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Old 01-28-2010, 11:35 AM   #1
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Default Lebron James ... what are the chances?

You know Mark Cuban is thinking about it. What do YOU think about it? What chance, if any, do you believe we have in wooing Lebron James to Dallas via sign and trade this off-season?

Here's what we have going for us:

1) We will have the pieces to set up a S&T, meaning he will get maximum money. We're also in the West and if Cleveland does S&T him, they will definitely want to work a deal with a team in the West.

2) We're a championship contending team in a good market.

3) We have the all-star game in Dallas coming up which may show some of the perks of living in the Dallas area.

4) We have a billionaire owner with a win-first mentality who will pamper him and do everything possible to help Lebron reach his financial goal of one day becoming a billionaire.

5) We have Jason Kidd who Lebron loves and has wanted to play with for a long time.

6) We have an awesome and selfless superstar in Dirk to pair him with who will compliment his style of play absolutely perfectly.

7) We have a tremendous expiring in the DUST chip, some talented pieces to throw back in Marion or whoever we hopefully trade Howard for (Martin / Iggy / Butler) and we have some nice prospects in Roddy B and Calathes. We also have cash and future picks we could throw in.
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Cleveland aside, we have as good a chance as any other team out there. The city of Dallas doesn't live up to New York's hype, but we easily have the best talent (Dirk/Kidd) out of all the teams who can afford LeBron. If he's serious about winning a ring, Dallas could be his best opportunity.
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As of this point it is purely hypothetical but I wonder if:

Damp (expiring)
Iggy / Martin ( young talent)
Robo + Calathes (prospects)
2 future 1st rounders (picks)
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Lebron
+ any matching bad contracts they want to unload would be sufficient?

We could then use the MLE to sign back Damp and another player or possibly pick up Shaq? Resign some guys and depth chart would possibly look something like this:

Shaq? / Damp / Gooden
Dirk / Gooden / Najera
Marion / Singleton
Lebron / Terry / Ross
Kidd / JJB
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.1% chance. Kind of like getting pregnant on the pill. Sure it could happen but safe money would be on one of the other girls not on the pill.

Does that make sense? Probably not. Either way, I don't see it happening.
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The thing I wonder most about is Cleveland's willingness to do a S&T should Lebron tell them he'd like to leave.

Will they try to force his hand and give him an ultimatum of you either sign here for max money or elsewhere for less, knowing that if he does sign somewhere else it will most likely be in the East? (Miami, New York, New Jersey)

Or will they try to get as much back for him as possible and look at S&T's where they could place him out in the Western Conference?

I'd think they'd prefer the S&T option which would set us up really nice for a legitimate shot at him. They'd get talent, prospects, and major cap relief which would help them start building another competitive team. No one else has anything like the DUST chip that I'm aware of, and keep in mind, it would have to be somewhere he would actually want to go, a competitive championship contending team. Not many teams can do S&T's without significantly gutting their talent. Cleveland won't take back any bad contracts either. I think this gives us a very big advantage.
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I think Lebron either:
1)stays in Cleveland (it is his hometown team afterall)
2)Goes to NY or NJ for the bigger endorsement paydays and savior status of basketball Mecca

The only other place I think his ego could reside is LA...but he will not be a Clipper or Laker and share the Staples Center with Kobe.
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Lebron won't be winning for a while if he goes the NY or NJ route. He'll also be making less money on the contract since I'm positive Cleveland will not S&T him to an Eastern team. He'll make some money in endorsements, but is it worth sacrificing winning? Something tells me he'll have no problem landing endorsements anywhere he goes.

The Lakers I believe could pose legitimate competition to land Lebron in a S&T. They have sufficient, if not better, assets than the Mavericks to give up. They could gut some of their talent and still be extremely competitive (Bynum or Gasol would undoubtedly have to be a part of the deal), and they have the location and winning atmosphere in their favor. But like you said, does Lebron want to share the same arena / same spotlight as Kobe? Can those two dominant and high ego wing players coexist? Will their styles of play compliment each other?
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As of this point it is purely hypothetical but I wonder if:

Damp (expiring)
Iggy / Martin ( young talent)
Robo + Calathes (prospects)
2 future 1st rounders (picks)
+Cash

for

Lebron
+ any matching bad contracts they want to unload would be sufficient?

