Luol Deng?

[sike]

Originally Posted by spreedom

Confidence is a great thing, I agree, but I think getting a quality center is a much bigger priority this offseason.

Like?

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by sike

Like?

Samuel Dalembert will be on the market... And Chris Kaman!

[sike]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Samuel Dalembert will be on the market... And Chris Kaman!

NOW YOU'RE TALKING!

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by sike

Like?

Monroe
Okafor
Gortat
Bosh
Pau
[insert trade target here]


I'd rather target those guys and get one of them locked up in a multi-year deal before going after another swingman. I think the so-called "three and D" guys are going to be relatively easy to get this summer... I'd rather get two of them at $3-5M each than spending three times that much on only Deng (which would still leave us without a center).

[sike]

Monroe, Bosh,Pau,Okafor would not help where we need help. Defensive Centerpiece.

If we go after Monroe, then I see it as primarily a "after Dirk" move. That doesn't mean I'm against it, but I'm not sure it really gets us all that much closer to maximizing Dirk's final two seasons of great/good play.

Originally Posted by spreedom

Monroe
Okafor
Gortat
Bosh
Pau
[insert trade target here]


I'd rather target those guys and get one of them locked up in a multi-year deal before going after another swingman. I think the so-called "three and D" guys are going to be relatively easy to get this summer... I'd rather get two of them at $3-5M each than spending three times that much on only Deng (which would still leave us without a center).

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by sike

Monroe, Bosh,Pau,Okafor would not help where we need help. Defensive Centerpiece.

If we go after Monroe, then I see it as primarily a "after Dirk" move. That doesn't mean I'm against it, but I'm not sure it really gets us all that much closer to maximizing Dirk's final two seasons of great/good play.

Okafor is unquestionably one of the top 5 defensive centers in the league.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by spreedom

Confidence is a great thing, I agree, but I think getting a quality center is a much bigger priority this offseason. I'd like Deng, but I think he's going to be asking upwards of $15M per, and I just think that's too much when you can get quality role players at 1/3 that salary.

I agree that center is top priority and much scarer commodity to come by. I could see Deng turning down a slightly bigger offer from a non playoff type team to sign with a team like Dallas. Also any team that gives Deng more than 12-13 per is foolish. If Chandler was deemed unworthy of that kind of contract by MBT why would deng fit the profile any better? Different circumstances thisntimemaround I guess. More financial flexibility and lingering sense of desperation. Deng is really really good but who wouldn't rather have contract whore Ariza at half the price?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Gortat is a free agent. Definitely have to consider him.

I like Deng, but if rumors of him wanting 14+ mil a year are true...Meh.

[grndmstr_c]

Q: Do players always get paid what they want to get paid?

A: See Monta Ellis.

[Skywalker]

in for okafor as well

[Underdog]

Okafor thread

[sike]

is that Grizzly Adams??

[Burn this City]

Some team is going to pay Deng whatever he wants, but I doubt it'll be the Mavs (and I have a hard time believing he's interested in coming to Dallas). After this season, it should be clear that the Mavs need some interior defensive help - I just don't know where it'll come from. Maybe some deal involving one of the PG's (not Calderon, probably Harris or Larkin) or a sign & trade with VC or Matrix.

I'd say the biggest offseason target will probably be Gortat.

[JeffViggiano]

Originally Posted by Burn this City

Some team is going to pay Deng whatever he wants, but I doubt it'll be the Mavs (and I have a hard time believing he's interested in coming to Dallas). After this season, it should be clear that the Mavs need some interior defensive help - I just don't know where it'll come from. Maybe some deal involving one of the PG's (not Calderon, probably Harris or Larkin) or a sign & trade with VC or Matrix.

I'd say the biggest offseason target will probably be Gortat.

reading this forum it seems like every big FA wants to come to dallas...but i've never seen anyone sign with us.


And i doubt that calderon,harris and larkin will be pieces for some big trade...maybe the rookie could be send for a veteran.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by JeffViggiano

reading this forum it seems like every big FA wants to come to dallas...but i've never seen anyone sign with us.

Monta Ellis?

[JeffViggiano]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Monta Ellis?

yes,i like Monta(of course at this price) but he is a second/third star of a tem,every year we target players like CP3,howard,melo,lebron ecc ecc and dirk's getting older...

Originally Posted by Burn this City

It wouldn't be for a big trade - the only asset the Mavs have that could be part of a "big trade" is Dirk. Trading for a quality big is almost impossible anyway.

The Mavs would try to move Harris or Larkin to possibly get a draft pick or in a trade similar to the Celtics/Heat/Warriors trade yesterday.

I'm pretty confident the Mavs won't be making any big trades anytime soon.

i think that we need to separate calderon and ellis(because they have starter's salary and they don't play together) and the only way is a trade,right now.

the cavs take Deng for bynum(= marion's contract) and picks(probabily only seconds rounds)...

