a defender though.