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Old 10-26-2014, 10:17 PM   #1
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Default Welcome back, JJ Barea!

Any chance this is why we might want to keep an open roster spot?
We know how much RC loves this kid.

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According to Stein, this is going to happen. I'd assume the Mavs will let Mekel go.
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Be honest Mavs fans. JJB was never a great player for us except in the 2011 playoffs. We ended up playing 2 teams that did not have anyone quick enough to cover him. He killed the Lakers because Derrick Fisher was 40 years old. Before that he was mostly inconsistent. I love him because without him, we don't win the championship. Starting him against Miami was one of the riskiest, smartest coaching moves in an NBA Finals of my lifetime, and I turn 60 today.

But do I expect him to be a lot of help now, when all the teams we need to beat are stocked with young, quick guards? Not really. If Carlisle wants him, I'm ok with it, but its not like I'm jumping for joy.
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Be honest Mavs fans. JJB was never a great player for us except in the 2011 playoffs. We ended up playing 2 teams that did not have anyone quick enough to cover him. He killed the Lakers because Derrick Fisher was 40 years old. Before that he was mostly inconsistent. I love him because without him, we don't win the championship. Starting him against Miami was one of the riskiest, smartest coaching moves in an NBA Finals of my lifetime, and I turn 60 today.

But do I expect him to be a lot of help now, when all the teams we need to beat are stocked with young, quick guards? Not really. If Carlisle wants him, I'm ok with it, but its not like I'm jumping for joy.
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I never post, but have always followed this board but I just have to say many of you are so full of it I can't believe it...... The year of the mavs championship season there were so many of you hatin on Barea, and I even commented on how much I thought it could help this team.. It was obvious to me that he was a baller and could really help! The naysayers wanted to ship him out just like they do now... Haven't you learned anything? The guy has skills when motivated and playing with the right people.. He has those intangibles that can't be taught.. Having this kid on the team is a huge upgrade and I would venture to say he is going to do incredible things for this team this year... Those of you doubting him have seriously short memories...
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Be honest Mavs fans. JJB was never a great player for us except in the 2011 playoffs. We ended up playing 2 teams that did not have anyone quick enough to cover him. He killed the Lakers because Derrick Fisher was 40 years old. Before that he was mostly inconsistent. I love him because without him, we don't win the championship. Starting him against Miami was one of the riskiest, smartest coaching moves in an NBA Finals of my lifetime, and I turn 60 today.

But do I expect him to be a lot of help now, when all the teams we need to beat are stocked with young, quick guards? Not really. If Carlisle wants him, I'm ok with it, but its not like I'm jumping for joy.
how do you feel now about jjb buddy? please ellaborate.
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Didn't JJ complain about lack of playing time in Minny? So how is he supposed to be fine with potentially being the 3rd or 4th string PG on this team? Nelson is the starting PG, Devin is his backup, which would leave Barea battling with Felton for 3rd string minutes. How is this supposed to work?
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Didn't JJ complain about lack of playing time in Minny? So how is he supposed to be fine with potentially being the 3rd or 4th string PG on this team? Nelson is the starting PG, Devin is his backup, which would leave Barea battling with Felton for 3rd string minutes. How is this supposed to work?

I never had any doubt it would work in fact it was obvious .... how do you feel now after looking at what your eyes tell you and not to mention the stat sheet for jjb.
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Not exited about that possible move.
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Me neither. I remember quite well how many of us complained about him in the regular season. And not only in 2010-11, but also before. A complete black hole on defense, very often overdribbling and unable to find the open man, preferably Dirk. In the playoffs he was meh against Portland, very good against LA (well, a 40y old Fisher as your opponent helps), okay vs. OKC and good vs. Miami. A decent playoff run in total, but basically he caught the lightning in a bottle at the right time. He can be useful, I'm not going to deny that, but by now basically every NBA team should know how to handle him.
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there is any chance that he will replace Felton?
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On JJ, who's minutes does he take? Bc I hate the idea of him taking minutes from Aminu. Don't really like the idea of him taking minutes from RJ.
Don't care about him taking minutes from Felton.
Don't care about him taking Mekel's spot/minutes.

If he still has any game left (I admittedly didn't watch the Wolves much), JJ can at least attack the rim and provide another great P&R partner with Dirk.