[Burn this City]

Originally Posted by JeffViggiano

i think that we need to separate calderon and ellis(because they have starter's salary and they don't play together) and the only way is a trade,right now.

the cavs take Deng for bynum(= marion's contract) and picks(probabily only seconds rounds)...

I think Ellis is fine at the SG spot, but you really need a solid defender at PG, especially in the west where it seems like every other team has an all-star caliber PG. I think if Harris comes back and plays well (especially on D), he may even supplant Calderon as starter - and I think that could be a HUGE difference.

I would be hesitant to trade Calderon or Ellis just because the offense is so efficient (6th in the league right now). The Mavs could probably gain a few additional wins without making any lineup changes if they just played at a faster pace.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by JeffViggiano

yes,i like Monta(of course at this price) but he is a second/third star of a tem,every year we target players like CP3,howard,melo,lebron ecc ecc and dirk's getting older...

Well, Deng is a lot closer to Ellis in talent/pay than he is LeBron, Paul or Howard... So why can't we get him?

[Burn this City]

Originally Posted by JeffViggiano

reading this forum it seems like every big FA wants to come to dallas...but i've never seen anyone sign with us.


And i doubt that calderon,harris and larkin will be pieces for some big trade...maybe the rookie could be send for a veteran.

It wouldn't be for a big trade - the only asset the Mavs have that could be part of a "big trade" is Dirk. Trading for a quality big is almost impossible anyway.

The Mavs would try to move Harris or Larkin to possibly get a draft pick or in a trade similar to the Celtics/Heat/Warriors trade yesterday.

I'm pretty confident the Mavs won't be making any big trades anytime soon.

[JeffViggiano]

man,you are waiting Harris like the Santo Graal...i think we need a bigger upgrade.

[Burn this City]

Originally Posted by JeffViggiano

man,you are waiting Harris like the Santo Graal...i think we need a bigger upgrade.

A bigger upgrade to do what? Win the title? Yea, the Mavs need another superstar and a rim protector. Sadly, those types of players are not freely available, especially if you don't have the assets to get them. If you trade Calderon and/or Ellis, who do you plan to get back in return?

So realistically speaking, if Harris can come in and play well, that could potentially be the difference between not making the playoffs and getting a 5th or 6th seed.

If they make the playoffs, who knows what could happen with injuries and whatnot. Also, it's a lot easier to attract free agents when you're a playoff team.

[JeffViggiano]

Originally Posted by Burn this City

A bigger upgrade to do what? Win the title? Yea, the Mavs need another superstar and a rim protector. Sadly, those types of players are not freely available, especially if you don't have the assets to get them. If you trade Calderon and/or Ellis, who do you plan to get back in return?

So realistically speaking, if Harris can come in and play well, that could potentially be the difference between not making the playoffs and getting a 5th or 6th seed.

If they make the playoffs, who knows what could happen with injuries and whatnot. Also, it's a lot easier to attract free agents when you're a playoff team.

of course but it's not my fault if we have destroyed a championship team for what??nothing...

and i think that sign a 32yo PG with no defence for 4years at 28M is the right way to rebuild

[Burn this City]

Originally Posted by JeffViggiano

of course but it's not my fault if we have destroyed a championship team for what??

For a playoff team? It's not like the Mavs are Milwaukee, Orlando, Sacramento, the Lakers, etc.

If rebuilding means still making the playoffs and winning most nights, I would probably take that.

[JeffViggiano]

Originally Posted by Burn this City

For a playoff team? It's not like the Mavs are Milwaukee, Orlando, Sacramento, the Lakers, etc.

If rebuilding means still making the playoffs and winning most nights, I would probably take that.

2012--->8th seed and sweeped by the okc
2013--->out of PO
2014--->we are 8th(spurs,okc,blazers,clips,rox and warriors are really better than us)

and our core is very old...i'm glad that you are happy for this situation.

[JeffViggiano]

because cuban haven't get him in this market session...and i still think that the cavs core in perpesctive is better than ours old guys.

we need a player like him right now,we have wasted the last 2years of dirk' era and this is third,too many teams have a better future than us.

p.s.
deng is a better bbplayers than ellis and he has more PO exp.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by JeffViggiano

deng is a better bbplayers than ellis and he has more PO exp.

That wasn't the point... You cited the Mavs inability to land "big name free agents" over the past couple years as a reason why they won't land Deng, and I'm contending that Deng isn't any bigger of a name than Ellis was... He certainly isn't in the same class as LeBron/Paul/Howard, anyway.

[JeffViggiano]

Originally Posted by Underdog

That wasn't the point... You cited the Mavs inability to land "big name free agents" over the past couple years as a reason why they won't land Deng, and I'm contending that Deng isn't any bigger of a name than Ellis was... He certainly isn't in the same class as LeBron/Paul/Howard, anyway.

yes but in this case the Cavs were been smart and they have get him before the expiring of his contract and probabily they will resign him without problems.
i think Deng will not be a really FA.

