Which big man should the Mavs pursue in the offseason? - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Max Power · 11-06-2003, 03:30 PM

I know its early but I want to talk about something different for awhile.

There are some big men who could really help the Mavs in the offseason and all of them will be available for the MLE or less.

Vlade Divac. I think he's got another couple of years in the tank if his minutes are managed properly.

Dale Davis. I like the attitude and the toughness. He's getting up there in years too but he is a good solid player.

ocelot_ark · 11-06-2003, 03:43 PM

Divac, no.
Davis, yes.

IMO...

Chiwas · 11-06-2003, 03:46 PM

Shaquille. We won't be happy, we won't be able to defeat the Lakers in a 7 games series if they continue having him and we don't. Only injuries would change this fate or in other miracle, Duncan (if he kick them out again for us).

If not Shaquille, the second best Center of the league, just for being the second best team of the league, with a little more odds to beat the Lakers -plus a lot of luck. Who is him?

Possibly Duncan or

Ben Wallace
Jermain O'Neal
Brad Miller

Maybe Divac or Davis could improve some the 5 spot, but not enough, I think.

If it's a matter of money and Dallas doesn't want to expend more, we don't have many choices, and still will be behind Shaq and his new nuclear bomb.

Max Power · 11-06-2003, 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by: Chiwas
Shaquille. We won't be happy, we won't be able to defeat the Lakers in a 7 games series if they continue having him and we don't. Only injuries would change this fate or in other miracle, Duncan (if he kick them out again for us).

If not Shaquille, the second best Center of the league, just for being the second best team of the league, with a little more odds to beat the Lakers -plus a lot of luck. Who is him?

Possibly Duncan or

Ben Wallace
Jermain O'Neal
Brad Miller

Maybe Divac or Davis could improve some the 5 spot, but not enough, I think.

If it's a matter of money and Dallas doesn't want to expend more, we don't have many choices, and still will be behind Shaq and his new nuclear bomb.

Lets stay realistic. We aren't going to get any of the players you mention. That was the point of this thread - free agent big men that the Mavs have a shot of getting.

Murphy3 · 11-06-2003, 03:52 PM

Seriously, this is a good thread to start. Perhaps you'd just like to discuss possible off season acquisitions or the thread could be expanded to include centers that could be acquired at some point during the season via trade.

madape · 11-06-2003, 03:56 PM

You are right, it is too early to talk about this. But there are some interesting vets coming off contracts next year. I'd prefer not to give up any important pieces in trade.

Here's a list of guys I think might deserve some interest:

Dale Davis
Rasheed Wallace
Adonal Foyle
Greg Ostertag
Chris Mihm
Stromile Swift
Jake Tsakalitis
Joel Przybilla
Antonio McDyess
Robert Traylor
Ruben Boumtje Boumtje
Keon Clark
Etan Thomas

kg_veteran · 11-06-2003, 04:00 PM

Either Divac or Davis would be excellent additions.

I also like the idea of bringing in Sabonis for the playoff run.

As for centers that could be acquired via trade this season, I'd love to make a run at Zydrunas Ilgauskas or Theo Ratliff. I think both could be reasonably acquired.

kg_veteran · 11-06-2003, 04:02 PM

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Originally posted by: madape
You are right, it is too early to talk about this. But there are some interesting vets coming off contracts next year. I'd prefer not to give up any important pieces in trade.

Here's a list of guys I think might deserve some interest:

Dale Davis
Rasheed Wallace
Adonal Foyle
Greg Ostertag
Chris Mihm
Stromile Swift
Jake Tsakalitis
Joel Przybilla
Antonio McDyess
Robert Traylor
Ruben Boumtje Boumtje
Keon Clark
Etan Thomas

Davis, Foyle, Ostertag, and Swift interest me on this list.

Murphy3 · 11-06-2003, 04:04 PM

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Chris Mihm

I watched Mihm play some last night. I can't figure out why he hasn't played better in the past, but he's looked good in VERY limited action this year. No, I don't expect him to ever be anything close to a cornerstone of a franchise. But, the guy hasn't looked too bad defensively. Plus, he's got a decent jumper offensively. I can imagine that he'd come pretty cheap. But, how much is he worth?

