Caron Butler´s injury Thread

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

They're all the same ones who have been tossed around here for awhile (Iggy, Melo, etc.). I see substantial problems with many of them. At least one is actually quite appealing (Kevin Martin), but we're just not going to get him for Caron and Haywood, or whatever. The Rockets are steadily improving and we'd have to go a lot deeper into our talent pool to make that happen.



It wasn't condescending, it was just doubtful. Call me a pessimist, but I just don't see what the Mavs can do in the current market with an injured Butler as their trade chip. That doesn't mean I'm definitely right, but that was kinda the point: I was hoping that you had some idea I'd missed.

As for Jackson, my whole thing is he doesn't fit the criteria you listed, because he's not a guy who's going to take it to the hoop and get to the line much (which in your own words was the first thing you said, right?). I think he fits some other important criteria very, very well, but he's not any better of a penetrator than Caron.

I'm not necessarily saying it'd be a horrible thing to have him on the squad, but if we're really focused on what you said we needed (which again, I think is probably exactly what we need), I really don't think he's the answer.

Now that Caron is injured I think Jackson and a few of the other mentioned guys are more appealing. I don't think he is the answer in a scenario where were moving a player that is healthy, known to be a good guy and swell in the locker room, doesn't fight in the stands, you know what you are gonna get on the floor even if it's not a perfect fit etc. But in a scenario where Caron is out and may not be back in time or be back at the level he was at all (which we still don't know yet?) Jackson looks really intriguing.

His specialty may not be drive to the hole like a Maggette but I think he can, even if it's only slightly better than Butler. I think he finishes in the paint and at the rim a little better too. He's a better passer as well. He also has an edge about him similar to T.C., the guy has heart and fire. The downside is will he come here and fit in? Not rock the boat and spill crazy all over the place. Chemistry is a big deal here on and off the court. Could he stay within the offense and not jack up shots etc... He might be the most risky of them all, but it could have the biggest reward.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Now that Caron is injured I think Jackson and a few of the other mentioned guys are more appealing. I don't think he is the answer in a scenario where were moving a player that is healthy, known to be a good guy and swell in the locker room, doesn't fight in the stands, you know what you are gonna get on the floor even if it's not a perfect fit etc. But in a scenario where Caron is out and may not be back in time or be back at the level he was at all (which we still don't know yet?) Jackson looks really intriguing.

If Caron is out for the year, we obviously have to do something. Whether it's Jackson or whatever. Earlier, I was speaking in the context of what we do if Butler is out for awhile, but not the whole season.

Originally Posted by SMC0007

His specialty may not be drive to the hole like a Maggette but I think he can, even if it's only slightly better than Butler. I think he finishes in the paint and at the rim a little better too. He's a better passer as well. He also has an edge about him similar to T.C., the guy has heart and fire.

He definitely finishes better, but I don't think he's any better of a penetrator. He gets more FTA's right now because he handles the ball a lot more, which you also see in his TO numbers. We all get pretty frustrated with Butler's random turnovers, and he averages about 1.5 a game. S-Jax averages an astounding 3.5 turnovers per game. That's absolutely awful. You'd have to assume that number comes down if he comes here and is handling the ball less, but you know if you watch him play that the dude is downright careless with the ball at times. That's not going to change.

Chemistry...I have no idea, honestly. That's a dicey proposition. He could really screw up the locker room vibe. On the other hand, he is scary, and I mean that in a good way. I know these guys are all NBA players, but facing off against a guy like that absolutely gets in your head.

Bottom line, I'd do it if Butler is out for the year, simply because we don't have enough years left on this train to not maximize each one. But I'd be very, very hesistant if there's a chance we can have Butler back and ready for the postseason.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

If Caron is out for the year, we obviously have to do something. Whether it's Jackson or whatever. Earlier, I was speaking in the context of what we do if Butler is out for awhile, but not the whole season.



He definitely finishes better, but I don't think he's any better of a penetrator. He gets more FTA's right now because he handles the ball a lot more, which you also see in his TO numbers. We all get pretty frustrated with Butler's random turnovers, and he averages about 1.5 a game. S-Jax averages an astounding 3.5 turnovers per game. That's absolutely awful. You'd have to assume that number comes down if he comes here and is handling the ball less, but you know if you watch him play that the dude is downright careless with the ball at times. That's not going to change.

Chemistry...I have no idea, honestly. That's a dicey proposition. He could really screw up the locker room vibe. On the other hand, he is scary, and I mean that in a good way. I know these guys are all NBA players, but facing off against a guy like that absolutely gets in your head.

Bottom line, I'd do it if Butler is out for the year, simply because we don't have enough years left on this train to not maximize each one. But I'd be very, very hesistant if there's a chance we can have Butler back and ready for the postseason.

Yep. I think we're in a position where it has to almost be guaranteed that he'll be ok and back for the playoffs. If word comes back that the injury is one where it's questionable that he comes back before the playoffs or maybe he could play but it depends on how he heals it leaves mbt in a very difficult position. The trade deadline will come and go before you know it and there won't be any going back once it's past. No do-overs if he isn't ready to roll at the end of the reg season.

I like Butler, I mean he seems like a good guy and I hate to up and move a guy like that who is willing to do almost anything for your team that just had some horrible luck but this is about Dirk to me. If Dirk is fully healthy and good to go surely you have to make a move to keep things going. Imo, not for Melo for half a season but make a move for a few more years of Dirk ideally.