[Underdog]

Dallas Mavericks expected to pursue Luol Deng in offseason

[sike]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Dallas Mavericks expected to pursue Luol Deng in offseason

I wonder if D. Aldridge is just guessing at this, like we are, or if he actually has anything.

Deng would be a very nice addition.

Deng and a strengthened Center position (say Gortat backed up by Dalembert?) would be a nice improvement.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by sike

I wonder if D. Aldridge is just guessing at this, like we are, or if he actually has anything.

Probably just making an obvious observation - we're going to be one of the better franchises with cap space this summer.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by sike

I wonder if D. Aldridge is just guessing at this, like we are, or if he actually has anything.

Deng would be a very nice addition.

Deng and a strengthened Center position (say Gortat backed up by Dalembert?) would be a nice improvement.

My thoughts exactly. If Mavs land Deng and Gortat in the off-season I'd say they did a pretty good job. If they can somehow persuade Marion and Harris to return at discounts that would be nice too.

Calderon/Larkin
Ellis/Harris/Ellington
Deng/Marion
Dirk/Wright
Gortat/Dalembert/James

A team I could live with next season.

[JeffViggiano]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Dallas Mavericks expected to pursue Luol Deng in offseason

i really hope that...

[sefant77]

The Cavs are a horrible mess...Irving is a diva, Waiters is a diva...coach sucks, their last drafts sucked ass.

Great news, i just dont see Deng staying there if we offer similar money..

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by sefant77

The Cavs are a horrible mess...Irving is a diva, Waiters is a diva...coach sucks, their last drafts sucked ass.

Great news, i just dont see Deng staying there if we offer similar money..

Bad news? Cavs paid their bribes to Stern and he's outty. Let's see if Silver hands them their 9th straight 1st overall pick.

[sike]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Great news, i just dont see Deng staying there if we offer similar money..

If a winning situation comes knocking and offering close money, you'd think anyone with their head on straight would want to jump from that Mike Brown sinking ship.

I'm going to give Deng the benefit of the doubt until proven wrong.

I bet it feels terrible knowing that your head coach is a moron.

[escobar317]

Deng would fit perfect here. He said he'd take $11 mil from Chicago, is that something could afford?

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by escobar317

Deng would fit perfect here. He said he'd take $11 mil from Chicago, is that something could afford?

At the moment, the Mavs only have $26.5m on the books next season with a ~$60m salary cap... Some of that will have to go into re-signing Dirk, but assuming he takes a hometown discount, we should have plenty of money to get Deng (and then some).

[Underdog]

Cleveland Cavaliers Could Trade Luol Deng To Mavericks, Bobcats, Spurs Before Deadline

Luol Deng might not be done moving yet.

The Cleveland Cavaliers could trade the All-Star small forward, whom they acquired in an earlier trade this season with the Chicago Bulls, A source close to situation reported on Friday.

The Cavaliers are in the midst of a terrible season, despite bringing in several players to boost their playoff chances this year. With their playoff hopes slowly slipping away, the Cavs decided to fire general manager Chris Grant, a move seen by NBA analysts as a sign of a major overhaul set to happen within the franchise over the next few months.

Alex Kennedy of Basketball Insiders reported the Cavaliers could trade everyone on their roster, except point guard Kyrie Irving. Thus, the possibility of Deng being traded again before the February 20 trade deadline is not a stretch.

"Deng was acquired one month ago by the Cavaliers, and is reportedly unhappy in Cleveland (describing the team as a "mess" to friends). The veteran small forward can be traded again before the deadline, but he can't be packaged with another player from the Cavaliers," Kennedy stressed.

There are also reports of Deng's growing disinterest in the franchise, prompting speculation that the small forward won't re-sign with the Cavaliers when he becomes an unrestricted free agent this summer.

"The stuff going on in practice would never be tolerated by the coaching staff or the front office back in Chicago. It's a mess," Deng reportedly told a confidante via Mitch Lawrence of New York Daily News.

The Cavaliers might have solved their Andrew Bynum problem by hooking up with the Bulls for Deng on January 9, but they also lost two future first-round picks.

As the franchise look to push the restart button, many analysts predicted the Cavs will deal Deng in exchange for assets such as draft picks or a solid young player.

The Dallas Mavericks, Charlotte Bobcats and San Antonio Spurs are expected to be buyers on the trade front with roughly two weeks left in the trade period. And all of them would make ideal destinations for Deng, though a trade to San Antonio would bolster the defending Western Conference champions' chances of returning to the NBA Finals this season.

http://www.latinopost.com/articles/3...urs-roster.htm

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Please God, don't trade him to the Spurs.

[JeffViggiano]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Please God, don't trade him to the Spurs.

they have Kawhi in that spot.

deng to the mavs????waaaaaawwwww