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Old 05-24-2010, 03:45 PM   #1361
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ha ha, was on another site and someone was complaining about it being such a rip-off that the characters have been dead for the past 7 years.

um, dude, i think you need to watch it again.
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Insanely good recap of the finale and the series (worth reading all 7 pages): http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,2031...387946,00.html


thought this was potentially very insightful: "Fake Locke reached for his knife and jammed it into Jack's side — a spear wound for the would-be Island Christ. Fake Locke straddled Jack. Fake Locke put the knife to Jack's throat and drew blood. (Now we know the origin of Sideways Jack's neck nick — and, I think, Sideways Jack's alleged appendix scar, which was actually a scar from Fake Locke's skewering. We now see that all season long, Jack's own body had been screaming at him: Soul Sleeper, Awaken!"
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ha ha, was on another site and someone was complaining about it being such a rip-off that the characters have been dead for the past 7 years.

um, dude, i think you need to watch it again.
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I have been seeing similar reaction out there. There's also some folks who are upset that they were dead at all...as if they weren't all going to die eventually.
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Yeah and David asking his dad if he was going to "get weird" when talking about his mom....also earlier in the season I seem to remember David was only staying with Jack because his mom was out of town.
I guess I missed that. They seemed to get along at work well (and even be sorta flirty) for a divorced couple with a kid.
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Christian Shepherd even directly says that the island stuff was real. and that the others all died at some time... some before, some after.
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I guess I missed that. They seemed to get along at work well (and even be sorta flirty) for a divorced couple with a kid.
you obviously didn't watch those episodes close enough!
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so... desmond. Do you think desmond was really time traveling in the earlier episodes? Or tapping into his limbo self at an early time?

I think the writers meant it as time travel, but it does work as the other, too. With Eloise guiding him...
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so... desmond. Do you think desmond was really time traveling in the earlier episodes? Or tapping into his limbo self at an early time?

I think the writers meant it as time travel, but it does work as the other, too. With Eloise guiding him...
true...so funny.

no matter what they say...this show was getting worked out a season at a time with only the BIGGEST elements known in advance.
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Christian Shepherd even directly says that the island stuff was real. and that the others all died at some time... some before, some after.
Yeah, he's very clear about it. I find it funny that there are people out there (not on this board) who are saying to the contrary.
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Yes, I think his consciousness was really time traveling as they said it was.

Why this particular run in with electromagnetism (06E11) should cause him to become aware of sideways-purgatory-land and the other run ins caused the time travel...I cannot say, and it's not something that needs to be discussed really. They were all awesome for what they were.

"Flashes before your eyes" is one of my very favorite LOST episodes. The wife and I watched it yesterday as part of our little marathon.
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Can i tell you what was a bigger waste of time than ATS? Introducing the temple characters and new mysteries, killing them off, and not resolving anything with them.

and did we really need the whole "sayid is bad!" stuff? I guess just to redeem him by blowing himself up? but it really didn't amount to anything...

i would rather they have dropped the temple people completely, dropped the sayid stuff, wrapped up some other open-ended things instead. somehow wrap up dharma and the widmore history.

eh, just a thought. That temple stuff was even worse than introducing the tailies and killing them off in the same season.
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I think they had been mentioning the temple since season 3 and they wanted to pay it off. (Err...you know, since they LOVE to pay stuff off )

I think it all helped to illustrate the terror of the smoke monster, but other than that it was a little disappointing and fleeting, wasn't it?
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Yeah for me the only real point of the temple was to showcase the sheer power and determination of smokey.

I'd like to voice my first (and really one of my only) gripes with the finale: I think Jack and Locke needed a few more lines between themselves either during or right after their fight (but before Locke died obviously). I was fine with the way he died, but I just felt like that conflict needed to be bookended a bit better by them actually saying a few more things to each other as it ended. It doesn't even matter too much what they might have said.
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ok, so how many of you think that the island really WAS supposed to be purgatory? But the fans figured it out so quickly, that they had to drop the idea and go elsewhere, making the island real?

Like what i always heard happened with twin peaks.
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I wish they would have made a bigger deal out of Smokey's death...it was just a quick part of the larger story this episode was telling, but still....THIS IS SMOKEY DANG IT!

Even, as LD, suggests a bit more dialogue...or a few parting words as he dies...something to pay homage to this amazing entity.
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maybe if sawyer had been the one to shoot him, and then say "smoke 'em if you got 'em" with a huge burning cigar in his mouth.

or... not.
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any clue as to why Jack wasnt melted by electromagnetism once he put the plug back in? other than it made for a more touching ending??
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ok, so how many of you think that the island really WAS supposed to be purgatory? But the fans figured it out so quickly, that they had to drop the idea and go elsewhere, making the island real?