LRB · 11-06-2003, 04:05 PM

Simon2 · 11-06-2003, 04:08 PM

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Originally posted by: Max Power
I know its early but I want to talk about something different for awhile.

There are some big men who could really help the Mavs in the offseason and all of them will be available for the MLE or less.

Vlade Divac. I think he's got another couple of years in the tank if his minutes are managed properly.

Dale Davis. I like the attitude and the toughness. He's getting up there in years too but he is a good solid player.

Currently, Divac earns 12 mil and is on the last year of his contract. I doubt he leaves the Kings coz he has his little buddy named Peja over there and he's already very comfortable in his position. If Cuban can something out that is not financially damaging, that would be incredible.

Dale Davis currently earns 9 mil and is also on the last year of his contract. He'll need to take a pay cut to join the Mavs. 6'11 252 lbs. I'll take him

Jamisonite · 11-06-2003, 04:26 PM

Id like to see us make a move on Mihm or clark. They wont ask for as much money. And we are still lacking a true perimeter defender

Max Power · 11-06-2003, 04:36 PM

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Originally posted by: Simon2
Currently, Divac earns 12 mil and is on the last year of his contract. I doubt he leaves the Kings coz he has his little buddy named Peja over there and he's already very comfortable in his position. If Cuban can something out that is not financially damaging, that would be incredible.

Dale Davis currently earns 9 mil and is also on the last year of his contract. He'll need to take a pay cut to join the Mavs. 6'11 252 lbs. I'll take him

I doubt that the Kings resign Divac because of his age and the money that they spent on his replacement. Divac >might< retire but I doubt it.

I like Davis a lot. He would be a perfect compliment to Bradley. A Fortson type with actual skill.

Max Power · 11-06-2003, 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by: madape
You are right, it is too early to talk about this.

But its more fun than bashing the Mavs because they haven't jelled yet.

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But there are some interesting vets coming off contracts next year. I'd prefer not to give up any important pieces in trade.

I agree. The difference between one of these free agents and someone that we would have to try to trade for is minimal.

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Here's a list of guys I think might deserve some interest:

Dale Davis
Rasheed Wallace
Adonal Foyle
Greg Ostertag
Chris Mihm
Stromile Swift
Jake Tsakalitis
Joel Przybilla
Antonio McDyess
Robert Traylor
Ruben Boumtje Boumtje
Keon Clark
Etan Thomas

Foyle and Tag also interest me.

Murphy3 · 11-06-2003, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by: Jamisonite
Id like to see us make a move on Mihm or clark. They wont ask for as much money. And we are still lacking a true perimeter defender

I brought up Mihm more or less wanting some feedback from other members on what they've seen from the guy. Personally, I don't know how much he helps the Mavs. He just might be a poor man's Raef LaFrentz. But, I haven't completely given up hope on him.

seelenjaeger · 11-06-2003, 04:45 PM

Dampier. Chandler. Curry.

And before you start the "Chandler is not a Center" chant - he´s more of a Center than Dirk.

Psychedelic Fuzz · 11-06-2003, 04:54 PM

I think Divac's guile and his decent passing skill would make him a good fit here, and I'd like to see keon clark in a mavs uniform simply because its no longer us he's screwing on last secod put backs.

LRB · 11-06-2003, 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by: madape
You are right, it is too early to talk about this. But there are some interesting vets coming off contracts next year. I'd prefer not to give up any important pieces in trade.

Here's a list of guys I think might deserve some interest:

Dale Davis
Rasheed Wallace
Adonal Foyle
Greg Ostertag
Chris Mihm
Stromile Swift
Jake Tsakalitis
Joel Przybilla
Antonio McDyess
Robert Traylor
Ruben Boumtje Boumtje
Keon Clark
Etan Thomas

Ape I do think that by bringing this up so early that we can have a chance to check out these players performances against Shaq and Duncan and other premier post players. While there a quite a few posters who do watch many of these players going against the Lakers, Spurs, and such; there are many who might only see them perform against the Mavs. Their peformance against us might not be the best measure of what needs of ours if any they would fulfill. We need guys who would be successful in improving our performance against Shaq, Duncan, etc. not who do well against the Mavs.

