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DevinHarriswillstart · 01-03-2023, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Almost like we should extend Wood

Then trade the farm for another playmaker

Start over with McGee and try to sign/trade/develop a big who can rebound, set screens, and defend

A small, not sexy, but still appealing version of this that I'm sure you've seen mentioned is Noel/Burks from Detroit. I really wanted Burks from the Knicks during the Brunson fiasco. He is basically another THJ which honestly isn't a bad thing. You can never have enough three point shooters on this team.

And yes, extend Wood the max 4/77. At least offer it. The rumor of them only interested in 2 years is typical Mavs. Hope they come to their senses.

saclare · 01-04-2023, 10:33 AM

Yea, that scenario would not be defensible. At the very worst, that type of contract is so easily tradeable, especially with what he's been doing and showing lately.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-04-2023, 11:28 AM

I mean, he probably wouldn't sign it anyway because 4/100 is about right for his value right now. BUT...FO should offer it just so they can save face if he bolts this summer.

Honestly though, if you can't keep Wood with how well he pairs with Luka, then you need to trade Luka ASAP.

Melonhead · 01-04-2023, 11:44 AM

Its so fn odd they wont offer the full deal, i cant imagine Nico is as stupid as Cuban.

Plus he's the perfect Cuban guy as far as being goofy wants to be around the team and loves playing along Luka.

Theyre gonna offer 2 years, hes going to decline, and leave after the summer, and FO will pretend they tried to keep him.

MFFL · 01-04-2023, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Its so fn odd they wont offer the full deal, i cant imagine Nico is as stupid as Cuban.

I think the discussion will come down to 3+TO vs 3+PO

If the Mavs get a deal done for 2+TO then Nico deserves a raise

Zeus · 01-05-2023, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Its so fn odd they wont offer the full deal, i cant imagine Nico is as stupid as Cuban.

Plus he's the perfect Cuban guy as far as being goofy wants to be around the team and loves playing along Luka.

Theyre gonna offer 2 years, hes going to decline, and leave after the summer, and FO will pretend they tried to keep him.

And the Mavs FO apologists here and elsewhere will fall for it. Cuban doesn't have money (current free cash flow) does he? Doesn't seem like it. There is simply no excuse for either not flipping him at trade deadline or re-signing. If he walks Luka walks in less than 24 months.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-05-2023, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

And the Mavs FO apologists here and elsewhere will fall for it. Cuban doesn't have money (current free cash flow) does he? Doesn't seem like it. There is simply no excuse for either not flipping him at trade deadline or re-signing. If he walks Luka walks in less than 24 months.

There are no FO apologists here. I know you crusade that with every post, but it's not here.

We all know Cuban is cash strapped esp after losing a ton off crypto.

Simply can't have another Brunson situation hanging over our head going into FA.

Zeus · 01-06-2023, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

There are no FO apologists here. I know you crusade that with every post, but it's not here.

We all know Cuban is cash strapped esp after losing a ton off crypto.

Simply can't have another Brunson situation hanging over our head going into FA.

And "elsewhere" There are a few here who act like this has been an unfortunate set of bad luck like Brunson leaving because of daddy and the KP trade not working out. I agree.. If we end the season without Wood and no help comes this summer why would Luka not force their hand after next season. Basically start signaling that he won't re-sign here forcing the Mavs to trade him at some point.

SMC0007 · 01-04-2023, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I mean, he probably wouldn't sign it anyway because 4/100 is about right for his value right now. BUT...FO should offer it just so they can save face if he bolts this summer.

Honestly though, if you can't keep Wood with how well he pairs with Luka, then you need to trade Luka ASAP.

How much can we afford to pay him specifically?

Lestat_1795 · 01-04-2023, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

How much can we afford to pay him specifically?

Right now we can only offer the 77/4 years extension.

MFFL · 01-04-2023, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

How much can we afford to pay him specifically?

The max we can offer is

2023-24 $17,180,951
2024-25 $18,555,427
2025-26 $19,929,903
2026-27 $21,304,379

On the table will be Team Option vs Player Option and number of years. Plus things like lump sum buyout for the Team Option

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-04-2023, 03:34 PM

Contract negotiations have begun per Stein.

If they can't come to an agreement, then the Mavs will look to trade him at the deadline also per Stein.

Yeesh, no pressure.

Melonhead · 01-04-2023, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Contract negotiations have begun per Stein.

If they can't come to an agreement, then the Mavs will look to trade him at the deadline also per Stein.

Yeesh, no pressure.

The "if they cant come to an agreement" pretty much tells you how the Mavs will handle this. Lowball and/or 2 years.

SMC0007 · 01-04-2023, 08:24 PM

Yes. Sorry, I meant what is the max IF we can't work out a deal and he makes it past TDL to FA.

