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Old 03-20-2012, 06:46 PM   #1
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What deal did the Mavs make with Houston to give up their 1st round pick this year?

They're suspecting Austin Rivers will go late in the draft and i just thought he'd be a good offensive addition to Dallas.
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Old 03-20-2012, 07:12 PM   #2
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What deal did the Mavs make with Houston to give up their 1st round pick this year?
It was the pick we sent to the Lakers in the Odom deal - they packaged it for Sessions, so now Houston has it.
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It's top 20 protected so Houston will probably keep it. I think this draft is no doubt worth buying a late first rounder.
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Austin Rivers will go late in the Lottery, not late in the Draft.
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yeah i think rivers goes in the early teens.
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Based on the standings right now, I believe the Mavs would have the 21st pick...meaning no pick. If they fall one place in the standings, they'd have pick #20, and get to keep it this year (but give it up next year, when it's not protected). I think there's going to be some nice talent at 20 (some mocks even have Rivers slipping that far).

If we're not a top 4 seed, I'm not sure I care about a game or two in the standings. Clippers, Lakers, Spurs...we play up to our abilities, we can beat any of them; we play like we played in Feb & March, we don't make it out of the first round regardless of opponent.
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Based on the standings right now, I believe the Mavs would have the 21st pick...meaning no pick. If they fall one place in the standings, they'd have pick #20, and get to keep it this year (but give it up next year, when it's not protected). I think there's going to be some nice talent at 20 (some mocks even have Rivers slipping that far).

If we're not a top 4 seed, I'm not sure I care about a game or two in the standings. Clippers, Lakers, Spurs...we play up to our abilities, we can beat any of them; we play like we played in Feb & March, we don't make it out of the first round regardless of opponent.
Isnt it the other way around? If we had the 21st pick it would go to Houston. Anything 20 or below we keep.
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Isnt it the other way around? If we had the 21st pick it would go to Houston. Anything 20 or below we keep.
yep and right now we would have the 20th pick
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I thought the Mavs would have 5 years to surrender the pick?
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Would be awesome to get a 14th-19th pick in this deep draft, we could draft a kid that could help in our rotation as early as next season.
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tough to get immediate help
Last seasons 14th-20th picks....
14 Marcus Morris PF HOU
15 Kawhi Leonard SF (traded to San Antonio)
16 Nikola Vucevic C/PF PHI
17 Iman Shumpert PG NYK
18 Chris Singleton SF WAS (from Atlanta)
19 Tobias Harris SF/PF CHA (from New Orleans via Portland,traded to Milwaukee)
20 Donatas Motiejunas PF/C MIN (from Memphis via Utah, traded to Houston)
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Lot of expert called last year's draft one of the worst of all-time, and they say this can be one of the best, but certainly one of the deepest, we'll have to wait and see, but i think it should be easier to find more NBA ready players in this range this year.
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Lot of expert called last year's draft one of the worst of all-time, and they say this can be one of the best, but certainly one of the deepest, we'll have to wait and see, but i think it should be easier to find more NBA ready players in this range this year.
If we keep our top 20 pick some players too keep an eye on: Terrance Ross SG Washington 6-6, has ideal size a good athlete that can play good defense and a very good shooter, handles not advanced enough to create for himself.
Tony Mitchell PF North Texas 6'9, is as explosive an athlete as there will be in this draft, solid post game, nice outside shot that extends to 3, i really believe he is a lottery talent but for whatever reason most expect him to be available in late teens, he can play right away and back up dirk.
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tough to get immediate help
Last seasons 14th-20th picks....
14 Marcus Morris PF HOU
15 Kawhi Leonard SF (traded to San Antonio)
16 Nikola Vucevic C/PF PHI
17 Iman Shumpert PG NYK
18 Chris Singleton SF WAS (from Atlanta)
19 Tobias Harris SF/PF CHA (from New Orleans via Portland,traded to Milwaukee)
20 Donatas Motiejunas PF/C MIN (from Memphis via Utah, traded to Houston)
2 of those 7 picks are important pieces for playoff teams (shumpert and kawhi) also marcus is getting more run of late and vucevic has got some time as well. Chris Singleton starts i believe as well. Also this years draft is a lot better than last years.
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i hope dallas can trade for jeremy lamb...i see very much potential...

maybe we could trade roddy and terry (via sign and trade)

what are u thinking?

