Kevin Martin

[sefant77]

Imagine the Kings wanna cut money, they see Evans is more a SG than PG, they wanna dump at least 1 of Udrih or Noci, they see Martins health issues etc.

A trade in january or february after Martin is back healthy:

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade...radeid=5271995

That trade works also with Josh of course.

Nocis contract is horrible, but we can ship Carroll at least. Noci brings toughness and maybe he gets back on track playing for a contender.

Martin is except D and health everything we need on SG...still too big question marks?

[mavs777]

will Martin be able to play second fiddle to Dirk? Where does Nociano get any minutes if Josh is healthy?

[kingrex]

I would love to get Martin, but who would/should do we trade to get him?

Our team seems perfect without him, but he would be a great addition to the team

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

A first place contending team doesn't trade away key pieces. (unless you're the Suns)

[Ummmmm Ok]

LOL LOL - this trade works as well: http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade...radeid=5275642

[kg_veteran]

Howard for Martin works, and I'd make that trade.

[Dirkenstien]

Same here. I'd imagine that would be somewhat attractive to them for the expiring contract, although they may want a pick or two as well.

[Ummmmm Ok]

according to some members at the sacramento boards, they don't really want Martin back. http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtop...?f=29&t=956381

But some think only if its for LeBron, Wade, Howard, Bosh or any other DOMINANT superstar.... LOL

[Dirkenstien]

Originally Posted by Ummmmm Ok

according to some members at the sacramento boards, they don't really want Martin back. http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtop...?f=29&t=956381

But some think only if its for LeBron, Wade, Howard, Bosh or any other DOMINANT superstar.... LOL

Yeah those return expectations are bit unrealistic, but really J-Ho for Martin is a pretty even trade based on talent although Martin holds a little more value due to his age. I think if they did trade him they would probably rather go with another offer of expirings, prospects and high draft picks. Other than Calathes and Robo (who we're definitely not parting with), I'm not sure we have any true prospects or draft picks to offer.

[Dirkadirkastan]

This is Kevin Durant Theory all over again.

[spreedom]

Kevin Martin is eternally hampered by a severe case of sandy vaginitis. I don't want that soft chucker on my team unless he's the 3rd or 4th best player. He doesn't play any D (despite being a reasonably good athlete) and if his shot isn't falling, he isn't contributing in any way. I'd trade expiring contracts of players I don't want for him, but none of our top 5.

[jthig32]

I would not trade Josh for Martin.

[darkwitzki]

Martin and Nocioni for Josh if it's possible.

[sefant77]

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade...radeid=5345470

Anyone doing that? Kings get quality and flexibility back.

Nobrainer if they throw Hawes in the trade, he has/had issues with the coach.

http://www.sacbee.com/sports/story/2422568.html

[themaverickfan708]

Mavs trade:

Gooden
Ross

to the New Orleans Hornets for David West which would work because New Orleans is looking to save money. Mavericks trade:

West
Carroll
Williams

to Sacramento for Kevin Martin and Andres Nocioni which would work because Sacramento is looking for a low post scorer.

then the Mavericks could trade either Howard or Terry for a good center.

[mavsfan4lyfe201]

martin is my first pick id target in a trade for our SG. but iggy is right up there too..not sure anyone else that is attainable right now is at their level..

i think we need that SG before the C..granted we need both bad.

mavs are gonna have to lose some games before they make the trade..this road trip will hopefully turn into a new SG

[dalmations202]

Martin, IMO, doesn't play good enough D to make it to a championship level. Iggy can.

[mavsfan4lyfe201]

this is true, iggy is more complete. i think iggy may be harder to attain, the mavs dont wanna take on dalembert if it means getting iggy.

hopefully the game this weekend in philly stirs up some serious trade talk

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by mavsfan4lyfe201

this is true, iggy is more complete. i think iggy may be harder to attain, the mavs dont wanna take on dalembert if it means getting iggy.

hopefully the game this weekend in philly stirs up some serious trade talk

I'm seriously hoping this is not the case. If you could get the 6th/7th best SG (per hollinger) you do it on this team.

