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Old 05-04-2022, 11:27 PM   #121
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Why are they pressing full court up 26?
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Welp it's over fellas

Suns fans are crazy up in here and Brunson and Dinwiddie both need to be traded and get a bigger backcourt mate for Luka.

Paul and Booker just can't be stopped by Dallas.
Really surprising that New Orleans played them so close. Just shows that if you have 2 stars that can score like McCollum and Ingram, you can be competitive vs these guys. Helps also that they have have a nba caliber Center
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If we get swept we have to blow it up right? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and we are in the midst of learning we are not on the Suns level.
Many of us have known this for at least 3 years. What's going to be really frustrating is when the Mavs resign Brunson to $20m+ and end up having $50m+/yr tied up in THJ, Brunson, and Powell. :-O

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First time I’ve ever turned off a Mavs playoff game. Once it got to 12 and Dinwiddie launches a 3 that scraped the side of the rim…

I’m mad but I’m not. Because any logical person knew Suns would win the series. But I’m mad because of how easy it is. And cause I hate Chris Paul.
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Well hey, all the fair weathered fans will sell their playoff tickets now. Get them at a good price.
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Really surprising that New Orleans played them so close. Just shows that if you have 2 stars that can score like McCollum and Ingram, you can be competitive vs these guys. Helps also that they have have a nba caliber Center
Jonas, Larry Nance jr are a very good inside game. Mavs have literally nothing.

You have Herb Jones that can cover multiple positions. Alvarado is always a 3 point threat and has no trouble keeping up with Paul. We have no one that can get close to Paul defensively.

Ingram and CJ are a hell of a pair. With Zion they are contenders.
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i have to say this looks familiar... very similar to what he went up against with the clips

again i'm hoping for a turnaround because that's our only chance

i think we still need to sign him regardless - i guess we can quibble about how much.
Depends on how much he wants. He is no #2 option on any legit playoff team. If the Clippers last year and now this series doesn’t open up peoples eyes, nothing will.
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And thank god Powell will be starting again next season. I'm just very appreciative of that. We need his heart and soul.
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The only positive going forward is Luka got a taste of the second round, and this hard loss will motivate him to be his best version
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Seeing how good Spencer was during the regular season, it’s a shame to see him fall apart come postseason. To have a chance in the series, both him and Brunson had to play well and compliment Lucas scoring but it hasn’t happened. This is a sweep if nothing drastic changes
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Because Suns are a trash franchise

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Seeing how good Spencer was during the regular season, it’s a shame to see him fall apart come postseason. To have a chance in the series, both him and Brunson had to play well and compliment Lucas scoring but it hasn’t happened. This is a sweep if nothing drastic changes
To be fair, he came midseason to an unfamiliar system. And you still need players to get you by when other players are out and/or against bad teams.

Sucks that he hasn't shown up, but again, Suns are the best team in the NBA.

The worst thing that can happen is not keeping Brunson because of this series.
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To be fair, he came midseason to an unfamiliar system. And you still need players to get you by when other players are out and/or against bad teams.

Sucks that he hasn't shown up, but again, Suns are the best team in the NBA.

The worst thing that can happen is not keeping Brunson because of this series.
Seriously, anyone here saying we need to blow it up and let Brunson walk.... how the hell are you going to replace him with something better? We're way over the cap with no trade assets.
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CP3 too much to handle.

Brunson was God awful on defense.

Luka was bad on defense.

DFS has gone missing.

Yikes a.f. overall. We are in the express lane right now.
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Seriously, anyone here saying we need to blow it up and let Brunson walk.... how the hell are you going to replace him with something better? We're way over the cap with no trade assets.
The blow it up and don'tre-sign JB is all emotion, or lack of awareness of what our cap is like. We don't have an option to not sign JB. He can turn us down and we are chocolate fvcked. So any thoughts about him needs to turn to prayers real quick.
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To be fair to DFS, he was in foul trouble the whole night and that wrecks your flow and limits your minutes. His third foul was about the 8min mark of the first quarter

Then again, without a defensive anchor, DFS was expected to rotate way too much and he got exposed which lead to fouls.

It’s another sign that this team really needs a roster change.
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Yeah but New Orleans has solid big's on their roster.

The Mavs continue to roll into the playoffs year after year with Powell and his 11 million contract.

You can legitimately say that all 3 Phoenix big's (Ayton, McGee and Bismark) are all better than Powell.

Let that sink in for a minute.

Watching this game up close Dallas needs to really consider benching Powell and going with Chriss or Boban even if that means they play some change up zone defense.