Two things Gal can't do.
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Would that mean that Harris would be the full-time back at the 2 maybe?
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I thought in 2011 jj finally got it. He greatly reduced his pounding of the ball, his 3pt shot really was solid after a tough first month.

I think most complaints and I was sure one of them came from prior seasons. All that being said if he's a replacement for Felton I am on board. He will be a big upgrade over mekel.

I don't know what this says about Devin as point, maybe a failed bit, I don't know.

But I certainly wouldn't jump through hoops to get him but I expect mekel to be gone either way. Either now or as soon as Felton returns. Mekel is just meh at best.
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Here's how I see our PGs -- Nelson > Harris > Felton > JJB > Mekel. So if we're swapping out Mekel for JJB, then that's an upgrade. My only complaint would be if Carlisle starts using him more than he should, which I think is likely to happen.
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I think this indicates Rick is not satisfied with our backup PG's. (Felton / Mekel). Have they played poorly so far this preseason?
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I think this indicates Rick is not satisfied with our backup PG's. (Felton / Mekel). Have they played poorly so far this preseason?
Felton has been hurt and is also due a 4 game suspension. Mekel hasn't played bad, but he's a limited player who is a borderline NBA talent. I think the Mavs would like to trade Felton so they can clear cap space for next year, so that's one possible motivation for this move, but more likely it's just them being opportunistic and upgrading the bottom of their roster (JJB > Mekel).
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I have a feeling he will take Felton's spot one way or another as primary backup PG.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Mavs shop Felton during the season.
Not sure what Milwaukee's situation will be but I'm wondering if they would have any interest in a Felton/Wright/Crowder for Sanders deal later in the year. They'd save a ton of money and we'd sure up our center position for this season and beyond.
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Dirk likes him and that's good enough for me. Dirk said some very flattering things about JJB when he left. He is tough and took a lot of charges. Nice change-up pitch to throw out there. Fierce competitor.
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I wonder if deep down Carlisle doesn't think Felton is really bought in weight wise or rehab wise. It would have been a great benefit if felton could have gotten back on the court in a limited capacity to serve his 4 game penalty. Now they have to hang onto mekel until they see if Felton is worth a durn. At least what, 15 games from now?
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I wonder if deep down Carlisle doesn't think Felton is really bought in weight wise or rehab wise. It would have been a great benefit if felton could have gotten back on the court in a limited capacity to serve his 4 game penalty. Now they have to hang onto mekel until they see if Felton is worth a durn. At least what, 15 games from now?
I think the front office and Carlisle are not high on Felton, but he's making what? Like 4 million a year and they had to take him on to get Tyson, at least they were able to dump a contract for a player that never saw time (Ellington). I don't think they'll release him but I do expect him dealt by deadline.


As for JJB, he's a PG and better than Mekel so I'd be fine with that move.
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DALLAS -- J.J. Barea, a fan favorite from Dallas' 2011 championship team, has agreed to rejoin the Mavericks.

After clearing waivers Wednesday afternoon, Barea will sign a veteran's-minimum deal with the Mavs, who intend to release second-year guard Gal Mekel to make room on the roster.

J.J. Barea has rejoined the Mavericks after agreeing to a contract buyout with the Timberwolves.

Barea finalized a buyout Monday with the Minnesota Timberwolves, who signed him to a four-year, $18 million deal following the Mavs' title run.

The 6-foot Barea spent the first five seasons of his career with the Mavericks. He primarily served as a sparkplug off the bench but started the last three games of the 2011 NBA Finals against the Miami Heat, a move that helped the Mavs win each of those games.

Barea, who has career averages of 8.3 points and 3.4 assists, will join a deep guard rotation in Dallas with Jameer Nelson and Monta Ellis as starters and Devin Harris and Raymond Felton coming off the bench.

The Mavs owe $1.76 million to Mekel, whose contract was guaranteed through the 2015-16 season. He played in 31 games as a rookie, averaging 2.4 points and 2.0 assists.

