Who Do You Like In The Draft?

[tap2390]

My favorite player for the Mavs is Tyus Jones. He's shooting up the charts for a good reason. Point guards with skills like him don't come around often. Think Nash, Paul, Kidd, Curry, etc. A team that works with him and gives him time for his body to catch up to his game is going to have an absolute stud. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go top 15.

Another young point I really like is Cameron Payne. He's been shooting up the charts recently, and like Tyus Jones has questions about his physical upside. I would be fine with either him or Tyus and definitely think there's a possibility one of those two falls to us as we're one of the few teams without a point guard.

Robert Upshaw would be a risk, but you could argue it's a risk we need to take. He's the HUGE, skilled big man who was dismissed by two college programs mid-season (drug use). When he does play, he scores in the paint and blocks a ridiculous amount of shots. I would only want him if Tyson is here.

Rondae Hollis-Jefferson (SF) is a fantastic defender with a broke jumper. Think Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. There is definitely a role for him in the league.

[bobatundi]

I think Tyus Jones is long gone by the time the Mavs pick. I'd love to see them get Justin Anderson, he'd be a great 3-and-D wing, tremendous athlete, nearly 7 foot wingspan, NBA-ready frame.

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by bobatundi

I think Tyus Jones is long gone by the time the Mavs pick. I'd love to see them get Justin Anderson, he'd be a great 3-and-D wing, tremendous athlete, nearly 7 foot wingspan, NBA-ready frame.

Got a scouting report for us? Nice call btw.

[GermanStandard]

So we will Pick #21

I think its pretty obvious that we will go for a PG/SG.
IF those we want arent available we will probably go for a PF and groom Dirks Replacement

Here are my favourites as of now on my big board

PG/SG

1. Tyus Jones -> clutch and the exact opposite of Rondo. Needs to bulk up.
2. Jerian Grant -> Great size and Defense. No real weakness.
3. Delon Wright -> monster upside but shitty college
4. Terry Rozier ->Volume Scorer, athlete but still raw

PF

1. Montrezl Harrell -> Mix of DeAndre Jordan and Blake Griffin
2. Kevon Looney -> Upside, Position flex, rebounding and defense
3. Bobby Portis -> Perfect Size. Good Shooter and overall game is nice. Needs to add Post Moves.
4. Jordan Mickey -> DeAndre Jordan and Anthony Davis Mix Light. Monster shot blocking and athleticsm. Elite Defender. Greatest Problem is his size at 6'8 (but 7'2 Wingspan)

[EricaLubarsky]

Hollis-Jefferson may fall to us. Love that guy's motor and he can defend/pass. Can't shoot yet, but he can learn and he's just a guy like Crowder/Faried type who can keep the ball moving while defending and rebounding hard.

Kaminsky - He'll probably drop into our range or perhaps even lower if we can trade for a 25-30th pick. Lots of people looking for one-in-a-million superstars, but Kaminsky will be a solid role player. Just fundamental and versatile. Raef LaFrentz with better footwork and height with a little Brook Lopez in him.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Hollis-Jefferson may fall to us. Love that guy's motor and he can defend/pass. Can't shoot yet, but he can learn and he's just a guy like Crowder/Faried type who can keep the ball moving while defending and rebounding hard.

Kaminsky - He'll probably drop into our range or perhaps even lower if we can trade for a 25-30th pick. Lots of people looking for one-in-a-million superstars, but Kaminsky will be a solid role player. Just fundamental and versatile. Raef LaFrentz with better footwork and height with a little Brook Lopez in him.

Kaminsky will be gone in the top 15 picks

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Kaminsky will be gone in the top 15 picks

Friendly wager?

[mavs777]

Guys that will be gone before we pick:
Karl Town
Jahlil Okafor
D'Angelo Russell
Emmanuel Muddiay
Justice Winslow
Mario Hezonja
Willie Cauley-Stein
Kristaps Porzingis
Stanley Johnson
Kelly Oubre
Frank Kaminsky
Myles Turner
Devon Booker
Sam Dekker
Trey Lyles


Who I like:
Tyus Jones PG - He's not going to be a star, but he can run a offense and is a very high level shooter, he'll struggle on defensive end.
Christian Wood PF- This is my favorite realistic target, oozes potential, he's very long and a very high level athlete, great shot blocker, decent rebounder, solid ball handling skills, finishes well though skinny, needs to put on weight and work on shot selection but he has a very high upside.
Jerian Grant PG- Very high level athlete, good playmaker, has a higher ceiling than tyus jones, can finish in traffic, good free throw rate, question is jump shot, also as a side weakness not a good rebounder
RJ Hunter SG- Has a good track record shooting so not too worried about slip in three point % this past year, capable playmaker and rebounder, decentish athlete, ideal size for 2, knows how to draw fouls

Who I'm meh on:
Bobby Portis PF- Great motor, good instinctual rebounder, but not overly skilled or athletic, ok to decent athlete
Cameron Payne- PG Overrated athlete, not sure he's really a PG, poor size, but a very high level shooter with a good wingspan.