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Isnt it the other way around? If we had the 21st pick it would go to Houston. Anything 20 or below we keep.
Not sure how that is "the other way around." Fall one place in the standings = move up one place in the draft = keep our pick.
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i hope dallas can trade for jeremy lamb...i see very much potential...

maybe we could trade roddy and terry (via sign and trade)

what are u thinking?
I don't think Cuban and Nelson will get rid of either player anytime soon. They're clearly making stupid decisions regarding players other than the ones that actually need to be dealt. Like Roddy, Terry, and Haywood.

If we got rid of those 3 this offseason we could get some pretty good players in return. Roddy still has a lot of potential but it won't be met in Dallas, his style of playing isn't for the Mavs. Terry is clearly going downhill and in my opinion isn't wanting to play in Dallas right now. If Haywood is everyones idea of Dallas' great center then everyones completely stupid, his contract is way too much for a player that isn't a consistent rebound and just clogs the paint. We could easily clear up cap room with him gone and replace him with a better center and at worst a center with the same skills as himself.
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The lack of draft talk makes me sad. Cant we get some more opinions on possible picks... assuming we retain ours.

Don't know if anyone has mentioned him but what about Royce White?
A "Point Forward" with a solid all around game and NBA ready imo

I seriously believe he will be a steal if he is drafted anywhere outside of the lottery and would be just that much more of a steal the further he drops.

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The lack of draft talk makes me sad. Cant we get some more opinions on possible picks... assuming we retain ours.

Don't know if anyone has mentioned him but what about Royce White?
A "Point Forward" with a solid all around game and NBA ready imo

I seriously believe he will be a steel if he is drafted anywhere outside of the lottery and would be just that much more of a steel the further he drops.
Who is Roy White? And why do you think he is like "steel?"
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Who is Roy White? And why do you think he is like "steel?"
I said Royce not Roy but yeah need to change that steel to steal... however i would say he could have some steel in him... Looks like a PG with Bulldozer dna

Good catch with some lol added

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Please compare this Roy White to a present NBA player of which you are fond and familiar.

It goes without saying, I'm sure, that I hope we aren't going to draw any parallels to the much ill-fated draft choice of Randy White, back in the 90's.
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Please compare this Roy White to a present NBA player of which you are fond and familiar.

It goes without saying, I'm sure, that I hope we aren't going to draw any parallels to the much ill-fated draft choice of Randy White, back in the 90's.
I think any comparison to a current player would cause criticism but regardless i would consider him a poor mans LBJ. Similar size, power, and quickness, but considering the extra weight for White id say he is much less explosive yet a bit more powerful. He will never be on the same level as LBJ but i think he has 15ppg 8rpg and 5apg potential.

All just my opinion but i hope someone can agree to some extent but wheres the fun in that
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I'd compare Royce White to James Johnson I think he's a three but some team may draft him as a 4, he defends the perimeter better than the paint, his disorder will make him go later.
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I think any comparison to a current player would cause criticism but regardless i would consider him a poor mans LBJ. Similar size, power, and quickness, but considering the extra weight for White id say he is much less explosive yet a bit more powerful. He will never be on the same level as LBJ but i think he has 15ppg 8rpg and 5apg potential.

All just my opinion but i hope someone can agree to some extent but wheres the fun in that
Based on your report, I would place Roy White as a third-tier player, with a chance to play in the D-league but very little chance to make an NBA roster.

Sad result.
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I'd compare Royce White to James Johnson I think he's a three but some team may draft him as a 4, he defends the perimeter better than the paint, his disorder will make him go later.
I think its a good comparison but i think Royce White has much better handles plus the extra weight should help him more with dribble penetration. Anyone who takes a charge from White is either stupid and likes bruises or really does what ever it takes to win.
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Based on your report, I would place Roy White as a third-tier player, with a chance to play in the D-league but very little chance to make an NBA roster.

Sad result.
Based on your comment, I would say you are being facetious, with very little chance you are actually interested in this topic.

Forgive me if i am unable to accurately portray in words my perceived expectations for this prospect.
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Based on your comment, I would say you are being facetious, with very little chance you are actually interested in this topic.

Forgive me if i am unable to accurately portray in words my perceived expectations for this prospect.
One thing you are going to have to pay attention to is that a lot of people who are interested in Mavericks basketball aren't going to be interested in some num-nut who is in the mix of the possibilities this year.

You need to be dlligent.
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And further, Roy Williams doesn't sound like someone extraordinarily interesting one way or the other.
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One thing you are going to have to pay attention to is that a lot of people who are interested in Mavericks basketball aren't going to be interested in some num-nut who is in the mix of the possibilities this year.