Of the list I especially like Foyle. Nobody else jumps out at me though. I do think that we should try not to get another vertically challenged center like the potato no matter how strong he is. We should also look for someone with some mass. Above all we don't want another passive center on D and rebounding. I think that Foyle has good size and height and he appears to play very agressive defending and rebounding.

FineCubanCigar · 11-06-2003, 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by: madape
You are right, it is too early to talk about this. But there are some interesting vets coming off contracts next year. I'd prefer not to give up any important pieces in trade.

Here's a list of guys I think might deserve some interest:

Dale Davis
Rasheed Wallace
Adonal Foyle
Greg Ostertag
Chris Mihm
Stromile Swift
Jake Tsakalitis
Joel Przybilla
Antonio McDyess
Robert Traylor
Ruben Boumtje Boumtje
Keon Clark
Etan Thomas

I think Jake Tsakalitis would directly benifit the Mavs more than any other player on that list

FineCubanCigar · 11-06-2003, 04:58 PM

that Ruben guy intrigued me the one time i have seen him play, enormious, stout, and a true banger . . .

nowitzki_prophecy · 11-06-2003, 05:00 PM

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And before you start the "Chandler is not a Center" chant - he´s more of a Center than Dirk.

Since when thats a good enough reason to bring him over?He's young,too young,we dont need talent right now,we need proven post defenders.

Now Dampier,thats a player i would love seeing in a mavs unis.

jayC · 11-06-2003, 05:08 PM

Davis-maybe
Swift- intriguing but probably will get more then the mle.
Robert Traylor- would certainly give us a physical presence in the paint.
Divac- Still is a crafty old big man, who can post you up and pass with pinpoint precision.

FineCubanCigar · 11-06-2003, 05:15 PM

Jake is the most physical guy on that list by far.

seelenjaeger · 11-06-2003, 05:19 PM

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Originally posted by: nowitzki_prophecy

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And before you start the "Chandler is not a Center" chant - he´s more of a Center than Dirk.

Since when thats a good enough reason to bring him over?He's young,too young,we dont need talent right now,we need proven post defenders.

Now Dampier,thats a player i would love seeing in a mavs unis.

k, I take 15.5 rebounds a game and 2.25 blocks along with close to .500 career-shooting and great inside instincts as argument.

And actually it´s the ONLY argument counting for me, since neither Jake nor any Ruben might give us much Dirk cannot give us already, yet Chandler is already a better player than those.

nowitzki_prophecy · 11-06-2003, 05:32 PM

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k, I take 15.5 rebounds a game and 2.25 blocks along with close to .500 career-shooting and great inside instincts as argument.

well,so far Rashard Lewis has 37.5 PPG,you wanna call him an MVP?

seelenjaeger · 11-06-2003, 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by: nowitzki_prophecy

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k, I take 15.5 rebounds a game and 2.25 blocks along with close to .500 career-shooting and great inside instincts as argument.

well,so far Rashard Lewis has 37.5 PPG,you wanna call him an MVP?

This question might settle any further discussion with you.

Over his Carreer, Chandler grabs a rebound every 3.66 minutes (Dirk gets one every 4.35).

Only counting the last season and the current, he´s at 3.42 minutes for a board.

This year it´s 2.34, but that will drop a bit.

And yeah, if you call a MVP for the first week, Rashard Lewis has to be strongly recognized.

Evilmav2 · 11-06-2003, 06:49 PM

I say next Summer would be a great time to bring hometown hero Tag back to Big D...

dirk2003 · 11-06-2003, 07:20 PM

It will be the same crap as last summer. Talk talk talk talk and then a little bit more talk and no one will come to dallas above 6'8.

Max Power · 11-06-2003, 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by: dirk2003
It will be the same crap as last summer. Talk talk talk talk and then a little bit more talk and no one will come to dallas above 6'8.

I don't think so. I think Cuban will have a checklist and he'll go down the list until we find a center. There are 4 or 5 guys who can help us and one of them will take our money. The key is to strike quickly and don't limit your talks to one player.

Cybertx · 11-06-2003, 10:00 PM

I like a lot Detroit to trade they have pretty decents big guys. Improbable yes but they have a lot of players.