Who I don't like:
Jarrell Martin PF : I don't understand why he is a projected first rounder by draft express
Justin Anderson SF: I enjoyed watching him at college but do not see him as a NBA talent, undersized, iffy ball handling skills, not laterally quick.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by mavs777

RJ Hunter SG- Has a good track record shooting so not too worried about slip in three point % this past year, capable playmaker and rebounder, decentish athlete, ideal size for 2, knows how to draw fouls

The more I watch his videos the more I see poor mans Klay Thompson, I think I might have even read someone else make that comparison elsewhere and now I can't help but see some similarities. He would need to improve his shot a lot to be near that level but just how he moves on the court as well as his length reminds me of Klay. He also has some crafty deceptive athleticism inside and with his length it's very parsons like to my eyes.

I personally like Hunter, Payne, Anderson, and Harrell. If we moved down I like Wright and Rozier.

[sefant77]

Screw the team needs, just get the BPA at this position

[EricaLubarsky]

Agreed. We are potentially in total rebuild other than Dirk and Parsons. Lots of moving pieces this summer with only Dirk, Parsons, and Felton under contract after this season. Get the best available guy who doesn't play SF and see where we are in free agency.

[rimrocker]

I'm wondering if we could move down a bit and pick up another early 2nd rounder.
Then take a chance on Upshaw.
Chandler would be the perfect mentor and the perfect age to groom the next big man. They could switch roles toward the end of Chandler's career.
Backup center was our biggest weakness last season imo and Chandler needs to play limited minutes. Upshaw has star potential and could benefit from Chandler's mentoring.

Ideally though I'd like to see us draft Grant at 21 and then Cuban buy a pick to get Upshaw in the late 20s.

Grant/Barea
Ellis/Harris
Parsons/Aminu
Dirk/Powell
Chandler/Upshaw

[BPo001]

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[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Michael Scotto: Source: Mavericks will work out Michael Frazier, Darrun Hilliard, Terran Petteway, Michael Qualls, Royce O'Neale and Denzel Livingston today Twitter @MikeAScotto - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.43kSrBOP.dpuf

All 6'4" to 6'6".

All can shoot the three at least 34%

We have a type, I suppose. Does that mean Ellis is gone, Ellis is becoming our PG, or are we just looking for a future SG who can shoot?

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

All 6'4" to 6'6".

All can shoot the three at least 34%

We have a type, I suppose. Does that mean Ellis is gone, Ellis is becoming our PG, or are we just looking for a future SG who can shoot?

IDK...these all seem to have Ager, Jones, and Cunningham written all over them.
Surely these are 2nd round and UFA targets.
The highest draftexpress rates any of them is 46 overall.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

IDK...these all seem to have Ager, Jones, and Cunningham written all over them.
Surely these are 2nd round and UFA targets.
The highest draftexpress rates any of them is 46 overall.

Well, we have the 52nd pick and we could be looking for another Marquis Daniels

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Well, we have the 52nd pick and we could be looking for another Marquis Daniels

Good point!
I'm wondering if Doron Lamb will get another good look from the Mavs...he seems to be in that category as well.

[mavs777]

Don't read too much into workouts, teams work out guys they know will get nothing more than summer league invites all the time

[saclare]

Qualls will more than likely be drafted. I'm hoping that's who we snag at 52nd overall.

[dirt_dobber]

interesting behind the scenes look at the Celtics draft processes.
They have 4 picks this year and as many as 8 in next years draft.
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celti...nsider-a-stash

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Mavs have no excuse to screw up this pick. There is a lot of talent available all the way up to late 20s and then some.

He has off court issues, but Upshaw would be an excellent Wright replacement. He is also the best shot blocker in the draft with a nice 7'4 wingspan. Plus, if centers like him pan out, then they have huge value like a Gobert.