We could then use the MLE to sign back Damp and another player or possibly pick up Shaq? Resign some guys and depth chart would possibly look something like this:

Shaq? / Damp / Gooden
Dirk / Gooden / Najera
Marion / Singleton
Lebron / Terry / Ross
Kidd / JJB

Wow no way we have to give up that much to get Lebron. Cleveland has no leverage here, if Lebron says "I want to go to Dallas, trade me" then Cle basically has to get whatever they can for him. This isn't some highest bidder thing, Lebron is making the decisions.
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In Texas, they have a saying: go big or go home.

For instance, the Dallas Mavericks are hosting February's NBA All-Star game, which means a record hundred thousand hoop fans taking in the action at billion dollar Cowboy Stadium.

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In the Lone Star State, everything, from souped-up trucks to suburban homes, is overstated. And nothing is subtle or left to the imagination. Well, almost nothing.

Quietly, the Mavericks have positioned themselves to be a factor in 'The Great Free Agent Chase of 2010'. Mark Cuban - the team's high profile owner, who never met a headline, reality show, or Dairy Queen he didn't like- has flown under the radar and could sign Chris Bosh, LeBron James, or Dwyane Wade.

Of course, New York's bright lights, New Jersey's rich owner, and Miami's sunny beaches will appeal to top talent, but Dallas, for several reasons, could be the surprise winner in free agency. Here's why:

The money is there. Currently, they have $70 million in committed salary for 2010-11; however, the team holds options on Jose Barea ($2 million) and Josh Howard ($11 million). The final $13 million of Erick Dampier's contract only becomes guaranteed if he hits unrealistic targets like making the All-Star team.

So the Mavericks could shed $25 million off the books, creating room to tender a $15-17 million max' contract. This would also leave money to fill out the roster with free agents.

Bosh, Cuban, James, and Wade are about one thing: winning. All are alpha males. All want to compete year-in, year-out for an NBA Title. And the former Dancing With The Stars contestant can point to his annual multi-million dollar luxury tax payment as proof he'll spend to win.

Right now, the Mavericks hold the fourth best record in the entire NBA. There's heaps of individual talent, too: Dirk Nowitzki, a former MVP, remains a terrific first option on offense; Jason Kidd, the future Hall of Famer, still sets the table for teammates; Shawn Marion forces the tempo with his legs; and Jason Terry, a perennial Sixth Man of the Year candidate, is a superb piece off the bench.

Now add Bosh down low. Or James' all-around brilliance and athleticism. Or Wade's scoring and aerial antics. Suddenly, the Mavericks would have as much talent as any team in the league and, with Coach Rick Carlisle's get-stops system in place, could give the Los Angeles Lakers a serious run for the Western Conference crown.

The Mavericks have everything in place to 'go big' and sign Bosh, James, or Wade when the free agent bonanza begins in July. The only surprise is how they're doing it: quietly.

Got thoughts on Dallas' chances of signing Bosh, James, or Wade? Get at us in the comment box and follow Oly's Breaking Down The NBA Blog on HoopsVibe. Photo courtesy of nero88.
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Ha! What a coincidence! Although the approach in the article is different and I don't believe as plausible.

I'm less likely to believe we could sign a superstar straight up due to the fact the next CBA may very well be featuring significant pay cuts and players will be looking to lock in while they can. A S&T is much more likely since they could milk that max contract for all it's worth.

Anyone know what the projected cap is for next season?
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Anyone know what the projected cap is for next season?
It's actually projected to be $5-8mil LESS next season.

2010 cap may limit signings
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Wow no way we have to give up that much to get Lebron. Cleveland has no leverage here, if Lebron says "I want to go to Dallas, trade me" then Cle basically has to get whatever they can for him. This isn't some highest bidder thing, Lebron is making the decisions.
Actually Cleveland does have some leverage. They know Lebron wants max money, they know the Dallas Mavericks want Lebron, and they know they hold the keys to getting a deal done, granted they get enough back in return to help them and more importantly their fans move forward. This is the best player in the league after all. Lebron will have several able suitors competing to land him so we won't be the only runner in this race. We'll need to bring the best deal we have to the table.
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It's actually projected to be $5-8mil LESS next season.