SMC0007 · 01-04-2023, 08:29 PM

Never mind.

https://twitter.com/CBAMavs/status/1...eB2WLbVYA&s=19

saclare · 01-05-2023, 12:03 PM

Yup, and that's exactly why I think he's simply going to wait and bet on himself. It takes two to tango and Wood is going to cost more than 4/$77M imo unless they truly are just haggling over TO vs PO

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-05-2023, 12:14 PM

Then the Mavs will trade him. Cheap ass Cuban isn't giving him the 4/100+ he deserves.

Like if the 2 year thing is serious, then there is no way Wood is here long term.

Dallas41 · 01-05-2023, 01:07 PM

So, what can we get for THJ, Wood, Hardy and McGee?

Is that enough plus picks for Lavine & Vuc?

Luka
Lavine
Bullock
DFS
Vuc

Kemba
Dinwiddie
Green
Powell

SMC0007 · 01-05-2023, 01:31 PM

It would shock me if he settled for what we can offer him right now. It's a gamble for him because he is likely on a playoff team now and who know where he could get traded. Not seeing how we risk losing him for nothing if extension falls through.

Just make the team better, even if we lose him. Back sliding is not an option

Melonhead · 01-05-2023, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

It would shock me if he settled for what we can offer him right now. It's a gamble for him because he is likely on a playoff team now and who know where he could get traded. Not seeing how we risk losing him for nothing if extension falls through.

Just make the team better, even if we lose him. Back sliding is not an option

Thing is, theres no one we can trade him for thats going to make us better. Not someone thats going to come in here immediately, mesh with luka and put up 18/9/1.5 every night. Any team that may be interested will be contenders to put them over the top, salary dump, or wait til the summer.

So FO can keep trying to strongarm him saying we'll trade you, but they will ONLY be hurting the roster. Hes way more important to this team right now than anyone theyll trade for.

SMC0007 · 01-05-2023, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Thing is, theres no one we can trade him for thats going to make us better. Not someone thats going to come in here immediately, mesh with luka and put up 18/9/1.5 every night. Any team that may be interested will be contenders to put them over the top, salary dump, or wait til the summer.

So FO can keep trying to strongarm him saying we'll trade you, but they will ONLY be hurting the roster. Hes way more important to this team right now than anyone theyll trade for.

Do we know for a fact that FO is trying to string arm? Genuine question. They could be working a killer deal for all I know.

There probably isn't a guy to come in and hit the ground running at the pace we are currently on. However, losing him for nothing is something we can't afford, so they better be some stone turning Mthr fvckers right now behind thr scenes.

Either way, even if we extend him, we still need help. It's not like we are contenders if we extend today. We are closer in theory though.

Melonhead · 01-05-2023, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Do we know for a fact that FO is trying to string arm? Genuine question. They could be working a killer deal for all I know.

There probably isn't a guy to come in and hit the ground running at the pace we are currently on. However, losing him for nothing is something we can't afford, so they better be some stone turning Mthr fvckers right now behind thr scenes.

Either way, even if we extend him, we still need help. It's not like we are contenders if we extend today. We are closer in theory though.

By forcing on him the 2 year deal or get traded off the team. Hopefully they work closer to a 3 year with PO or TO, or meet in the middle somehow.

All I know if Cuban is notorious for trying to lowball in negotiations barring Luka/KP superstars. Im setting myself up for disappointment just in case though.

SMC0007 · 01-05-2023, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

By forcing on him the 2 year deal or get traded off the team. Hopefully they work closer to a 3 year with PO or TO, or meet in the middle somehow.

All I know if Cuban is notorious for trying to lowball in negotiations barring Luka/KP superstars. Im setting myself up for disappointment just in case though.

I think Cuban is a wild card...and a dipshit. We overpay DP, Kleber, THJ and I feel like maybe Messley Mathews and a cpl others , but then lose JB and now Wood is up in the air. Who knows

JustJay · 01-05-2023, 02:34 PM

If Wood walks for nothing just like Brunson that is a bad sign that this FO won't be able to build a championship team around Luka.

Simon2 · 01-06-2023, 08:27 AM

Not extending Wood would be silly and it would send a message to Luka. The guy practically endorsed Wood already. As an organization, the optics of having JB and Wood leaveis very bad. Not only for fans but to a certain guy named Luka.

Scoobay · 01-07-2023, 12:40 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2CSNprnflg

Pandahank channel - Luka-Wood connections

i'm crying thinking that Wood could leave for nothing...

Simon2 · 01-08-2023, 11:26 AM

Not sure if Cuban is cash strapped. He did offer a large amount to JB but JB really wanted to play with his dad and to the team he has been a fan all his life. Do the Mavs not think Wood is worth it? I feel like Mavs apply Shark Tank logic too much. Is this a good investment? Problem in that approach is they are dealing with a person and not a business. Wood checks off all the boxes, pay the man already.

Dallas41 · 01-08-2023, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Simon2

Not sure if Cuban is cash strapped. He did offer a large amount to JB but JB really wanted to play with his dad and to the team he has been a fan all his life. Do the Mavs not think Wood is worth it? I feel like Mavs apply Shark Tank logic too much. Is this a good investment? Problem in that approach is they are dealing with a person and not a business. Wood checks off all the boxes, pay the man already.

