Marx and Lenin

[dude1394]

So kerry is a "centrist??"......Right.....Family values.....Right...Try leftist values. Try weak-american values. Try socialist values.

kerry/kenney leftists on polipundit

John Kerry 1985-1990 (analysis)

I'm going to be doing an analysis of the Kerry record in the weeks to come. But to set the stage, let's take a look at Kerry's ratings from 1985-through 1990 from the American Conservative Union. He will be compared to Senator Edward Kennedy.

1985-Kennedy 9%, Kerry 5%
1986-Kennedy10%, Kerry 9%
1987-Kennedy 0%, Kerry 4%
1988-Kennedy 0%, Kerry 0%
1989-Kennedy 7%, Kerry 11%
1990-Kennedy 0%, Kerry 5%

This guy is just so mainstream...

From the leftwing ADA

1985-Kennedy 85%, Kerry 85%
1986-Kennedy 80%, Kerry 90%
1987-Kennedy 90%, Kerry 85%
1988-Kennedy 95%, Kerry 90%
1989-Kennedy 85%, Kerry 95%
1990-Kennedy 100%, Kerry 94%

So there you have the Kennedy-Kerry voting record for the period 1985-1990. As you can see, Kerry, throughout his first term, built an unassailable record of moderation.

[Epitome22]

Another frivilous post by idiots with no sense of political spectrum and weak on ideas for insult. Apparantly both of you don't know what a moderate is. When you can bring up the voting records where Kerry voted for an overthrow og the Capitalist oppressor society and a mass redistribution of wealth, then you can accuse him or Marxism. Hint: Republicans are closer to "Far Right" or "Fascist" extremeism (Nazis, etc.) Then Dems are to Communists and that's no hyperbole.

[dude1394]

as usual..scoreboard dude. try not to let the facts hit you as you go right past.

[Dooby]

Originally posted by: Epitome22
Another frivilous post by idiots with no sense of political spectrum and weak on ideas for insult. Apparantly both of you don't know what a moderate is. When you can bring up the voting records where Kerry voted for an overthrow og the Capitalist oppressor society and a mass redistribution of wealth, then you can accuse him or Marxism. Hint: Republicans are closer to "Far Right" or "Fascist" extremeism (Nazis, etc.) Then Dems are to Communists and that's no hyperbole.

I am not a big fan of the "commie" label being tossed around or the level of discourse currently in this forum, but you could help by trying to raise the level of discussion yourself. Elements of the post were probably over the top, but not frivolous.

And the fascist and nazi crap doesn't sit well with me and won't be tolerated by me. So stop it.

[kg_veteran]

I've never really understood the misconception that the fascists/Nazis were or are "far right". I mean, it makes for a great hateful label, but it doesn't really accurately describe the Nazi/fascist ideology.

[Mavdog]

IMHO Fascism was the convergence of the far right in the treatment of the individual citizen (totalitarian state, extreme nationalism) and the far left treatment of industry (central control, ownership by the state). In the circle of political ideas, it is the opposite point of the circumference than a moderate occupies.

In many ways Stalin was a fascist but cloaked his ideology in Marxism. As we all know, the USSR was anything but a worker's paradise. It was the workers who eventually prevailed and defeated the ideology of Stalin.

The utterance of the phrase "fascist" with Bush is as absurd as the phrase "marxist" with kerry or 99.9% of the Democrats.

[Dooby]

Annecdote: Back in the day, I was chatting with a local democratic congressman's staffer and we were commenting on the kind of calls we get. She commented that so many calls started off with "The fascists at the VA...", "the nazi's at the post office..., "the fascists at the IRS..." I commented that every call we got started with "The commies at the VA...", "the communists at the post office..., "the socialists at the IRS..." She commented, "I wonder why that is." I said it was easy to figure out: they really think her office was filled with a bunch of commies and they didn't want to offend her, and they really thought my office was filled with a bunch of nazis and fascists and they didn't want to offend me.

[kg_veteran]

The official title of the Nazi Party was, "The National Socialist Workers Party of Germany". The Nazis advocated the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, national resources, manufacturing, distribution and law enforcement.

Hitler came to power by turning the working class, unemployed, and academic elite against the conservative republic. Party membership was especially popular with educators, bureaucrats, and the press. Being a Nazi was "politically correct". Anyone who questioned Nazi high-handedness in the German press was branded a "Conservative Reactionary".

The Nazis were socialists with political views very similar to those of Marx and Lenin.

[Epitome22]

Originally posted by: kg_veteran
The official title of the Nazi Party was, "The National Socialist Workers Party of Germany". The Nazis advocated the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, national resources, manufacturing, distribution and law enforcement.

Hitler came to power by turning the working class, unemployed, and academic elite against the conservative republic. Party membership was especially popular with educators, bureaucrats, and the press. Being a Nazi was "politically correct". Anyone who questioned Nazi high-handedness in the German press was branded a "Conservative Reactionary".

The Nazis were socialists with political views very similar to those of Marx and Lenin.

Not really. To be fair, many of the traditional center and right political parties of the Weimar Republic accused the Nazis of being socialists citing planks in the Nazis' party program which called for nationalization of trusts and other socialist measures. However, the German National People's Party, the most important party on the mainstream right, usually treated the Nazis as a respected potential member of coalition cabinet. The Nazis' came to power through an alliance with traditional conservative forces.



Because Nazism is an abbreviation for "National Socialism", and Nazi leaders sometimes described their ideology as a form of socialism, some people believe that Nazism was a form of socialism, or that there are similarities between Nazism and socialism. Nazi leaders were opposed to the Marxist idea of class conflict and opposed the idea that capitalism should be abolished and that workers should control the means of production. Nazis detested and eventually outlawed Socialist/Leftist parties like the Social Democratic party of Germany and the Communist party. Established socialist movements did not view the Nazis as socialists and argued that the Nazis were thinly disguised reactionaries.

[kg_veteran]

I'm not sure where you cut and pasted that from, but you're incorrect.

The Nazis were socialists.

[LRB]

Nazis detested and eventually outlawed Socialist/Leftist parties like the Social Democratic party of Germany and the Communist party. Established socialist movements did not view the Nazis as socialists and argued that the Nazis were thinly disguised reactionaries.

Nazis essentially outlawed all other parties, just like the communists.

[Epitome22]

Originally posted by: kg_veteran
I'm not sure where you cut and pasted that from, but you're incorrect.

The Nazis were socialists.

Actually they weren't. Perhaps YOU could cut and paste something to the contrary a little more convincing than "because I said so"

[kg_veteran]

Originally posted by: Epitome22

Actually they weren't. Perhaps YOU could cut and paste something to the contrary a little more convincing than "because I said so"

I'll try to run something down for you when I get a chance.