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What is so great about Pinson? Seems like the Mavs are pretty high on him.
He's a great personality guy?

Boban seems to make Luka happy too.

They're 14-16 guys on the roster, but I love a good lockerroom guy.
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What is so great about Pinson? Seems like the Mavs are pretty high on him.
He caused 2 turnovers in the playoffs...wearing street clothes. Imagine how many turnovers he could cause I'd he were actually suited up and on the court.
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Bullock and DFS easily covered up the defensive shortcomings of Brunson and Luka...well until those two were super fatigued at the end. But overall, it's really not a big issue. Luka just needs to work on D and be in shape come camp time.

The starting lineup next season is Luka, Brunson, Bullock, DFS, and Powell replacement. You can conjure up all the scenarios you want, but unless Brunson leaves, then that is the lineup. And it got us to the WCF, so results talk and BS walks.

And if you pass on Kessler in the draft because he isn't the next Wilt Chamberlain, then I'm glad you aren't a GM. We don't need a superstar center. Kessler is miles better than Powell talent-wise. My knock on Kessler is that he isn't a great rebounder, but the shot blocking alone is worth the pick. 7'1 guys that block 4 shots a game don't grow on trees.

Problem is there aren't many great center options this summer in the draft or FA. You can try through trade, but it'll cost you an arm and a leg for Myles Turner.
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Bullock and DFS easily covered up the defensive shortcomings of Brunson and Luka...well until those two were super fatigued at the end. But overall, it's really not a big issue. Luka just needs to work on D and be in shape come camp time.

The starting lineup next season is Luka, Brunson, Bullock, DFS, and Powell replacement. You can conjure up all the scenarios you want, but unless Brunson leaves, then that is the lineup. And it got us to the WCF, so results talk and BS walks.

And if you pass on Kessler in the draft because he isn't the next Wilt Chamberlain, then I'm glad you aren't a GM. We don't need a superstar center. Kessler is miles better than Powell talent-wise. My knock on Kessler is that he isn't a great rebounder, but the shot blocking alone is worth the pick. 7'1 guys that block 4 shots a game don't grow on trees.

Problem is there aren't many great center options this summer in the draft or FA. You can try through trade, but it'll cost you an arm and a leg for Myles Turner.
Dfs and Bullock are fine, but we still have the glaring weakness that they can NOT dribble. They can't create anything, at all. It's cool that we have decent wing defenders but we need more from those 2 positions.
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Dfs and Bullock are fine, but we still have the glaring weakness that they can NOT dribble. They can't create anything, at all. It's cool that we have decent wing defenders but we need more from those 2 positions.
Brunson and Dinwiddie fill that role, but I'm fine with drafting or adding another ball handling wing. I don't think that's what some people are talking about though.

I just can't see any left field swings after the KP trade and WCF showing. I don't think it's healthy for the roster to do that either. Our team chemistry is a 10, and that's why you see reports of Pinson and Boban staying.

What won't be acceptable is keeping Powell as the starter, but I'm convinced they know better now. Dear lord, let's hope so...
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Interesting information on Myles Turner

Didn't realize that Turner much like KP in the last 3 years has missed many games. I think he's a solid player but if the Mavs decided that availability was also a key reason why they needed to move on from KP then Turner might raise some red flags.

The more you think about it the safest option and the cheaper option IMO might very well be Mo Bamba

He has gradually improved every year in the league and over the past 3-4 of this season dude really became a force for Orlando. Mavs don't need a big name at Center just an upgrade over fucking Dwight Powell. Bamba avg 10 ppg, 8 rebounds and 2 blocks per game and shot 38% on 3's so you can still run a 5 out offense with him.

I think his game would even elevate more playing with Luka.

That should be the target at Center this offseason and that 26th pick should be used to try and find another playable wing with some length.

Honestly, I'm fine with Dinwiddie being the 6th man but I would try to find a trade partner for THJ just to get out of that contract.

I also think Green and Frank are both still capable of improving their jump shots. They are still both really young and can handle the ball + play defense. They could be two key contributors net year if they get up to 35% shooting from three.

Mavs bench if unable to trade THJ and with improved shooting by Green and Frank could be solid

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I'd also look into seeing if Kidd could salvage the career of Dennis Smith Jr. I just think Rick didn't handle that situation very well and he could be a guy who can also attack the rim and play defense off your bench. We could always use a guy who can stay in front of opposing PG's
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Bullock and DFS easily covered up the defensive shortcomings of Brunson and Luka...well until those two were super fatigued at the end. But overall, it's really not a big issue. Luka just needs to work on D and be in shape come camp time.

The starting lineup next season is Luka, Brunson, Bullock, DFS, and Powell replacement. You can conjure up all the scenarios you want, but unless Brunson leaves, then that is the lineup. And it got us to the WCF, so results talk and BS walks.

And if you pass on Kessler in the draft because he isn't the next Wilt Chamberlain, then I'm glad you aren't a GM. We don't need a superstar center. Kessler is miles better than Powell talent-wise. My knock on Kessler is that he isn't a great rebounder, but the shot blocking alone is worth the pick. 7'1 guys that block 4 shots a game don't grow on trees.