2010 cap may limit signings
Yeah, so even assuming a best case scenario where the cap stays the same next season at $58.6 mil, that would only leave enough room to offer a contract starting out at $13.6 mil. Lebron is currently making $15.8 million this season, meaning he would have to take a pay cut (not happening).

If the cap does indeed drop, let's day 5 mil, the only way we could sign Lebron straight up would be for Dirk to take a severe pay cut in the prime of his career, about $10 mil approximately. I don't see that happening either.

Which brings us back to the S&T.


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I was just checking salary info and it looks like that $70 mil figure that the reporter used is off. She may have used the salary figure off of Hoopshype which lists it at $70 but that means $70 mil only in committed salary, not team option player salary. They don't have Damp listed as a team option even though he will be but that figure is already deducting Howard's and Barea's expiring contracts meaning we would only have Damp's contract left to cut from that number at 13 mil and would bring us down to around 57 which will most likely still be over the cap. There's absolutely no way we can sign a max level player, even if Dirk took a $10 mil pay cut the most we could offer would be around $6-8 mil. Our only option is S&T.
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Articles about signing Sammy with capspace are BS.

Its dust or nothing.

It all depends on Lebron. If he wanna play in Dallas, he gonna play in Dallas. He just need to want it

Then we make easily a S&T with the Cavs for Damp and some crap, so the Cavs can ship at least in the west when he clearly tells them he gonna leave Cleveland anyway.
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I'm around this number too. I say about a 5% chance.
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I'm around this number too. I say about a 5% chance.
I'm gonna give Mark Cuban more credit than that - based on the imaginary numbers, I'd say we have at least a 6.3% chance!


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Actually Cleveland does have some leverage. They know Lebron wants max money, they know the Dallas Mavericks want Lebron, and they know they hold the keys to getting a deal done, granted they get enough back in return to help them and more importantly their fans move forward. This is the best player in the league after all. Lebron will have several able suitors competing to land him so we won't be the only runner in this race. We'll need to bring the best deal we have to the table.
Ya but Lebron is going to decide where he goes, I think. I don't think he will narrow it down and let 2-3 teams have a bidding war. He wont want that anyway. He doesnt want the team he goes to to be hurt by trade. Cle will be happy to get anything for lebron so Damp+cheap talent will be enough.
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Percentages aside, I'm interested in hearing thought's on what yall think Cleveland management will do. Do you think they'll be inclinded to work out a S&T or would that create a PR nightmare?

If he does want a S&T, who else would we be competing with and what do they have to offer?
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Odds of Dallas getting LBJ w/o giving up Dirk or JKidd.

Slim, None, Astronomical, Statistically impossible, won't happen, no way, nope, negative, and I seriously doubt it.
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Percentages aside, I'm interested in hearing thought's on what yall think Cleveland management will do. Do you think they'll be inclinded to work out a S&T or would that create a PR nightmare?

If he does want a S&T, who else would we be competing with and what do they have to offer?
Seriously, it all comes down to LeBron. If he says he wants to leave then I'm sure the Cavs will do everything they can to help him and themselves. So a S&T would not only have to be to somewhere 'Bron wants to go but the Cavs will want something in return.

Places I think he would want to go, for different reasons:
Miami - Possibly play with Wade, large market, etc.
Dallas - Play with Kidd, large market, annual contender, he's a Cowboys fan
NY - Really large market, he's a Yankee fan
NJ - Will be a larger market, new rich owner
LA - Large market
Clev - Home

Teams that would have something better to offer the Cavs than the Mavs:
NJ - Could part with a young talent, ECs, and fork over picks and cash

Of course this is just my opinion. I haven't heard one way or another. If I had to bet I would bet on him staying in Cleveland.
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After I wrote this I looked to see if anyone else had wrote about it and found this article by Stein that you may or may not have see already:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...dime-091107-08
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i gotta agree..its gonna be whatever lebron wants to do..hell get the most money in nyc due to endorsements..but cuban will pay him whatever he wants..

the jason kidd aspect does help, and our guys are in win now mode so..thats ideal. i think wed have as good of a chance as anyone..

but hell resign if cleveland wins the title this year..

kidd lebron dirk is really..insane..hard to believe it could happen now that i picture it.
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How about this scenario--and I'll admit, it's far-fetched.

