What are your thoughts on Illegal Immigration?

[LSMF]

What are your thoughts on Illegal Immigration? Do you think anything should be done about it? I think it's gotten so bad that we're literally being invaded at this point. Yet, it seems like there is nothing being done about it. Our borders are wide open and Border patrol agents aren't being allowed to do their jobs. I think this is insanity at this point. I was watching this debate between Bill O'Reilly (Who I disagree with on a lot of issues) and Kirsten Powers and I found myself agreeing with a lot of what Bill was saying. I can't believe that Powers actually seemed to be implying that we should just leave the borders open because many of the people who are coming in work very hard and are poor. I'm very sorry that they live in such terrible situations, I truly am. I'm sorry that they suffer and I understand many of them are trying to escape gangs and the Drug Cartels. However, there are people suffering and trying to escape gang warfare in this country as well. Look at Chicago, where many of those kids go to the Deli just to buy food for their families (With the little money they have) and many times those kids don't make it back home because they've been a victim of a drive-by shooting. Don't those people need our help? Don't the countless number of Americans in tough situations need our help? Folks, we are over a whopping 17 trillion dollars in debt. We have major issues in this country and us taking in a staggering amount of people only complicates things in a major way. Something else that really frustrates me is that even though this is a major problem, it seems many are frightened to even discuss it. Political correctness has hurt us because at times we can't speak on certain issues such as illegal immigration without being labeled as racists or other terms that are used to silence people. This is not an issue of racism but an issue that pertains to our country being radically changed right before our eyes. Please give me your thoughts.

Edit: This is the debate between O'Reilly and Powers - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-sgbvEGFaA

[Underdog]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=768h3Tz4Qik

[LSMF]

Originally Posted by Underdog

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=768h3Tz4Qik

What exactly is this supposed to prove?

[dude1394]

I think you should ask the American Indian how not controlling your border works out.

Our borders should be secured no matter how much money or how much fencing it takes. I opt for fencing as it doesn't politicians to make up their own rules.

[Jack.Kerr]

Originally Posted by dude1394

I think you should ask the American Indian how not controlling your border works out.

Or perhaps ask them why they didn't believe in "borders"?

Originally Posted by dude1394

Our borders should be secured no matter how much money or how much fencing it takes.

Said the man who owned a fencing company

Originally Posted by dude1394

I opt for fencing as it doesn't politicians to make up their own rules.

20-foot fence, 20-foot ladder.

In all sincerity, this is one of the least insightful, least perceptive, least informed perspectives I've ever read on D-M.com. And that's saying something.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

20-foot fence, 20-foot ladder.

Stupidest statement I've ever read. 11million 20 feet ladders, right.

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Mr. democrat here thinks things are just peachy-keen, except we should have open borders. We aren't bringing in enough dem votes.

Maybe it will all work out like it's working out in Europe.

Maybe they can all dress up as bin laden and cross. I've heard that isn't so tough.

[Jack.Kerr]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Mr. democrat here thinks things are just peachy-keen, except we should have open borders. We aren't bringing in enough dem votes.

Maybe it will all work out like it's working out in Europe.

Maybe they can all dress up as bin laden and cross. I've heard that isn't so tough.

Your knowledge of my politics (and voting record) seems to be surpassed only by your understanding of how ladders work.

But keep talking-- voices like yours will eventually starve the old Republican Party to insignificance, much like Alzheimer's and a 90-year old.

You're slipping, Dude. You can't even manage a worthy retort. Is your wheelchair brake on?

[MavsFTR]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Mr. democrat here thinks things are just peachy-keen, except we should have open borders. We aren't bringing in enough dem votes.

Maybe it will all work out like it's working out in Europe.

Maybe they can all dress up as bin laden and cross. I've heard that isn't so tough.

So are you against all immigration or illegal immigration?

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by MavsFTR

So are you against all immigration or illegal immigration?

F*ck immigrants... Send all of them and their offspring back to where they came from.

(get ready for an influx of emigrants, Europe!)

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by MavsFTR

So are you against all immigration or illegal immigration?

I am against illegal immigration, period. Saying we cannot stop it is a cop out and just political posturing, we can and should. I would like to limit unskilled immigration for a while as well. I see pretty bad signs in the country of assimilation not occurring. We've got, what 10-20 million illegals..they can stay as far as I'm concerned as long as the border is secured, if not, not. I would probably not allow them to ever vote however.

I'm not sold on h1b being increased with an unemployment rate as high as it has been, I've seen way too many high tech companies cherry pick lower wage employees this way.