Like what i always heard happened with twin peaks.
I thought about that a lot since last night. I think it's quite possible. The only reason I hold reservations about that is I think the creators would be hesitant to plan something from the beginning that basically results in, "Nothing that happened in this entire show was real." The nice thing about doing it this way is that 90% of what happened over 6 seasons was still real.
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any clue as to why Jack wasnt melted by electromagnetism once he put the plug back in? other than it made for a more touching ending??
MiB wasn't "melted by electromagnetism" either. Seemed a little weird, but whatever, I don't care.
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I thought about that a lot since last night. I think it's quite possible. The only reason I hold reservations about that is I think the creators would be hesitant to plan something from the beginning that basically results in, "Nothing that happened in this entire show was real." The nice thing about doing it this way is that 90% of what happened over 6 seasons was still real.
I agree, that would be a cop out ending. But it does allow you to introduce mystery after mystery and never explain anything which... oh, which they did anyway.

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MiB wasn't "melted by electromagnetism" either. Seemed a little weird, but whatever, I don't care.
I just figured that MIB was "special" like maybe Desmond...I don't really care as far as judging the quality of the episode, but was just wondering if yall had or had heard any explanations.
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I wish they would have made a bigger deal out of Smokey's death...it was just a quick part of the larger story this episode was telling, but still....THIS IS SMOKEY DANG IT!

Even, as LD, suggests a bit more dialogue...or a few parting words as he dies...something to pay homage to this amazing entity.
the whole Jack vs Smokey duel brought back some frightful memories of just bad bad stuff...

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Ok guys Ive been out of town and Im sorry youve been having to recap all this without me. I was at a concert in Hollywood last night- but watched the finale this morning and re-watched it a few mins ago.

Like all of you, I'm really trying to wrap my head around lots of stuff. Clearly, most of the clues (at least the big ones) are within Jack and Christian's dialog at the end. That pretty much sums it up what took place.

I do have one random question though- why do you think they were showing the plane wreckage on the beach after? Any idea?
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Just watched it again...even better the second time around.
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Also, was I the only one expecting to see some Matrix shit go down between Jack and MIB? lol



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Insanely good recap of the finale and the series (worth reading all 7 pages): http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,2031...387946,00.html
This was a great article- thanks for posting it. It honestly neatly explained the theory roling around in y head better than I could. I'm anxious to see part 2 of this story when it gets posted.
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Old 05-25-2010, 09:58 AM   #1390
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Dont get why Jack had a son in the Afterlife/timeless stuff....
I think Jack's son was a representation of Jack trying to reconcile things with his own father.
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I think Jack's son was a representation of Jack trying to reconcile things with his own father.
I'm impressed w/your insight Murph.
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very cool, mavspwnage.
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This came from Doc Jensen's (of Entertainment Weekly) twitter update:

"The plane wreckage over Lost credits: not part of the story, say reliable sources. Meant to evoke mood. No Ajira crash, no time loops."

That answers one big question for me. I honestly feel like, with the explanation from the EW article Sike posted, that I'm pretty comfortable with the ending. I wonder what it would be like to re-watch season 6 knowing that the alt-verse is a "a psycho-spiritual virtual reality, a vast active living intelligence system (to borrow a phrase from Philip K. Dick's VALIS) created by the collective yearning of the castaways, an ethereal transfer station located at an unspecified junction between life and afterlife"??
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Was anybody else disappointed with the Shannon/Sayid thing? I mean, I railed on the thing back when it first happened as being just a way to create an audience connection with Shannon before killing her off 3 episodes later, but what bothered me about it last night was just that Shannon was never really the love of his life. It was clearly Nadia. Shannon was just a convenient island hook-up.

And I understand that he gave up Nadia earlier on in the flash-sideways, but when you're talking about moving on into eternal afterlife, it seems that it should be with the person he really loved the most.
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Yeah - I see that, but how else do you write Shannon and Boone back into the finale?
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I agree. I don't really see that making sense on any level. Dan is right...it's just the way they needed it to be for the sake of having Shannon come back. Oh well.
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They might be on the short list of all-time worst TV couples. And yeah, it was just forcing a square peg into a round hole to try to bring everyone back...
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In fact, other than when Friends tried to force-feed the Joey-Rachel relationship, I can't think of a worse one.
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Sorry for three posts in a row (I'm starting to feel like Sike) but this was a badass explanation from a writer...

http://geeksofdoom.com/2010/05/24/di...=Google+Reader
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ha ha, was on another site and someone was complaining about it being such a rip-off that the characters have been dead for the past 7 years.

um, dude, i think you need to watch it again.
Good God, it's amazing, I have seen a LOT of people genuinely think this! I'm like, how f'ing stupid are you? You don't even have to infer anything, the dialogue flat out tells you this is not the case. Yet still I see people say:

"We were right all along! The whole thing was purgatory and they died on the plane! Stupid liars!"
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