[mavsfan4lyfe201]

i think thats what the mavs front office feels..and its hard to take on dalemberts contract, hed be our center for the next 2 years following this one..and he really doesnt play hard most of the time.

the mavs dont wanna give up dampiers contract, we can use that money to land a FA this summer..

they wanna use josh, gooden, carroll..to land a SG..or so it looks like to me..

[Dirkenstien]

If it's true that the FO is hesitant to take on Iggy because of Dally's contract then I would be very upset. Not only is Dally serviceable, but we would be thin at the 5 after trading Damp. IMO, you have to make that trade and push to resign Damp in the off-season.

If you're going to compete for a championship then you need a stout front line. Who cares how much it cost, do whatever it takes to get the best team possible around Dirk now, while he's still in his prime.

[sefant77]

I cant believe our FO would be so stupid. Dalembert is an big expiring next year...

[Dirkenstien]

It may be that Philly is trying to unload Brand on us. That can make things little more difficult but I believe a deal can still be worked out.

If we're going to make a deal the sooner the better. More time to allow the team to gel, get over the anticipation of the trade deadline, and prepare for a championship run.

[jayC]

Martin and Tyreke hasn't worked so far for the kings. Howard would give the Kings cap relief

Kidd
Martin
Marion
Dirk
Dampier

that starting five would be good enough to win the title.

[alby]

We don't know how our front office thinks about Iguodala/Dalembert.

As a casual fan, I can tell you that Dalembert is more than capable of starting for a contending team. He has been playing very well as of late.

Brand, OTOH, I wouldn't be too thrilled about.

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ESPN has a rumor article in regards to Kevin Martin. Anyone with insider? Although Kevin Martin lacks the defensive skill/intensity/reputation that may catapult us into the next level, he has the quickness and ability to get to the FT line at the SG position we haven't had since Finley prime.

[sefant77]

Im pretty sure you have to take Nocioni too if u want Martin.

Im also worried about his defense and our perimeter defense. Because Martin-Terry together would be a disaster.

[mavsfan4lyfe201]

i would def take nocioni back if were getting martin. nocioni can be a solid tough player, and maybe hell be that player on a contender.

but i believe dalmberts contract runs out the year after next year, which is why the mavs arent interested.

they wanna make a great move and still be in good shape for next year is what it seems. basically they wanna keep dampiers expiring, which is smart.

they may have to unload more to try and win now, if they want to win THIS year.

this summers FA class is messin with their heads, cause you know we can land one of those big fish..pref joe johnson IMO.

[sefant77]

No, Dalembert has 1,5 years left, next season he is a big expiring.

[mavsfan4lyfe201]

wow. i guess the only bad thing about josh/damp for iggy/dalmbert is we wont be landing a big FA this summer..

but thats not a horrible deal to take back at all..

[Kidd Karma]

Basically Iggy for the Dust Chip. We still plug a 7 footer at center.

We roll with this bunch for 2 years. We use the MLE on maybe another big or a wing.

Kidd-Iggy-Marion-Dirk-Dalembert, very athletic, good sized lineup, I think in Iggy we're getting Howard in his hey day on a nightly basis. For the Dust Chip, I'd do it. It's not a sure thing Bosh, or JJ will come. We close the book on the Dust Chip by making this deal, I'm sure Philly will buyout Damp.....then boom 30 days later we get him back. I can't see Philly using the Dust Chip ala what Cuban had in mind. They gambled on Brand and it backfired, can't see them doing a long term deal for a few years or until the next regime takes over.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

Basically Iggy for the Dust Chip. We still plug a 7 footer at center.

We roll with this bunch for 2 years. We use the MLE on maybe another big or a wing.