The Crippler · 11-06-2003, 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by: Max Power

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Originally posted by: dirk2003
It will be the same crap as last summer. Talk talk talk talk and then a little bit more talk and no one will come to dallas above 6'8.

I don't think so. I think Cuban will have a checklist and he'll go down the list until we find a center. There are 4 or 5 guys who can help us and one of them will take our money. The key is to strike quickly and don't limit your talks to one player.

history says otherwise

Max Power · 11-06-2003, 10:22 PM

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Originally posted by: The Crippler

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Originally posted by: Max Power

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Originally posted by: dirk2003
It will be the same crap as last summer. Talk talk talk talk and then a little bit more talk and no one will come to dallas above 6'8.

I don't think so. I think Cuban will have a checklist and he'll go down the list until we find a center. There are 4 or 5 guys who can help us and one of them will take our money. The key is to strike quickly and don't limit your talks to one player.

history says otherwise

Cuban's a smart man - he won't continue to make the same mistake.

jayC · 11-06-2003, 10:46 PM

I fail to see his mistake. He tried the ZO thing it didn't work out. So then they traded nick and Raef for Jamison and Walker. It takes a while to find the formula for success. We were 5-0 last year yet no one gave us the title. Its all about how we finish the end of the season. Its not over until I say it is. This my friends is just an extended training camp.

Cybertx · 11-06-2003, 11:09 PM

Yes but the only way mavs is gonna win games and the league is outscoring everybody else, but you can see that finley it's not in his level anymore and they still can't stop any team with big players and i doubt they ever will.

Too soon yet ok, but you kind of see the spurs and lakers already gettin a little more cohesive in their play.

nowitzki_prophecy · 11-07-2003, 12:38 AM

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And yeah, if you call a MVP for the first week, Rashard Lewis has to be strongly recognized.

We need a player for more than the first week.

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Only counting the last season and the current, he´s at 3.42 minutes for a board.

His rebounding abileties were never an issue,his post defense was,he isn't that good at the post right now and we can't spare the time to wait.

NYCdog · 11-07-2003, 02:02 AM

Okay.............I cant believe no one has mentioned this.

The answer to the question is.................Theo Ratliff....... or Shareef Abdul Rahim......... or Nasi Mohammed (Sp?)......... or maybe all three together!

Why?

Cause they will porbably come at the CHEEPEST PRICE being that Atlanta wants to clear cap room for next season to start the rebuilding process down there.

So as if Dallas hasnt "raped" enought teams of their talent already...........they could add Atlanta to there "teams to rape" list.

That is if someone doesnt beat them to the punchline like per say...........the Rockets or Knicks as has been rumored.

dirno2000 · 11-07-2003, 02:02 AM

Theo Ratliff. His game is pretty much defense. I have no problem with that.

I also like Dale Davis and would settle for Tag, Foyle or Thomas.

Murph, Chris Mihm once suckered me into believing he'd be a good NBA center. He'll never do that again.

Murphy3 · 11-11-2003, 09:30 AM

On to the Chris Mihm watch:
He's not getting alot of minutes but he's producing with the minutes that he's receiving.

Last night:

17 minutes
19 points
6-13 FG
7-7 FT
4 Rebs.

On the season:
10.8 mpg
50% FG%
6.3 Pts
76.9 FT%
4.2 Rebs.

That's not that I'm interested necessarily in Mihm, but if Cleveland gets more production out of him and Diop, Z could be available. Of course, I'm not 100% sure about him either (but definitely a possibility if things don't work out as nellie has planned in Dallas).

Dirk Nowitzki · 11-11-2003, 09:56 AM

I would rather have Mihm or Diop than Big Z. I am not at all impressed with Big Z's post defense. He can damn sure score in the post, but with Jamison & the ever improving Dirk, I do not view that as a "need" for this team. I really wish the Mavs could have found a way to bring Damp in on the GS trade, I think he has just enoygh offensive skill for Nellie to keep him on the floor & would be one of the better post defenders available.

Dirk Nowitzki · 11-11-2003, 10:00 AM

The problem with getting Tag, Theo or Dale Davis is if any of these teams are truly looking to cut payroll next year, they will keep them. All of them are free agents next year & the only guys the Mavs have that are in the final years of thier contracts are Daniels & Best meaning a trade for any of those three would require those teams to take on money.