Mavs don't pick up options on Josh, JJ, or Damp. Dirk opts out. Najera is waived or bought out, and Quinton Ross doesn't exercise his player option. Mavs salary commitments are then at $34 million for next year--so, depending on the cap, somewhere in the neighborhood of $18 million in cap room, enough to make a max offer (and let's not forget, with no state income tax, a Dallas max offer is worth more than a NY max offer).

So the Mavs make a max offer, to say Lebron or Wade or Bosh, and that player is willing to accept it. One of two things can happen--either the player signs outright, or the Mavs have more leverage to force a S&T (perhaps for Josh & Damp & JJ) so the other team doesn't end up with nothing.

If the other team plays ball, then we get our Sammy Superstar, and re-up Dirk for the max. If they don't, we give Dirk a one-year deal for either the minimum or whatever cap room is left. Then, NEXT offseason, Dirk is a free agent again, and we use Bird rights to give him a max deal.

This would obviously require a big sacrifice on Dirk's part, if it were to work out that we actually used the cap room to sign someone else--but I bet he'd be willing to do that for the organization, and you know Cuban would take care of Dirk no matter what happened.

Let's say it's Bosh. We'd have a lineup of Kidd, Terry, Marion, Dirk, Bosh, with Beabois as our 6th man, the MLE to acquire another veteran presence in the frontcourt (bring Damp or Gooden back?), and fill out the roster with minimum salary guys like Tim Thomas & Quinton Ross.
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The Mavericks continue to evaluate their options in advance of the Feb. 18 trade deadline and continue to be regarded as one of the few “buyers” out there.

Which is another way of saying that Dallas is seen by other teams around the league as one of the few potential trade partners willing to take on some significant salary before the buzzer sounds.

Said one source with knowledge of the Mavs’ thinking: “They are looking hard.”

But they are also still strongly weighing whether it’s smarter to keep Josh Howard past the trading deadline. That would preserve the option to package Howard (who becomes an $11.8 million expiring contract for 2010-11 once his team option is picked up) with Erick Dampier (whose $13.1 million salary next season is fully unguaranteed) as a combo-pack of assets for an offseason trade splash.

The comments from Mavs owner Mark Cuban last weekend in New York seemed to indicate that hanging onto Howard -- even if it’s just for the long-shot possibility that Dallas could emerge as a sign-and-trade destination for one of this summer’s marquee free agents -- holds great appeal.

"You know, every team wants to get better,” Cuban told reporters Sunday. “And you look at the best guys in the league and you say, 'What gives me an opportunity to add them to my team?' Some people want cap room, some people think sign-and-trade. So it just depends. We'll see. You just never know. You never know.”

I took that as not-so-veiled backing of what we wrote back in November, when the Mavs were listed as No. 5 on a list of five teams most capable of landing LeBron for next season. Even if the odds of a sign-and-trade for someone from the LeBron/Chris Bosh stratosphere in July are small, Dallas will be undeniably tempted to preserve every possibility for a miracle, especially when you can legitimately question whether anyone it can acquire during the next three weeks can really close the gap between the Mavs and the mighty Lakers.

Dallas’ interest in Sacramento’s Kevin Martin was last week’s big trade topic, but the Kings keep saying that Martin is not available. And while Washington’s Caron Butler and Philadelphia’s Andre Iguodala are most certainly available, one plugged-in source insisted this week that the Mavs have real reservations about trading Howard for Butler and are hesitant regarding Iguodala as well largely because of the four years and $56 million left on the Philly swingman’s contract after this season.

The Mavs, remember, were reluctant back in November to take on the contract of Stephen Jackson, who wanted so badly to come to Dallas before Golden State traded him to Charlotte . . . and who would have been half as expensive as Iguodala.

The impact Jackson has had with the Bobcats actually leads you to wonder how much the Mavs now regret their refusal to gamble on Jackson, but recalling the reasons behind that reluctance helps explain why I’ve been advised more than once this week that Iguodala – as it stands with three weeks to go before the deadline – appears unlikely to be Dallas-bound.

Is there time for that stance to change?

Another pertinent question: Would Iguodala’s all-around game as a perimeter sidekick to Dirk Nowitzki – infused with the sort of defensive prowess Dallas has historically lacked -- move the Mavs close enough to the Lakers’ zip code to justify the expense? Some NBA personnel experts would say yes, but more would say no.