You need to be dlligent.
I realize that winning is probably the primary interest of most but looking forward and considering the new CBA i think it will be much harder for teams to consistently stay on top without occasionally hitting a home-run with a prospect outside the lottery.

I am by no means saying he will be a star but i do believe he will be of great value to a team who picks him outside the lottery.
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I realize that winning is probably the primary interest of most but looking forward and considering the new CBA i think it will be much harder for teams to consistently stay on top without occasionally hitting a home-run with a prospect outside the lottery.

I am by no means saying he will be a star but i do believe he will be of great value to a team who picks him outside the lottery.
Good luck to Roy Hobbs, to be sure. I think we all wish that for him. Whether it ever sees the light of day, that we don't know. But it is what it is, as they say.
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I wouldn't mind drafting Fournier, great size (6'7) with PG skills, has an underrated mid range game already, underrated athlete, great passer for a SG, he attacks the rim, defends, he could be a very good SG-SF if he develops an outside shot.
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Not sure how that is "the other way around." Fall one place in the standings = move up one place in the draft = keep our pick.
Sorry misread your post. We're both saying the same thing. My bad
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I don't think Cuban and Nelson will get rid of either player anytime soon. They're clearly making stupid decisions regarding players other than the ones that actually need to be dealt. Like Roddy, Terry, and Haywood.

If we got rid of those 3 this offseason we could get some pretty good players in return. Roddy still has a lot of potential but it won't be met in Dallas, his style of playing isn't for the Mavs. Terry is clearly going downhill and in my opinion isn't wanting to play in Dallas right now. If Haywood is everyones idea of Dallas' great center then everyones completely stupid, his contract is way too much for a player that isn't a consistent rebound and just clogs the paint. We could easily clear up cap room with him gone and replace him with a better center and at worst a center with the same skills as himself.

Are you familiar with this sport at all?

1. Terry can't be "dealt" this offseason. He'll be a free agent. Either we re-sign him or we don't (I vote for the latter); it's possible we could get something back in the form of a S&T, but the returns would probably be minimal.
2. Unless Roddy is part of a package for an even better guard, I'm not sure why you would trade him this offseason, when his trade value is probably low, and your starting PG and 6th man SG are both potentially leaving via free agency.
3. If it's so easy to get a better center than Haywood, why would anyone give up anything in trade for him? I still think he's a strong candidate to be amnestied, if and only if the Mavs have something in place to use that cap space on an upgrade.
4. As for Donnie & Cuban's "stupid decisions"--they let Chandler go over money, which I didn't like but understood; Barea & Butler got overpaid elsewhere; West, Wright, and even Yi have been solid finds for the league minimum, and Carter hasn't been bad either, especially considering his future years are all team options. The only "stupid decision" was trading for Odom, and that is only stupid in hindsight--find me ONE person (other than perhaps Lamar Odom and Khloe Kardashian) who were not excited about that deal when it happened?
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Season ended today, Mavs would have the 18th pick. This is a very deep draft. Who do you like at 18? Think the Mavs might buy their way into another late first? That $3MM doesn't count vs. the cap or the LT, and late first round rookie wages are very cheap (in the distorted economics of sports).
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Season ended today, Mavs would have the 18th pick. This is a very deep draft. Who do you like at 18? Think the Mavs might buy their way into another late first? That $3MM doesn't count vs. the cap or the LT, and late first round rookie wages are very cheap (in the distorted economics of sports).
If we land around 18 i like Terrence Ross if he's there. Wouldnt be surprised to see him rise to late lottery though. Also Dion Waiters
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If we land around 18 i like Terrence Ross if he's there. Wouldnt be surprised to see him rise to late lottery though. Also Dion Waiters
I like Ross a lot as well, not high on Waiters, I'm also very high on Tony Mitchell and Evan Fournier.
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Haven't seen Ross play enough to have a strong opinion on him. Like his size though.
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Haven't seen Ross play enough to have a strong opinion on him. Like his size though.
He's a good all around player, very good defender, and very good shooter, solid rebounder, if he had better handles he would go top 10 easy, he can't really create shots from himself but other than that does pretty much everything well.
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This is who mock drafts suspect Dallas to pick. Interesting choice, he seems flashy from all the videos I watch so it's hard to tell where his NBA talent is but either way he looks like a better choice than Dominque Jones.
I hope has some sort of NBA potential cause it's clear the Mavs are running out of gas and it's time to focus on the future.

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