[BigDog63]

Regardless of who we think the Mavs should pick, the FO has shown, over the years, how THEY will pick. Cuban feels that to build through the draft, you need to get 'lucky'. They pick players they think have the highest upside. I don't think they really factor draft choices into their projected team structure, so if they don't pan out, they don't see a big loss. The problem with this strategy is that any player with lots of 'upside' still left by the time the Mavs draft either has a low chance of every getting to that upside, or has some serious flaws in their game.

The reality is that the Mavs need to seriously upgrade their drafting. Not a single player left on the team that they ever drafted (James isn't necessarily on the team, and he was let go and came back). Look at Houston for an example of how drafting can pay off. You can either get some solid starters, or you get players that can be used in trades. Crowder is a good example of this...but pretty much the only one. I haven't seen stats on this, but I think there is a good chance the Mavs have the worst drafting history in the NBA over the last decade or so. That's one big reason why they have the roster turnover they do...no home grown talent that is being worked into the lineup.

Where does this leave them? PG is area of biggest need. Tyus Jones would be steadier, but Jerian Grant has the higher 'upside'. So, they'll likely go with Grant. Probably a good call...we have several decent PG's, with years of NBA experience, already on the roster. Mavs need someone who can elevate above that.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by BigDog63

Regardless of who we think the Mavs should pick, the FO has shown, over the years, how THEY will pick. Cuban feels that to build through the draft, you need to get 'lucky'. They pick players they think have the highest upside. I don't think they really factor draft choices into their projected team structure, so if they don't pan out, they don't see a big loss. The problem with this strategy is that any player with lots of 'upside' still left by the time the Mavs draft either has a low chance of every getting to that upside, or has some serious flaws in their game.

The reality is that the Mavs need to seriously upgrade their drafting. Not a single player left on the team that they ever drafted (James isn't necessarily on the team, and he was let go and came back). Look at Houston for an example of how drafting can pay off. You can either get some solid starters, or you get players that can be used in trades. Crowder is a good example of this...but pretty much the only one. I haven't seen stats on this, but I think there is a good chance the Mavs have the worst drafting history in the NBA over the last decade or so. That's one big reason why they have the roster turnover they do...no home grown talent that is being worked into the lineup.

Where does this leave them? PG is area of biggest need. Tyus Jones would be steadier, but Jerian Grant has the higher 'upside'. So, they'll likely go with Grant. Probably a good call...we have several decent PG's, with years of NBA experience, already on the roster. Mavs need someone who can elevate above that.

The thing with Grant is he can play right now at a high level and is older than jones, I like them both. It's a weird situation when you consider the freshman is the one that is steadier with lower upside. Grant is a dynamic pick n roll player, a good passer, very good athlete, ok shooter, he's long at 6'7 1/2. The thing with Grant is you look at his size, his athleticism, you think he should be a good defender but he isn't he really has a long way to go on that end but he definitely has potential on that end.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by BigDog63

Regardless of who we think the Mavs should pick, the FO has shown, over the years, how THEY will pick. Cuban feels that to build through the draft, you need to get 'lucky'. They pick players they think have the highest upside. I don't think they really factor draft choices into their projected team structure, so if they don't pan out, they don't see a big loss. The problem with this strategy is that any player with lots of 'upside' still left by the time the Mavs draft either has a low chance of every getting to that upside, or has some serious flaws in their game.

I dont think so...for years they ran after the "Wade light" SG in the draft and blew it...Ager, D. Jones, Cunningham...

[BigDog63]

Originally Posted by sefant77

I dont think so...for years they ran after the "Wade light" SG in the draft and blew it...Ager, D. Jones, Cunningham...

Exactly my point. They went after what they thought was higher upside, with terrible results. Much like Jerry Jones used to do...and with the same results.

[BPo001]

With Rajon Rondo on his way out of Dallas, there are whispers the Mavericks, with pick No. 21, have their sights set on Duke point guard Tyus Jones. Racine Journal-Times
Rumors tagsDallas Mavericks, Draft, Tyus Jones
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[MavzMan]

I don't know who the Mavs might draft but I just hope that actually keep the pick and develop him. Dramond Green just got a triple double and won a championship while being a 2nd round pick in 2012.

[EricaLubarsky]

Rumor that I just made up is that we're in love with someone who will be drafted 16-19. We'll try to trade up unsuccessfully, before deciding to trade the 21st pick to the Lakers for the 27th and 34th. Our backup guy won't be available at 27th, so we'll trade the 27th to Brooklyn for the 29th and 41st.

Then, we'll draft a bunch of guys with low ceilings and/or trade the second rounders for cash consideration or future seconds.