The Suns don't respect the Mavs perimeter players at all so they basically have the attitude of let Luka get his but shutdown everyone else.

If I'm Dallas I'm on phone with Indiana this summer offering a some kind of package of Brunson, Dinwiddie, THJ, Powell and Kleber for that Turner/Brogdon combination.

We've seen enough at this point to realize the Mavs smaller guards just can't produce vs long wing players.

The Clippers basically proved that every time they play Dallas.

As much as some fans love JB and rightfully so they should still realize that guys like Brogdon or Lavine would better suited to be a 2nd option next to Luka.
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Really surprising that New Orleans played them so close. Just shows that if you have 2 stars that can score like McCollum and Ingram, you can be competitive vs these guys. Helps also that they have have a nba caliber Center
The Suns also played down to the competition in the first round.
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The only positive going forward is Luka got a taste of the second round, and this hard loss will motivate him to be his best version
Nice but meaningless if we can't figure out a way to team build around him - like not botching 17th draft pick etc.
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Yeah but New Orleans has solid big's on their roster.

The Mavs continue to roll into the playoffs year after year with Powell and his 11 million contract.

You can legitimately say that all 3 Phoenix big's (Ayton, McGee and Bismark) are all better than Powell.

Let that sink in for a minute.

Watching this game up close Dallas needs to really consider benching Powell and going with Chriss or Boban even if that means they play some change up zone defense.

The Suns don't respect the Mavs perimeter players at all so they basically have the attitude of let Luka get his but shutdown everyone else.

If I'm Dallas I'm on phone with Indiana this summer offering a some kind of package of Brunson, Dinwiddie, THJ, Powell and Kleber for that Turner/Brogdon combination.

We've seen enough at this point to realize the Mavs smaller guards just can't produce vs long wing players.

The Clippers basically proved that every time they play Dallas.

As much as some fans love JB and rightfully so they should still realize that guys like Brogdon or Lavine would better suited to be a 2nd option next to Luka.
Awesome points man..
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Also, if Luka's thigh doesn't heal, there is no way we can win a game on our home floor, they abusing his lack of movement right now like there is no tomorrow. The annoying thing is that they were gonna do that anyway, but it wouldn't have worked nearly this well if he were healthy. And now the annoying narrative will start, because he moves like Dirk in his last season, due to that injury. It's still pretty amazing what he can do on offense with that current zero footspeed right now.
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Phoenix plays very well at home - especially against the Mavs. The Mavs play pretty well at home as well. Lets allow the Mavs to play their home games before we throw in the towel and start hypothesizing about the offseason.
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All of this is fixed with a center.

Jonas V
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Are all better on sight.

I’m so sick of the narrative that Luka is a ball hog. That’s all I’m seeing this morning. Get Luka a center it takes off more pressure. I think Jalen and Dinwiddie would be better served too if there was a center to actually work into the offense.
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All of this is fixed with a center.

Jonas V
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Are all better on sight.

I’m so sick of the narrative that Luka is a ball hog. That’s all I’m seeing this morning. Get Luka a center it takes off more pressure. I think Jalen and Dinwiddie would be better served too if there was a center to actually work into the offense.
The sooner they replace this guy the better

Questioning some key coaching decisions
The Mavericks have been outscored 18-to-4 in the opening three minutes of Game 1 and Game 2. Those points can largely be laid at the feet of center Dwight Powell, who plays hard but simply isn’t a physical match up for this entire series. He gets picked on by guards on switches and out muscled by all Phoenix players. He started both the first quarter and the third quarter when the Mavericks got absolutely blasted. I’m not sure how much more the coaching staff needs to see to keep trying the same thing that isn’t working.
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Phoenix plays very well at home - especially against the Mavs. The Mavs play pretty well at home as well. Lets allow the Mavs to play their home games before we throw in the towel and start hypothesizing about the offseason.
I'm not sure about that take.

I picked Dallas to win this series but after watching that game and getting to see things that you don't see on TV the Mavs can't hide their defensive issues vs Phoenix like they did vs Utah.

Guy's like Brunson, Dinwiddie, Bertans, Powell and Luka represents mismatches all over the floor for the Suns. Usually there's 2-3 of those guys on the court at the same time. That's a lot to ask by the coaching staff for them to hold up.

Also Phoenix has won 12 straight games vs the Mavs so I'm not sure it's just a road thing. They kick our asses anywhere and at anytime.....