"I have a lot of respect for Gal," said Mavs owner Mark Cuban, who informed Mekel of the team's plans on Monday. "He is easily the most improved player in training camp, so he earned it. He busted his ass. We were completely transparent with everything that's going on."
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Oh, boy. I love Jose and will always be grateful for him for his undeniable contributions to our championship run, but the truth is, that season (2010/2011) was his only season when he was an above average/good, impactful bench player, and he is clearly a worse player now than he was back then. I hope Carlisle won't get sentimental, Jose should not see minutes unless there is an injury.
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Good luck with that. JJB's gonna play a fair amount.
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Oh, boy. I love Jose and will always be grateful for him for his undeniable contributions to our championship run, but the truth is, that season (2010/2011) was his only season when he was an above average/good, impactful bench player, and he is clearly a worse player now than he was back then. I hope Carlisle won't get sentimental, Jose should not see minutes unless there is an injury.
Lets see how he looks surrounded by better players with a winning culture. t-wolves have been a mess
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I wonder if deep down Carlisle doesn't think Felton is really bought in weight wise or rehab wise. It would have been a great benefit if felton could have gotten back on the court in a limited capacity to serve his 4 game penalty. Now they have to hang onto mekel until they see if Felton is worth a durn. At least what, 15 games from now?
The hurdle of being bad on a terrible Knicks team is a big one. Chandler wasn't great, but he still averaged a reasonably decent 9/10 for them in a wasted season. Felton has videos that document his terribleness last season...fair or not. Not too many NBA players have that.

I just don't think his game fits the rotation at all. Maybe we all eat crow, but I doubt it.
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I am SO pumped that J.J. Barea is (soon to be) back on the Mavs! How awesome is that?!!!

I wonder if ANY team is interested in a package that includes Raymond Felton, Greg Smith, Ricky Ledo, and some draft picks for some quality player in return. I'd like for the team to get a higher quality big man. Maybe they can also include Richard Jefferson or Jae Crowder. I'd stop there. I like everyone else on the team. Some of these guys just look like trade bait though.
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The only thing that seems to put a crimp in this is I expected mekel to be gone as soon as Felton was back on the court. Now if they want that extra roster spot they have to find it someplace else. Mekel they just cut, jjb after signing here I don't know and Felton isn't going to be just cut I don't think. At least not soon.

That leaves ledo/Charlie v/ and smith as the cutees. I don't like any of those cuts because we are already midgets in the backcourt.
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Something I think a lot of folks are forgetting is that JJ isn't and never really was a PG. Now it's true that in Carlisle's system, guards (and wings in general) don't really have defined positions, I would say that JJ is a guy who would be playing next to Devin more often than he'd be taking his minutes.

I would be okay with signing Barea and waiving Mekel, I guess, but honestly the move doesn't excite me that much. Barea is great if you can give him 20MPG and free reign to drive and create chaos, but I don't see where those opportunities come from on this roster if everyone's healthy. Combine that with the fact that Dirk and Tyson (one season) are the only guys on this roster that have played with JJ... I honestly think I'd rather just keep Mekel, who has played with all of these guys and was showing some growth and value during the preseason. Maybe if we replaced Felton instead, I'd be cool with it, but to cut bait on Mekel, who we've invested a lot of time in, just to bring back Barea, who might not really have a clear role here... I don't know. I wouldn't absolutely hate the move but I wouldn't be that excited about it either.
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Something I think a lot of folks are forgetting is that JJ isn't and never really was a PG. Now it's true that in Carlisle's system, guards (and wings in general) don't really have defined positions, I would say that JJ is a guy who would be playing next to Devin more often than he'd be taking his minutes.

I would be okay with signing Barea and waiving Mekel, I guess, but honestly the move doesn't excite me that much. Barea is great if you can give him 20MPG and free reign to drive and create chaos, but I don't see where those opportunities come from on this roster if everyone's healthy. Combine that with the fact that Dirk and Tyson (one season) are the only guys on this roster that have played with JJ... I honestly think I'd rather just keep Mekel, who has played with all of these guys and was showing some growth and value during the preseason. Maybe if we replaced Felton instead, I'd be cool with it, but to cut bait on Mekel, who we've invested a lot of time in, just to bring back Barea, who might not really have a clear role here... I don't know. I wouldn't absolutely hate the move but I wouldn't be that excited about it either.
are you excited now? jjb has been what I expected. darn good!
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Some non-Jazz NBA news: The Dallas Mavericks will sign point guard J.J. Barea and cut Gal Mekel, per a source.
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Interesting.

Nelson/Harris/Felton/JJB is deep and none of those guys are young guys that can spend time in the D-league to help get the roster to 13 active.
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Interesting.