Please, please prove me wrong.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Rumor that I just made up is that we're in love with someone who will be drafted 16-19. We'll try to trade up unsuccessfully, before deciding to trade the 21st pick to the Lakers for the 27th and 34th. Our backup guy won't be available at 27th, so we'll trade the 27th to Brooklyn for the 29th and 41st.

Then, we'll draft a bunch of guys with low ceilings and/or trade the second rounders for cash consideration or future seconds.

Please, please prove me wrong.

Mark...is that you?

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Rumor that I just made up

Even this carries more weight than-

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Rumor that I just made up is that we're in love with someone who will be drafted 16-19. We'll try to trade up unsuccessfully, before deciding to trade the 21st pick to the Lakers for the 27th and 34th. Our backup guy won't be available at 27th, so we'll trade the 27th to Brooklyn for the 29th and 41st.

Then, we'll draft a bunch of guys with low ceilings and/or trade the second rounders for cash consideration or future seconds.

Please, please prove me wrong.

This made me laugh.... then cry.

[EricaLubarsky]

Edit: DP

[Robillion]

Interesting data..

Specifically, the model assesses the probability that a player’s early-career SPM will land him in each of four categories:

Superstar: We’re talking players like Anthony Davis here (about one of these per draft class).
Starter: This bucket includes solid players like Shane Battier and Kyle Lowry (about 10 per class).
Role player: These are the Jarrett Jacks and Tony Allens of the world (25 per class).
Bust: Hello, Michael Beasley! (This bucket consists of everyone not in the first three, including replacement-level players who will never actually appear in the NBA.)

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/.../?ex_cid=538fb

[Bryan_Wilson]

So according to this... 6'nothin Tyus Jones is possibly the "safest" pg in the entire draft? And not safe as in role player... safe as in not a bust and at the same time a starting caliber player? That doesn't change the fact that his small frame and underwhelming quickness and athleticism as a whole scares the crap out of me if he were our pick. If he was coming out 10 years ago he would be a no brainer to me. I'm worried he isn't quick enough for the pg's in today's NBA though. I will say that one of the things you can't overlook is if a guy has "it" and he seems to have "it". The Mavs fan in me is really tired of undersized guards. The Basketball fan in me can't help but think he's just one of those guys who just flat out wins. I like him 1000 times more than I liked Larkin coming out.

[Robillion]

I'm willing to bet that Tyus Jones will not be available at 21. He'll be picked by Houston(of all f'n teams) at 18.

[BPo001]

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[GermanStandard]

The more tape i watch the more i think Hollis-Jefferson is the perfect pick.

Absolute elite Defender. He takes great pride in defending. Reminds me of a young Bruce Bowen. With our biggest weakness (especially perimeter D) being his biggest strenghts i wouldnt miss on this one.

We may need to move up though.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by GermanStandard

The more tape i watch the more i think Hollis-Jefferson is the perfect pick.

Absolute elite Defender. He takes great pride in defending. Reminds me of a young Bruce Bowen. With our biggest weakness (especially perimeter D) being his biggest strenghts i wouldnt miss on this one.

We may need to move up though.

I'd bet $10 that he's gone before 15, but I agree-- he'd be a fantastic fit. I watched him a lot out here in Arizona and I like his game a lot.Just tons of motor and plays like a more talented Jae Crowder

[Bryan_Wilson]

Chad Ford and Jay Bilas did a joint mock via twitter-

https://twitter.com/THEaaronHOFF/sta...038849/photo/1

-unrelated note- Chad Ford and Jay Bilas never stopped eating paste as kids.

X-mas has come early for the Lakers as they have Towns fall in their laps, oh but that's not enough to get the Lakers back on track so Delon Wright also falls right to them. Questions surrounding Cavs future with Love? Well it's a good thing Portis just happens to fall right to them. He can go anywhere starting at 11 with the Pacers but he will slide all the way to 24, that's convenient. I have so many issues with this mock...

I like Anderson... but if Portis is there at the mavs pick, especially if those top pg's are gone... and my choices are Tyus Jones, Justin Anderson Delon Wright, Or Bobby Portis... Maybe I just like Portis more than most or something but he's skilled and has the frame to be versatile to guard inside and out... in today's NBA those don't grow on trees. Picking a 3 and D guy over that would have me tearing my remaining hair out, and I'm one of the people who like Anderson.

[EricaLubarsky]

Portis is basically Brandan Wright, so of course I'd love him, but it may not be our highest need.

Rondae H-J and Justin Anderson would be my to two target.