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Old 02-04-2005, 06:43 PM   #41
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Is this vinnie in drag??

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“The inked fingers was disgusting,” Air America radio talk show host Janeane Garofalo declared on MSNBC in denouncing Republican lawmakers who, before and after the State of the Union, showed off an inked finger meant to demonstrate solidarity with Iraqi voters who dipped a finger in ink when they voted. To mock the display, Garofalo held up her hand in a Nazi salute as she predicted: “The inked fingers and the position of them, which is gonna be a Daily Show photo already, of them signaling in this manner [Nazi salute], as if they have solidarity with the Iraqis who braved physical threats against their lives to vote as if somehow these inked-fingered Republicans have something to do with that.”
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Old 02-05-2005, 05:01 PM   #42
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A few more stats that vinnie/reeds really don't want to acknowledge..

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January 1997:

Unemployment rate among African-Americans = 10.8.
Unemployment rate among Latinos = 8.3.

On the other hand, there’s this:

January 2005:

Unemployment rate among African-Americans = 10.6.
Unemployment rate among Latinos = 6.1.

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Old 02-05-2005, 05:34 PM   #43
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This commentator gets it.

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Underestimating Iraqi Will
By BETSY HART
Feb 5, 2005, 09:55


Wow - do I stand corrected.

As I watched news reports of the jubilant and incredibly brave voters going to the polls in Iraq on Sunday, I confess I was stunned.

I told a public audience not too long ago that I had huge questions about the upcoming election in Iraq and whether Iraqis were even interested in democracy - that maybe we in the United States were trying to push onto them something they couldn't, perhaps didn't even want to handle.

I thought the war in Iraq was, regrettably, something that had to be done. I was less compelled by the argument about the danger of weapons of mass destruction (though of course I believed reports of their existence) than I was by the need to enforce the surrender terms of the first Gulf War. I thought the principle of letting those go un-enforced for so long was a dangerous show of weakness on the part of the United States.

In any event, I was never compelled by arguments for the democratization of Iraq. It's not that I didn't think it would be great if it happened - I just thought it was sort of pie-in-the-sky thinking to hope it would happen. I figured that the best-case scenario would probably be some sort of stable, relatively Western-friendly regime there.

I was, well, cynical.

I believed tyranny to be the natural state of man, and democracy to be a really unusual aberration. I thought the terrorists would "win" and scare people away from the polls. People who, I thought, probably weren't that interested in voting anyway.

Bottom line - I also believed the press reports out of Iraq that suggested exactly that.

And then I watched the news reports of all those jubilant Iraqis, risking their lives in overwhelming numbers to vote. Giving their names to the poll watchers, knowing that could put a big bull's-eye on them for the terrorists. There they were, standing in front of television news cameras, showing us their proud faces. Exhibiting their ink-stained forefingers to show they had cast a ballot.

Talk about being "marked."

I heard news stories of women in their veils, standing in line to vote, listening to bombs going off down the street, praying that it wouldn't happen to them - but still patiently waiting to cast ballots. Would I be so brave? Um, no.

The Iraqi people showed such incredible guts in what they did and such happiness and thankfulness in doing it. They proved the world wrong.

They proved me wrong.

I know, I know. Iraq is not a secure democracy yet. But after seeing the bravery and the joy in freedom of so many of its people, even if Iraqi democracy doesn't look exactly like Western democracies, can we now doubt it's going to happen there?

On Sunday the Iraqi people gave America the biggest "thank you" in the best way we could have hoped for.

I still think that tyranny is the "natural" state of man in a fallen world. That's certainly the lesson of history. But I also think that democracy, and the hope of freedom, is more powerful in the human spirit than I ever realized _ sort of like even a small ray of light is more powerful than the depth of darkness around it, and cuts through it with its brightness.

American so-called leaders like John Kerry and Ted Kennedy, who immediately and publicly undermined the importance of what the Iraqi people had done, should be ashamed of themselves. The election in Iraq should have been a cause of national celebration in the United States, too _ even for liberal Democrats. (Some Democrats, like Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, rightly spoke proudly about what the Iraqis had done.)

In the process, we also have to celebrate President Bush for this triumph, whatever one might think of his military objectives in Iraq. For while people like me pooh-poohed his democratic agenda there, he had the vision to see it through, to give the Iraqis a chance. When the whole world was encouraging Bush to reschedule elections because of terrorist activity _ which would have handed the terrorists a huge win _ Bush said no, the best way to beat the terrorists was to hold the elections. He was so right.

(Dozens of brave Iraqis did die in terrorist attacks on Election Day. They are patriots. And for the many American soldiers who have fallen there, our gratitude can never match what they did.)

But once again, Bush was "misunderestimated."

So were the Iraqi people and so was democracy by so many people _ including me. I am delighted to stand so corrected.

(Betsy Hart, a frequent commentator on CNN and the Fox News Channel, can be reached by e-mail at mailtohart(at)aol.com.)
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A few more stats that vinnie/reeds really don't want to acknowledge..

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January 1997:

Unemployment rate among African-Americans = 10.8.
Unemployment rate among Latinos = 8.3.

On the other hand, there’s this:

January 2005:

Unemployment rate among African-Americans = 10.6.
Unemployment rate among Latinos = 6.1.
where to start....
the total population of black americans has increased by over 10% in the last decade, yet there are less black americans employed today than when Bush took office.
their participation rate has decreased. the number unemployed has increased, and (most directly contradicting the stat you mention above) the number not in the labor force has increased.

makes that "unemployment rate among african -americans" cited very hollow.

I think a look at the hispanic stats might be in order...


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Old 02-08-2005, 12:35 PM   #45
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I have no idea what the population of a race has to do with their unemployment RATE. So I "guess" you are refuting these numbers without a link of course.

There is only one thing to say..

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I have no idea what the population of a race has to do with their unemployment RATE. So I "guess" you are refuting these numbers without a link of course.

There is only one thing to say..

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If you have "no idea" maybe you should learn more...

The links are above, so if you believe that the stats aid you in the defense of Bush's record of improving the economic situation of black americans show them.

As I pointed out the stats do not support your assertion, in fact they show a negative trend among black americans. Fewer employed, more who have given up looking for employment, lower participation.

The average black american has NOT improved in their economic status under the Bush Administration.

THAT is the "scoreboard" dude. and its not very pretty for black americans.
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I just got a raise at work. Thank you 'Dubya'.
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WOW. Lets see, I beleive I have received around a 4-5% raise every year I have been employed (promotions excluded)...I guess I have to start thanking all the Presidents since Ronny...

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I just got a raise at work. Thank you 'Dubya'.
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WOW. Lets see, I beleive I have received around a 4-5% raise every year I have been employed (promotions excluded)...I guess I have to start thanking all the Presidents since Ronny...
Reeds- it's nice that you realize that Reagan's efforts and fiscal prowess have turned you to a road of good fortune. Good job.
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