Nelson/Harris/Felton/JJB is deep and none of those guys are young guys that can spend time in the D-league to help get the roster to 13 active.
How many guys can suit for a game?

Nelson/Barea/Felton
Ellis/Harris/Ledo
Parsons/RJ/Crowder
Dirk/Aminu/CV
Chandler/Wright/Smith

Who will be the odd guys out outside of Ledo?
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Who is inactive?

First 10 games
1) Felton (injury/suspension)
2) Ledo (inactive, then D-league when that starts in mid-Nov)

After that if we don't have injuries
1) Ledo (D-league)
2) ??

The nice thing about a 15-man roster is that the two inactive spots can be used for D-leaguers who are developing, but with the exception of Ledo, our whole roster is older vets. It's nice to be able to go 14 deep with vets, but it's going to mean that if we're healthy, a veteran (Charlie/Felton/Crowder) is going to have to be inactive.
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Who is inactive?

First 10 games
1) Felton (injury/suspension)
2) Ledo (inactive, then D-league when that starts in mid-Nov)

After that if we don't have injuries
1) Ledo (D-league)
2) ??

The nice thing about a 15-man roster is that the two inactive spots can be used for D-leaguers who are developing, but with the exception of Ledo, our whole roster is older vets. It's nice to be able to go 14 deep with vets, but it's going to mean that if we're healthy, a veteran (Charlie/Felton/Crowder) is going to have to be inactive.
You answered my question while I was typing

Felton is obviously the odd guy out. PG is the deepest position but he is a pretty damn good insurance player to have. Hate to see Mekel go but on the wrong team at the wrong time for what we are trying to accomplish.

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I don't really care how the Mavs juggle the roster spots of Felton, CV, and Mekel. Due to Felton's contract, I suspect he is guaranteed to stay for trade purposes. My biggest concern is is Tyson has an injury. I like Wright just fine as a backup with the 2nd unit but don't really like the prospects of him starting at center with the 1st team for an extended period. I don't really care if we bring in JJ to replace Felton or CV or Mekel but can find a backup at center for insurance to a Tyson injury. Sarge was not the answer and that is why he is not here. He may return if that injury happens and the Mavs haven't filled the void. Pacers just lost George Hill for 3 weeks minimum. Felton for Ian?
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I don't really care how the Mavs juggle the roster spots of Felton, CV, and Mekel. Due to Felton's contract, I suspect he is guaranteed to stay for trade purposes. My biggest concern is is Tyson has an injury. I like Wright just fine as a backup with the 2nd unit but don't really like the prospects of him starting at center with the 1st team for an extended period. I don't really care if we bring in JJ to replace Felton or CV or Mekel but can find a backup at center for insurance to a Tyson injury. Sarge was not the answer and that is why he is not here. He may return if that injury happens and the Mavs haven't filled the void. Pacers just lost George Hill for 3 weeks minimum. Felton for Ian?
Yeah, center scares me the most, but I think that Wright will always be the bench guy, because he plays so well with Harris.

When healthy:
Chandler/Wright/Smith

If Chandler were to get injured:
Smith/Wright

But yeah, if Chandler were to get injured, we'd be really thin and we'd probably need to have Charlie or Dirk cover the center spot if Smith got in foul trouble or if Wright was getting destroyed.
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I don't really care how the Mavs juggle the roster spots of Felton, CV, and Mekel. Due to Felton's contract, I suspect he is guaranteed to stay for trade purposes. My biggest concern is is Tyson has an injury. I like Wright just fine as a backup with the 2nd unit but don't really like the prospects of him starting at center with the 1st team for an extended period. I don't really care if we bring in JJ to replace Felton or CV or Mekel but can find a backup at center for insurance to a Tyson injury. Sarge was not the answer and that is why he is not here. He may return if that injury happens and the Mavs haven't filled the void. Pacers just lost George Hill for 3 weeks minimum. Felton for Ian?
Completely agree with you sig and I've felt that Mihinmi would be a perfect fit. Whithey is another but I doubt a young team like Pelicans would let him go.

It would take more than Felton to get Mihinmi but a 2nd rounder and Smith would certainly have a chance. I'd also even consider Wright for Mihinmi straight up.

But my bet is that Mavs will certainly be looking for a center trade by the middle of the season.
I still say Felton/Wright/Crowder for Larry Sanders when Milwaukee starts to fall apart.

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