Kidd-Iggy-Marion-Dirk-Dalembert, very athletic, good sized lineup, I think in Iggy we're getting Howard in his hey day on a nightly basis. For the Dust Chip, I'd do it. It's not a sure thing Bosh, or JJ will come. We close the book on the Dust Chip by making this deal, I'm sure Philly will buyout Damp.....then boom 30 days later we get him back. I can't see Philly using the Dust Chip ala what Cuban had in mind. They gambled on Brand and it backfired, can't see them doing a long term deal for a few years or until the next regime takes over.

The "DUST Chip" doesn't exist until this summer - anyone who takes on Damp has to pay him for the rest of this season (about $6mil at this point) before they can save any money by waiving him.

Damp ain't getting traded until the summer, plain & simple.

Q: Why do you call it “The DUST Chip’’?

A: It’s the invention of the Mavs front office, but our David Lord unraveled the mystery of it and gave it a cute nickname. D.U.S.T. Chip = “Damp Ultimate Sign-And-Trade’’ Chip. After July 10, 2010, a team can trade for Dampier (and give Dallas the ability to trade-match a salary up to $16.4475 million) ... and then that team can immediately release Dampier. They get the payroll, cap and perhaps the lux-tax relief without ever having to spend a dime for a contract that is on the books at $13 million.

Q: Does Dallas have to wait until July 10, 2010 to trade Dampier?

A: That’s the way to get the most value for him, because if you trade Damp today, he’s not really DUST; his contract doesn’t immediately “go away’’ until next summer. It is conceivable that Dallas could find a standout player to acquire before the February deadline and trade Damp for him at that time. The wisdom there would be to take a sure thing rather than to bet on who might be available in the summer. Of course, depending on who is acquired, that figures to leave this year’s Mavs without a center for the playoff run.

[SMC0007]

Ok, so apply this as you will:

I traded Josh for Kmartin on NBA2k.. and I don't know how we are gonna be able to make a shot with that awkward release if we really do end up with him, in real life.

Just saying

[REEKO_HTOWN]

http://kingsforum.net/?p=1068

According to sources close to both franchises, the Sacramento Kings declined a trade offer from the Dallas Mavericks that would have sent fan favorite Kevin Martin to Big D.

The Mavericks fully aware of the Kings desire to trade Andres Nocioni, apparently offered up Josh Howard, Drew Gooden (Hello, again) and J.J. Berea in exchange for Kevin Martin and Andres Nocioni.

In addition to the offer from Dallas, the Sacramento Bee reports that the Cleveland Cavaliers, Houston Rockets, Toronto Raptors, and Phoenix Suns are also keeping serious tabs on Martin who I’m told the Kings have very little interest in moving, especially at this time.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by REEKO_HTOWN

http://kingsforum.net/?p=1068

According to sources close to both franchises, the Sacramento Kings declined a trade offer from the Dallas Mavericks that would have sent fan favorite Kevin Martin to Big D.

The Mavericks fully aware of the Kings desire to trade Andres Nocioni, apparently offered up Josh Howard, Drew Gooden (Hello, again) and J.J. Berea in exchange for Kevin Martin and Andres Nocioni.

In addition to the offer from Dallas, the Sacramento Bee reports that the Cleveland Cavaliers, Houston Rockets, Toronto Raptors, and Phoenix Suns are also keeping serious tabs on Martin who I’m told the Kings have very little interest in moving, especially at this time.

Dang... If that doesn't get Martin. They probably aren't moving him.

[rabbitproof]

Ouch. The Maloofs aren't softballs.

Not sure we could whip up a better deal from a cap savings POV. You could sub in Robo for JJB.

Do they have players with worse contracts than Noc?

How far do you go?

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Do they have players with worse contracts than Noc?

Nope.

[Dirkenstien]

Yeah that stings. That's pretty much our best offer unless we're willing to give up Robo in place of JJB, which I probably wouldn't do at this point. Maybe try throwing in the rights to Calathes + cash as well? That's about the best we could do.

If they don't take this deal then we'll have to look elsewhere.

