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Speedy · 06-07-2005, 01:05 PM

Damp to Mem for L. Wright/#19

Bradley to Utah for one of their 2nd rounders

TAW/DJ/2nd from Utah/3 mil cash to NO for PJ Brown

Would you rather have PJ Brown/L. Wright/#19 or Damp/Bradley/DJ? Assuming those trades could be made.

Dalhoop · 06-07-2005, 01:19 PM

TAW works straight up with PJ Brown (with the buy out), I would do that yesterday. With DJ part of the deal, i'm not so sure, trading youth for age does not always workout.

Dampier for Wright and 19th pick, don't think I would do that. Mavs have had centers of "slight build" in the past and it did not work. I'll keep Damps big body.

Bradley for a second round pick. Bradley is worth more then that, just not on this team.

Dalhoop · 06-07-2005, 01:22 PM

Forgot to answer the second question. I would rather have Dampier/Swift/DJ, or Maglorie/Swift. PJ is a good player but age is going to catch up sooner rater then later.

bo319 · 06-07-2005, 02:28 PM

1) NO!
2)I'm fine with this but Sloan aint taking Bradley even if he is from Utah. If Bradley goes anywhere (to which I am not opposed) then I expect it will be East.
3)Not sure I'd do this...depends on how much you think Benga has and how much PJ has left. TAW is no issue either way...he is toast soon enough.

grndmstr_c · 06-07-2005, 02:41 PM

1) Depends on who's available at 19.
2) Depends on who we can get to fill out the rotation at the 5. Even as an emergency player only Shawn's worth more than a second rounder to a contending team like the Mavs.
3) That's way too much to give up for PJ, who's very much on the downside of his career and has a crappy contract. If we can't find anything better to fill out the frontcourt NO can have TAW and that's it.

dalmations202 · 06-07-2005, 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by: grndmstr_c
1) Depends on who's available at 19.
2) Depends on who we can get to fill out the rotation at the 5. Even as an emergency player only Shawn's worth more than a second rounder to a contending team like the Mavs.
3) That's way too much to give up for PJ, who's very much on the downside of his career and has a crappy contract. If we can't find anything better to fill out the frontcourt NO can have TAW and that's it.

I think you hit the nail on the head here.

LRB · 06-07-2005, 03:31 PM

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Would you rather have PJ Brown/L. Wright/#19 or Damp/Bradley/DJ? Assuming those trades could be made.

Damp/Bradley/DJ

Speedy · 06-07-2005, 03:49 PM

1) I think Damp is better as a true center for this team right now. However, my concern is his production down the line in relation to his contract. Wright's deal is expiring and he puts up decent numbers. GMC is correct, the Mavs would have to have someone targeted at 19.

2) I like Bradley, but if center friendly Avery won't use him in critical playoff games with Damp on the bench then what does that say to other teams around the league? With Utah having multiple picks and being under the cap, I think it might be a good fit.

3)I would like to keep DJ as well. I was just thinking along the lines of what the Mavs gave up for DA. PJ has two years left on his contract. Not a pretty contract by any means, but I would be more comfortable with PJ at two years than with Damp at six.

My wording in this post and my first post could be better. What I want to ask is does everyone feel comfortable with Damp/Bradley in relation to their contracts/production/how they are used or would you make this trade in order to shorten some contracts and provide some short term solutions at center with the hope that one of the young guys or a pick develops in a couple of years?

dalmations202 · 06-07-2005, 04:21 PM

I would be looking to upgrade the center position yes. Would I do "these" trades in their entirity -- probably not.

Most of it depends on the direction that they decide with Dirk. Is he going to be Tim Duncan role -- if so, they need one style center. Is he going to be a Chris Webber role-- if so, they need a different style center. Is he going to be an Amare type role -- then they need another style center.

I don't know exactly what direction they are going to go, in respects to how they are going to use Dirk. Without that, I don't know how you decide what kind of center you really need.

If they go to a more running and passing style offense (Detroit like), then I hope they get a more athletic center. If they want to slow it down, then maybe Damp is the best you are going to get (Shaq and Yao unavailable), but Dirk is going to have to become a more inside force like TD.

Dalhoop · 06-07-2005, 04:39 PM

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My wording in this post and my first post could be better. What I want to ask is does everyone feel comfortable with Damp/Bradley in relation to their contracts/production/how they are used or would you make this trade in order to shorten some contracts and provide some short term solutions at center with the hope that one of the young guys or a pick develops in a couple of years?

That Bradley was not used against one of the strongest most active big man in the league does not surprise me, he was effective against Yao. It is not his fault that he cant guard T-Mac, Carter, or any other poster person, maybe if the person guarding those guys would stop waving at them as they drive to the lane then ......sorry.

The Mavs don't need big numbers from the center position. 10/10/2 at center with a big body is really all we do need, and we have that. The 10+ years of searching for a big body at center is over, we don't need Shaq (indeed, he would take too many shoots from his teammates). Bradley as a backup center is PERFECT. He comes in, alters shots, and doesn't complain about minutes (all this for a low price by today's standards).

Like it or not, the Mavs signed Dampier to a long contract. Right now it looks to be a dangerous contract, but at the time Bradley's new contract looked to be insane 5 years ago. Foyal (spelling?) was signed to a 10 million a year contract last summer, history tells us that salaries go up, not down. Who is to say that 5 years from now Dampier's contract would not be a bargain for a big bodies center? Foyal's contract makes Bradley's 5M a year look like a master stroke.

chumdawg · 06-07-2005, 04:57 PM

Foyle is not making that much. He's not even making Dampier money.

The Miles · 06-07-2005, 07:18 PM

I like the idea of bringing Foyle in here to backup Dampier. They know each other, they have worked together before, and Foyle brings you a good 5 boards and 2 blocks, solid play, doesn't make mistakes, etc...off of the bench.

Dalhoop · 06-07-2005, 07:48 PM

Foyle (thanks for the spelling correction) gets 52M for 6 yrs, Dampier gets 73M for 7 yrs. (average 8.6 to 10.3). Compare that to Bradley's 35M for 7 yrs (average 5M) and you see what a bargain Bradley is, even as a backup. Bradley's contract was supposed to be a killer 5-6 yrs ago, now it looks great. My point is that Dampier's contract may be the same way 4-5 years down the road, a killer now but great looking in a few years.

The Miles · 06-07-2005, 08:18 PM

Both Foyle and Dampier have team options at the end, so they have 4 and 5 years left respectively.

grndmstr_c · 06-07-2005, 08:33 PM

Damp's last year is non-guaranteed, as I understand it. But with his age/injury history, I expect that'll end up working out as if it were a team option.