Maybe the Mavs get 1 game at home but I've lost confidence in this teams ability to defend
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I'm not sure about that take.

I picked Dallas to win this series but after watching that game and getting to see things that you don't see on TV the Mavs can't hide their defensive issues vs Phoenix like they did vs Utah.

Guy's like Brunson, Dinwiddie, Bertans, Powell and Luka represents mismatches all over the floor for the Suns. Usually there's 2-3 of those guys on the court at the same time. That's a lot to ask by the coaching staff for them to hold up.

Also Phoenix has won 12 straight games vs the Mavs so I'm not sure it's just a road thing. They kick our asses anywhere and at anytime.....

Maybe the Mavs get 1 game at home but I've lost confidence in this teams ability to defend
I feel you. My point was that we'll see (hopefully see) the Mavs very best effort at home for Games 3 and 4. Lets see it THEN draw our final conclusions. But you're right, everything about the trajectory of this series and the historical data and trends suggests that the Mavs are simply overmatched.
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I don't mind being overmatched. What I cannot abide by is Powell just simply not showing up. People talk ad nauseam about his effort, and then he goes and gets 5 fouls in 13 minutes? That's a g league player never having played in the NBA before kinda stuff. He has a severely low BBIQ.

Chriss had 5 points and 2 rebounds in 5 minutes. Sure, garbage minutes, but Powell has ONE rebound in 29 minutes of play in this series.

At this point, I'm pinning any minutes Powell gets from here out on Kidd. Stop playing him. Period.
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A couple of positives:

1) Book was drafted three years before Luka and spent years in Suns hell — we are ahead of their schedule

2) Suns trade for CP3 proves that we can swing a reasonable deal for a superstar who elevates our team

3) we could’ve met them in the WCF if a couple of balls fall our way… GS and Memphis were much better matchups for us

….that’s all I got

Looking forward, I know Portland seems to be doubling down around Dame, but I would give up literally anything for him.

Brunson had an excellent series against the Jazz but he is exposed by the Suns length. We should think long and hard about a SNT this off-season.

I am still on board with THJ + Bertans for Russ. Sometimes you have to take a step back to move forward. The salary cap savings are crucial.


Edit: I know I’m speaking as if this is a done deal, but I pride myself on being a pragmatist above all else. Luka is young. Putting the right team around a superstar takes time whether they are Giannis, Lebron, or Book. We can make this happen, but it requires a clear eyed view or our squad and our limitations. We are not on the Suns level.
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I don't think the motivation to be better is the issue. We finally got rid of a terrible front office, but we're simply @#$%ed.

1) Assets - very few.
2) Picks - have a late 2022, no 2023, and can't trade 2024
3) Cap hell - if we let Brunson walk for nothing, we're between the cap and the tax. If we re-sign him, we're deep in the tax
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I don't mind being overmatched. What I cannot abide by is Powell just simply not showing up. People talk ad nauseam about his effort, and then he goes and gets 5 fouls in 13 minutes? That's a g league player never having played in the NBA before kinda stuff. He has a severely low BBIQ.

Chriss had 5 points and 2 rebounds in 5 minutes. Sure, garbage minutes, but Powell has ONE rebound in 29 minutes of play in this series.

At this point, I'm pinning any minutes Powell gets from here out on Kidd. Stop playing him. Period.
Powell was useless but God JB was abysmal defensively. It was really really really bad. He's losing his man, getting blown by on the perimeter by anyone and everyone, closing out wrecklessly, and giving up a few offensive rebounds. It's one thing to be missing shots but to be that out of whack defensively is another level.

Luka was fn garbage defensively too. Complete blow bys and failed close outs. Not working through screens, pnrs and not recovering to help or getting to his man on switches. Maybe he's hurt but it was all game long.

DFS has been a no show too.
I'm actually glad Kidd pulled the plug fairly early in a playoff game.
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I don't mind being overmatched. What I cannot abide by is Powell just simply not showing up. People talk ad nauseam about his effort, and then he goes and gets 5 fouls in 13 minutes? That's a g league player never having played in the NBA before kinda stuff. He has a severely low BBIQ.

Chriss had 5 points and 2 rebounds in 5 minutes. Sure, garbage minutes, but Powell has ONE rebound in 29 minutes of play in this series.