[dalger]

Yep. I wouldn't offer more than that for Martin. Sacrificing our backup center and point guard would considerably weaken our bench, even with Nocioni, if no other trade was done. And then there are still Martin's injury issues. Thanks, but no thanks.

Just another reason to try and go for Iguodala.

[mavsfan4lyfe201]

yeah the kings are gona give martin and evans a few more games it looks like..i dont know why its been 0-8 so far...

i got the mavs as a frontrunner to land him, though...from what i know they want him in a bad way.

cleveland and phx arent likely to land him i dont think..

i still prefer iggy, but right now i want either..and soon.. i hate watching phx beat us.

[quietsavant]

Mavs Looking hard at trade options
By Marc Stein
The Mavericks continue to evaluate their options in advance of the Feb. 18 trade deadline and continue to be regarded as one of the few “buyers” out there.

Which is another way of saying that Dallas is seen by other teams around the league as one of the few potential trade partners willing to take on some significant salary before the buzzer sounds.

Said one source with knowledge of the Mavs’ thinking: “They are looking hard.”

But they are also still strongly weighing whether it’s smarter to keep Josh Howard past the trading deadline. That would preserve the option to package Howard (who becomes an $11.8 million expiring contract for 2010-11 once his team option is picked up) with Erick Dampier (whose $13.1 million salary next season is fully unguaranteed) as a combo-pack of assets for an offseason trade splash.

The comments from Mavs owner Mark Cuban last weekend in New York seemed to indicate that hanging onto Howard -- even if it’s just for the long-shot possibility that Dallas could emerge as a sign-and-trade destination for one of this summer’s marquee free agents -- holds great appeal.

"You know, every team wants to get better,” Cuban told reporters Sunday. “And you look at the best guys in the league and you say, 'What gives me an opportunity to add them to my team?' Some people want cap room, some people think sign-and-trade. So it just depends. We'll see. You just never know. You never know.”

I took that as not-so-veiled backing of what we wrote back in November, when the Mavs were listed as No. 5 on a list of five teams most capable of landing LeBron for next season. Even if the odds of a sign-and-trade for someone from the LeBron/Chris Bosh stratosphere in July are small, Dallas will be undeniably tempted to preserve every possibility for a miracle, especially when you can legitimately question whether anyone it can acquire during the next three weeks can really close the gap between the Mavs and the mighty Lakers.

Dallas’ interest in Sacramento’s Kevin Martin was last week’s big trade topic, but the Kings keep saying that Martin is not available. And while Washington’s Caron Butler and Philadelphia’s Andre Iguodala are most certainly available, one plugged-in source insisted this week that the Mavs have real reservations about trading Howard for Butler and are hesitant regarding Iguodala as well largely because of the four years and $56 million left on the Philly swingman’s contract after this season.

The Mavs, remember, were reluctant back in November to take on the contract of Stephen Jackson, who wanted so badly to come to Dallas before Golden State traded him to Charlotte . . . and who would have been half as expensive as Iguodala.

The impact Jackson has had with the Bobcats actually leads you to wonder how much the Mavs now regret their refusal to gamble on Jackson, but recalling the reasons behind that reluctance helps explain why I’ve been advised more than once this week that Iguodala – as it stands with three weeks to go before the deadline – appears unlikely to be Dallas-bound.

Is there time for that stance to change?

Another pertinent question: Would Iguodala’s all-around game as a perimeter sidekick to Dirk Nowitzki – infused with the sort of defensive prowess Dallas has historically lacked -- move the Mavs close enough to the Lakers’ zip code to justify the expense? Some NBA personnel experts would say yes, but more would say no.

Which might only give Cuban more encouragement to hang onto to both of his biggest chips at this trading deadline and save his assets for the summer, knowing that any substantial deadline move would almost certainly require the inclusion of Howard.

"We always try to position ourselves to be opportunistic and we think we've got some scenarios that we can be that way," Cuban said Sunday. "So we'll see."

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...-trade-options