I'm not even sure we need immigration "reform" at all. Just need the federal guvment to do their job and stop illegals from coming in.

[dude1394]

Wonder if he had a 20 ft ladder?

"The father of a man killed by an illegal immigrant in a car crash has challenged President Obama to visit his son’s grave before declaring any executive action halting deportations.

In a letter that Don Rosenberg sent last month to Mr. Obama through top officials at the Homeland Security Department, the grieving father said his son Drew might be alive had the federal government deported illegal immigrants who had run-ins with the law.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz3CEUJOxPE
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter"

[dude1394]

You really aren't worth the effort as you say nothing of interest.

[MavsFTR]

That you have no sense of humor.

Boo-yah.

[LSMF]

Originally Posted by MavsFTR

That you have no sense of humor.

Boo-yah.

If you think this is a laughing matter then the joke's on you.

[dude1394]

The correct approach by yourself is open borders. Sorry...can't buy into your little fantasy.

[Underdog]

Mexicans are very socially conservative on the whole... If the Republicans granted all illegals citizenship, the GOP would rule this country for decades.

But, you know, xenophobia.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Mexicans are very socially conservative on the whole... If the Republicans granted all illegals citizenship, the GOP would rule this country for decades.

But, you know, xenophobia.

I doubt it seriously. Only from democrats can not being on board with unlimited, illegal immigration do you become xenophobic.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by dude1394

I doubt it seriously. Only from democrats can not being on board with unlimited, illegal immigration do you become xenophobic.

Well, I'm not a Democrat... Your black & white worldview isn't doing you (or Team Red) any favors.

Also, which part of "grant illegals citizenship" did you get "unlimited illegal immigration" from??? You're not debating me, you're just reciting FOX News talking points.

If they're citizens, they can vote AND be taxed, therefore they're no longer a drain on the economy... But you'd have to break away from groupthink to come up with a sensible solution like that.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Well, I'm not a Democrat... Your black & white worldview isn't doing you (or Team Red) any favors.

Also, which part of "grant illegals citizenship" did you get "unlimited illegal immigration" from??? You're not debating me, you're just reciting FOX News talking points.

If they're citizens, they can vote AND be taxed, therefore they're no longer a drain on the economy... But you'd have to break away from groupthink to come up with a sensible solution like that.

Because the next amnesty you propose will be for 40 million illegals. It's not like you are proposing anything to stop or even slow it down. In fact you are just giving the rest of South America the go ahead.

And if you aren't a democrat you are doing a dang good impression. The absolute worst thing republicans ( and America )could do would be to pass amnesty without a solid border. Again I don't care if they are given amnesty, just cannot vote ( criminally here you know ) and there just be real border control.

How many times do I have to say on this dang board that I never watch fox. Don't read rush. These are not anyone's talking points but my own. In fact you may not be able to find a Fox News post from me on this board. If there are some they are miniscule.

Now you on the other hand are definitely reciting was wasserman-Schultz, democrat and nytimes talking points.

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by dude1394

I doubt it seriously. Only from democrats can not being on board with unlimited, illegal immigration do you become xenophobic.

No offense, but I've read this about a hundred times and I can't, for the life of me, figure out what the hell you're trying to say.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by spreedom

No offense, but I've read this about a hundred times and I can't, for the life of me, figure out what the hell you're trying to say.

According to democrats, if you do not support unlimited illegal immigration you are a xenophobe.

[ribosoma]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV7JILRugOg

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by ribosoma

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV7JILRugOg

Nice, my attention span challenged self will finish later. I quite sure this guy would be labeled a xenophobe.

Funny isn't it, the entire extent of liberal discussion and debate has degenerated into name calling and labeling.

[dude1394]

Nice...they come and do the jobs that Americans won't do.

"5 of the top ten FBI Top Ten Most Wanted:
Alex Flores - Honduras
Fidal Urbina - Mexico
Eduardo Ravelo - Mexican
Jose Manuel Garcia Guevara - Mexico
Victor Manuel Gerena - Puerto Rico
Check it out at www. fbi.gov/wanted/topten/
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[MavsFTR]

And the other 5?

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by MavsFTR

And the other 5?

The link is there, go look.

[MavsFTR]

I already glanced. I am asking you what is your take on the other half not being illegals/Latinos. Cos I don't get then how it is "jobs Americans won't do."

[MavsFTR]

It's always amusing when people resort to painting a whole group of people one color in an effort to justify their own agendas/bigotry.

[dude1394]

Well the jobs Americans won't do is a joke. But so is the statements that the only people illegally coming into to the country are hard working family types. The people who's lives were affected or ended by illegal aliens do not agree with you.