Which might only give Cuban more encouragement to hang onto to both of his biggest chips at this trading deadline and save his assets for the summer, knowing that any substantial deadline move would almost certainly require the inclusion of Howard.

"We always try to position ourselves to be opportunistic and we think we've got some scenarios that we can be that way," Cuban said Sunday. "So we'll see."
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...-trade-options
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When Stein reported back in november about possible destinations for LBJ, he listed
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...dime-091107-08
Cleveland
Knicks
Nets
Miami
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looking at that short list:
Cleveland: I think it's safe to say, LBJ has done all he can in that market and if they don't win it all this year, he is leaving.

Knicks: LBJ and 4 so so players, four 4 more years? unlikely

Nets: not happening. Reports recently state that the nets have seen themselves slipping out of the LBJ race, and are focusing on Amare.

Miami: Ah, thi will be the biggest challenge. We all know LBJ and wade are friends. And will give knew meaning to Jordan/Pippen combo. Miami can sign one max player. But does LBJ want to stay in the east and not venture to Kobe's west? Does LBJ want to win it easy and ride on someone else's coattails on a team that he won't be the superstar? Big questions.

Big D: Based on everything I just said, I will let you make your judgement.
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Good info there.

If we can trade Howard straight up for a Martin type player then we could always include them or Marion back in a S&T to give Cleveland some talent. The important thing is not giving up Damp before the Feb. 18 deadline.

I can definitely see the appeal of Miami to Lebron, but for some reason I see them landing Bosh instead. A Wade / Lebron combo would be pretty rediculous.

NJ and NY are out imo as well, just not competitive enough.

I say we save our chips, possibly trade Howard for a nice talent, and go at Lebron with everything we have this off-season. We really shouldn't even be in a position to have a shot at him anyway.
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trading J-Ho for Martin would be nice in two ways. it helps us win now AND it gives us another young piece with a friendly contract as opposed to Iggy who is slightly overpaid. If we don't land a top-5 player w/ Martin,Damp,Roddy,etc. we keep Martin and try plan B. same scenario could work w/ Iggy but his contract means he has to be a good fit. Toronto i could see preferring Iggy. but then that's too much to give up for Bosh. and leaves us potentially w/out a scoring wing.
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our chances at landing LeBron are actually pretty good. don't see him sharing the spotlight w/ Wade. NY sucks. I think it's btween Cleveland, NJ with Dallas as the darkhorse. don't forget NJ has a good shot at John Wall and has some good young talent and picks to deal. they can beat us in that regard. it's gonna come down to where Lebron wants to go. Cavs win he stays. NJ is next and then Dallas.
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If the Cavs win the title this year James is 100% gone there. Then he has "done" his duty there, bring the title and can leave without a bad taste not to bring the title to Cleveland. And for sure he doesnt want to stay more 4-5 years in Cleveland...

And like i said, if he tells the Cavs he GONNA leave to sign either in a S&T with a west contender like Dallas or a cap space team (that are all in the east), then Cleveland does of course the S&T to ship him at least in the west.

Playing hardball, declining the S&T with the Dust and then seeing him signing with a east cap team would be the worst for them.

And signing now a Kevin Martin etc would help a lot because then we would have great veterans for 2-3 years (Kidd, Dirk, Marion, Terry) AND a young core for the next 6-7 (Martin, Roddy, Sammy Superstar).

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Yep, I think the key is getting something of Value for Howard before the trade deadline. Martin would be a tremendous asset.
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Yep, I think the key is getting something of Value for Howard before the trade deadline. Martin would be a tremendous asset.
as I said in another thread...if they don't move Howard for something that fills the hole Howard is leaving by not being the player they need him to be, this season is over. This team is going no where without a solid #2 scoring option. JT is a good 3rd but with him as the 2nd....its one and done and this season is another waste of Dirk's prime.
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I wish our local BB media would actually stop with all the LJ talk because i would rather hear realistic news such as the kevin martin and iggy talk rather than all this pipedream crap. We dont need LJ to win, would he improve the team sure but i could name 10-15 other guys that would too, and they would probably put us over the top. Thats all i want is to be over the top, not waaaaay over....
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Somewhere between slim and none I expect.
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