I personally don't think he's a 2nd option and shouldn't be paid as one.

I mean even if they lock him he still doesn't put them into championship contention which is probably why Cuban is reluctant

I've bagged on Cuban lately but unless he lands someone like Lavine to play with Luka it doesn't make sense to pay Wood top dollars if he doesn't put you over the top.

saclare · 01-09-2023, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

I personally don't think he's a 2nd option and shouldn't be paid as one.

I mean even if they lock him he still doesn't put them into championship contention which is probably why Cuban is reluctant

I've bagged on Cuban lately but unless he lands someone like Lavine to play with Luka it doesn't make sense to pay Wood top dollars if he doesn't put you over the top.

The only problem I'd have is if you lose him for nothing. Mavs are now in max Luka times and will have to retain talent when it comes to them. Wood fits that bill and at the very least would be tradeable down the line as an asset.

I'm struggling to see the Lavine fit mostly due to his contract. Is it even doable to get Lavine and retain Wood. That would be something I'm interested in for sure. You'll not be able to do much else, so you have to have high confidence in the fit and even more so in Lavine's health.

EricaLubarsky · 03-07-2023, 09:54 AM

Kyrie calling out Wood for being me-first instead of team-first.

saclare · 03-07-2023, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Kyrie calling out Wood for being me-first instead of team-first.

Source?

EricaLubarsky · 03-07-2023, 11:31 AM

https://twitter.com/GrantAfseth/stat...752609281?s=20

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While a lot of focus is placed on discussing "fit" with Kyrie Irving and Luka Doncic, I asked Irving about how the lineups are progressing when he leads the Mavericks' bench group:

"Just not losing the leads, or kind of coming in and not having a team-first mentality. Guys are coming off the bench and want to come in and show their talent, obviously put points on the board. But I think we're just easing into and just knowing that if we continue to play at a high pace, everybody's going to get their shots."

"Just continuing to have that next-play mentality. If you don't get it that one play, do something for your teammate in order to get him a better shot or put yourself in position. It's just one of those times throughout the season, especially where we are after the trade, where our units are figuring each other out. And when we do, we'll be good."

There's really only two guys that come off the bench that are putting up shots-- THJ and Wood. THJ and Kyrie are tight, so it's not hard to see that he's talking about Wood.

I get it-- Wood thought he'd be drafted and wasn't. He had to fight every day to have a roster spot. We're his 7th team in 8 years so it has to be hard to be a team-first guy when it's a different team every year and you are desperate for that next payday.

Still, I think Kyrie might be right-- there are guys who are going for their own glory (and who wouldn't on the Rockets) that need to grow up and play team-first ball.

saclare · 03-07-2023, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

https://twitter.com/GrantAfseth/stat...752609281?s=20

There's really only two guys that come off the bench that are putting up shots-- THJ and Wood. THJ and Kyrie are tight, so it's not hard to see that he's talking about Wood.

I get it-- Wood thought he'd be drafted and wasn't. He had to fight every day to have a roster spot. We're his 7th team in 8 years so it has to be hard to be a team-first guy when it's a different team every year and you are desperate for that next payday.

Still, I think Kyrie might be right-- there are guys who are going for their own glory (and who wouldn't on the Rockets) that need to grow up and play team-first ball.

Ahh that was from a game or two ago right? Yea, I took that as a loving shot at Wood, but a general input from Kyrie, too. Very broad, but it doesn't hurt to have another guy of Luka's caliber to enforce these ideals. Definitely understand the mentality from Wood's perspective and that's how you grow as a player and team. Let's see if they can make necessary changes...

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-07-2023, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

https://twitter.com/GrantAfseth/stat...752609281?s=20

There's really only two guys that come off the bench that are putting up shots-- THJ and Wood. THJ and Kyrie are tight, so it's not hard to see that he's talking about Wood.

I get it-- Wood thought he'd be drafted and wasn't. He had to fight every day to have a roster spot. We're his 7th team in 8 years so it has to be hard to be a team-first guy when it's a different team every year and you are desperate for that next payday.

Still, I think Kyrie might be right-- there are guys who are going for their own glory (and who wouldn't on the Rockets) that need to grow up and play team-first ball.

Again though, who didn't know this after we traded for him? Impossible to be team first when you played for the Rockets being promised a chance to play with James Harden.

With that said, it still doesn't negate what is going on with Powell. Powell is team first and all bad minus the incredible picks.

So I'm all for Kyrie leading and calling guys out...100%. But the guy who we desperately need defense and rebounding from who should be called out is Diamond Powell. I get that it's not his fault he has this role, but so long as he has it....welp.

purplefrog · 03-07-2023, 03:54 PM

Old but interesting article about Wood. Maybe this was posted earlier in the thread, but if not it kind of captures what we have seen.

https://www.dmagazine.com/sports/202...s-got-a-steal/