My other take away would be the percentages. Less than what 10% of the country is
Hispanic ( I really don't know the number, wikipedia says 17% ) but 50% on that list.

But anyone who isn't for open borders is labeled a Xenophobe( or just a blanket bigot from your biased perspective). Another pretty wide swath of labeling in action, larger than mine I would say.

[mcsluggo]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Well the jobs Americans won't do is a joke. But so is the statements that the only people illegally coming into to the country are hard working family types. The people who's lives were affected or ended by illegal aliens do not agree with you.

My other take away would be the percentages. Less than what 10% of the country is
Hispanic ( I really don't know the number, wikipedia says 17% ) but 50% on that list.

But anyone who isn't for open borders is labeled a Xenophobe( or just a blanket bigot from your biased perspective). Another pretty wide swath of labeling in action, larger than mine I would say.

I wouldn't use the broad brush to say that anyone that isn't for open borders is a xenophobe. On the other hand, It isn't much of a stretch to say that YOU are

[LSMF]

Barack Obama: "As commander-in-chief my highest priority is the security of the American people." Yet our borders are still being left wide open.

[dude1394]

Politics..or...safety of Americans..
Politics..or..safety of Americans..
Politics..or..safety of Americans.

What a shocker.

[LSMF]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvdwPWFHDBQ

[dude1394]

So wonderful...
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-T...ouston-Schools

"
HOUSTON, Texas -- A report obtained by Breitbart Texas from the Houston Independent School District (HISD) revealed the influx of unaccompanied minors over the summer from Central America lead to an increased enrollment of 3,000 students. The total student population for HISD is over 215,000 which represents the largest total enrollment for HISD since the 1970’s.
The total immigrant population for HISD currently sits at 8,409 students according to a memo written by HISD’s Government Relations Director Ashlea Graves. The memo was received by Breitbart Texas from a government source wishing to remain anonymous. Graves confirmed the authenticity of the memo in a phone conversation with Breitbart Texas.
Honduras, Mexico and El Salvador lead the list of 43 nations from around the globe with immigrant students enrolled in HISD. This immigrant enrollment includes legal and illegal immigrants and includes the 3,000 unaccompanied minors listed above according to Graves.
The charts shown below sumamarize HISD immigrant data as of an October 31, 2014 snapshot. For the purposes of this data chart, immigrant students are only considered during their first three years of enrollment of the district."

[SeanL]

Originally Posted by dude1394

So wonderful...
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-T...ouston-Schools

"
HOUSTON, Texas -- A report obtained by Breitbart Texas from the Houston Independent School District (HISD) revealed the influx of unaccompanied minors over the summer from Central America lead to an increased enrollment of 3,000 students. The total student population for HISD is over 215,000 which represents the largest total enrollment for HISD since the 1970’s.
The total immigrant population for HISD currently sits at 8,409 students according to a memo written by HISD’s Government Relations Director Ashlea Graves. The memo was received by Breitbart Texas from a government source wishing to remain anonymous. Graves confirmed the authenticity of the memo in a phone conversation with Breitbart Texas.
Honduras, Mexico and El Salvador lead the list of 43 nations from around the globe with immigrant students enrolled in HISD. This immigrant enrollment includes legal and illegal immigrants and includes the 3,000 unaccompanied minors listed above according to Graves.
The charts shown below sumamarize HISD immigrant data as of an October 31, 2014 snapshot. For the purposes of this data chart, immigrant students are only considered during their first three years of enrollment of the district."

I guess I fail to see why this is a bad thing.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by SeanL

I guess I fail to see why this is a bad thing.

Because our states are having to pick up the tab for your open borders policies.

[SeanL]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Because our states are having to pick up the tab for your open borders policies.

Actually illegal immigrants contribute more in taxes than they take back. The idea that they are leaches on society is pure racism and ignorance. It's a trope put out there by racists who don't want brown people to come into the country.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Myths_a....99t_pay_taxes

[LSMF]

So it wasn't "selfish" when these people broke into our country, but yet it is selfish for us to not accommodate them? *Sighs*

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...y-Work-Permits

[SeanL]

"illegal immigrants" actually contribute more to this country than the fat, out-of-work, angry white guys who watch Fox News all day. Can we get INS to deport those people?

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by SeanL

"illegal immigrants" actually contribute more to this country than the fat, out-of-work, angry white guys who watch Fox News all day. Can we get INS to deport those people?

Wow, what a bigot.

If you are an example of the illegal immigrants we can expect, no thanks.