At this point, I'm pinning any minutes Powell gets from here out on Kidd. Stop playing him. Period.
Yeah I read this morning about Powell. I expected some slippage without KP but good lord not this much slippage

Dwight Powell is a good basketball player, but he cannot play in this series, or at least not start. He provides all of the weaknesses of a traditional big without providing the strengths and that’s been highlighted against Phoenix. The decision to play a traditional big is generally a question of if improved rim protection and rebounding is worth losing spacing and ball handling. Powell has one rebound in two games. Marquese Chriss has more rebounds than Powell despite playing a total of five minutes. Powell has not blocked a shot or gotten a steal. The Suns are shooting 70.6 percent at the rim when Powell is the closest defender.
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Yeah I read this morning about Powell. I expected some slippage without KP but good lord not this much slippage

Dwight Powell is a good basketball player, but he cannot play in this series, or at least not start. He provides all of the weaknesses of a traditional big without providing the strengths and that’s been highlighted against Phoenix. The decision to play a traditional big is generally a question of if improved rim protection and rebounding is worth losing spacing and ball handling. Powell has one rebound in two games. Marquese Chriss has more rebounds than Powell despite playing a total of five minutes. Powell has not blocked a shot or gotten a steal. The Suns are shooting 70.6 percent at the rim when Powell is the closest defender.
In fairness, Chriss was playing against bench fodder in garbage time. Chriss would be so lost if he was thrown in the mix of real impact full minutes against the best team in the league. I have no doubt about that. However, start Maxi and give Chriss some of DPs back up minutes.
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Bertans or Chriss could not possibly be any worse than Powell at this point. Powell also is good for 3-4 dumb, momentum killing moving screens or unnecessary fouls per game.
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Boban averaged 12/8 against the Clippers last playoffs. It was one of Rick's daring moves that got a lot of flack, and yet he HAD to do something to change the series.

Yes, Boban can't keep up defensively, but Kidd has to do something. Desperate times call for desperate measures. If not Boban, then at least Chriss.
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You can't keep doing the same thing hoping for a different result.
So......Starting Five for Game 3

Brunson
Doncic
DFS
Bullock
Green

Luka guards Ayton (Can he do any worse than Powell?)
Brunson guards Crowder
DFS guards Booker
Bullock guards Bridges
Green guards CP3
Everyone looks to double team Ayton when the ball goes to him in the lane/post.

Green's shortcomings on offense are no worse than Powell's, but he brings tenacity on defense that could cause problems for CP3. When Green gets tired, you let Bullock, DFS, or Frank take a turn. Pick up CP3 full-court and use a rotation of your defensive minded players to wear him down. Alternate with zone defense where you give Paul the 3-pt shot (31% for the season) but protect the paint from his midrange game. Kleber comes in for Green, with Chriss and Powell getting limited minutes. Brunson on Crowder is to keep him out of foul trouble. Crowder is mostly a jump shooter on offense, so maybe Brunson can keep up with him without fouling. I don't know, but it seems to me you need a paradigm shift to hopefully make the Suns feel a need to adjust their game plan.
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So......Starting Five for Game 3

Brunson
Doncic
DFS
Bullock
Green

Luka guards Ayton (Can he do any worse than Powell?)
Brunson guards Crowder
DFS guards Booker
Bullock guards Bridges
Green guards CP3
Everyone looks to double team Ayton when the ball goes to him in the lane/post.

Green's shortcomings on offense are no worse than Powell's, but he brings tenacity on defense that could cause problems for CP3. When Green gets tired, you let Bullock, DFS, or Frank take a turn. Pick up CP3 full-court and use a rotation of your defensive minded players to wear him down. Alternate with zone defense where you give Paul the 3-pt shot (31% for the season) but protect the paint from his midrange game. Kleber comes in for Green, with Chriss and Powell getting limited minutes. Brunson on Crowder is to keep him out of foul trouble. Crowder is mostly a jump shooter on offense, so maybe Brunson can keep up with him without fouling. I don't know, but it seems to me you need a paradigm shift to hopefully make the Suns feel a need to adjust their game plan.
I actually like the idea because right now the Mavs issues aren't scoring it's defense.

Green as a small ball center could do everything that Powell does IMO and the Mavs could use more zone defense with that lineup
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Luka
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DFS
Bull- lock
Kleber

Start off in a zone. They run their opening plays to perfection both games so far. We have to climb out if a hole.

On offense post up Luka for a few possessions. Try to get them in foul trouble early or get easier buckets without the drive.
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Bull- lock
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Start off in a zone. They run their opening plays to perfection both games so far. We have to climb out if a hole.

On offense post up Luka for a few possessions. Try to get them in foul trouble early or get easier buckets without the drive.
I think that’s the lineup we will see to start. Maybe Powell will play better off the bench?
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