Problem is there aren't many great center options this summer in the draft or FA. You can try through trade, but it'll cost you an arm and a leg for Myles Turner.
If Kessler and Liddell are available I would probably go with Liddell. But, I wouldn't be unhappy with Kessler.
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Interesting information on Myles Turner

Didn't realize that Turner much like KP in the last 3 years has missed many games. I think he's a solid player but if the Mavs decided that availability was also a key reason why they needed to move on from KP then Turner might raise some red flags.

The more you think about it the safest option and the cheaper option IMO might very well be Mo Bamba

He has gradually improved every year in the league and over the past 3-4 of this season dude really became a force for Orlando. Mavs don't need a big name at Center just an upgrade over fucking Dwight Powell. Bamba avg 10 ppg, 8 rebounds and 2 blocks per game and shot 38% on 3's so you can still run a 5 out offense with him.

I think his game would even elevate more playing with Luka.

That should be the target at Center this offseason and that 26th pick should be used to try and find another playable wing with some length.

Honestly, I'm fine with Dinwiddie being the 6th man but I would try to find a trade partner for THJ just to get out of that contract.

I also think Green and Frank are both still capable of improving their jump shots. They are still both really young and can handle the ball + play defense. They could be two key contributors net year if they get up to 35% shooting from three.

Mavs bench if unable to trade THJ and with improved shooting by Green and Frank could be solid

Kleber
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Dinwiddie

I'd also look into seeing if Kidd could salvage the career of Dennis Smith Jr. I just think Rick didn't handle that situation very well and he could be a guy who can also attack the rim and play defense off your bench. We could always use a guy who can stay in front of opposing PG's
Really like Mo Bamba, but how would we realistically get him here? Isn't our cap situation pretty much effed in terms of matching trades?
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Bamba on QO for Powell + #26 (I'm not sure Bamba will get a lot of RFA interest and he could be a one-year QO guy with full bird rights next offseason)

What do you all think?
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Resigning/keeping JB + Mo Bamba + a quality (better than JG) type functional wing at #26 would be a good step allowing enhanced big man play plus retaining 5 out capabilities. That plus internal development of Luka, JB and Mo Bamba would potentially make us viable again for the conference title next season.

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Honestly think Bamba provides everything Ayton would (other than playoff experience) for cheaper. I also don't think the Suns are in the mood to trade Ayton to us.

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What do you all think?
I like the idea of Bamba if the Mavs could get him.
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Honestly think Bamba provides everything Ayton would (other than playoff experience) for cheaper. I also don't think the Suns are in the mood to trade Ayton to us.
At #35 you might be able to get someone like Trevion Williams (Purdue). That would be a shot in the arm (along with Bamba) to improve Mavs rebounding.
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Honestly think Bamba provides everything Ayton would (other than playoff experience) for cheaper. I also don't think the Suns are in the mood to trade Ayton to us.
I’d pull the trigger on that deal. I like Bamba and think he would fit well here. Ross has 1 more year on his deal, and we still have a draft pick for Nico to use. I know Green is still young, but I think Frank can fill his role just fine if not better.
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Lauren Gunn on twitter threw out THJ for Holmes and Holiday. That makes a lot of sense, but I'm always wondering what they think of THJ.
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Brunson and Dinwiddie fill that role, but I'm fine with drafting or adding another ball handling wing. I don't think that's what some people are talking about though.

I just can't see any left field swings after the KP trade and WCF showing. I don't think it's healthy for the roster to do that either. Our team chemistry is a 10, and that's why you see reports of Pinson and Boban staying.

What won't be acceptable is keeping Powell as the starter, but I'm convinced they know better now. Dear lord, let's hope so...
JB and SD don't fill that role because they aren't both starters who also play defense. You get 2 guys who can't really defend but are multi-tool offensive players, Or you have 2 guys who are decent defensive players but can't do anything aside from catch and shoot.

I agree that DP as a starter is obviously a huge void but imo, core or not, it's a mistake to not pursue moving some pieces around to get a 2 way wing and a center. I'm not saying it's easy or even going to happen but I don't believe you can squeeze much more out of this team build if you just add a solid center.
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No teams give a F about THJ. Whatever you think he is worth to other teams, lower that...by a lot.
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At #35 you might be able to get someone like Trevion Williams (Purdue). That would be a shot in the arm (along with Bamba) to improve Mavs rebounding.
Trevion is a hell of a passer too. It'd be nice to have Luka/SD/Brunson going outside in and then Trevion going inside out
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No teams give a F about THJ. Whatever you think he is worth to other teams, lower that...by a lot.
Unless it's the Magic who have a proven track record of being ass

They need scoring. 29th in scoring and THJ is instant offense.

Not saying it's smart, but I don't think Bamba/Ross for THJ/Green while upgrading their high second to a low first is out of the range of possibility.

They get scoring, a prospect, and upgrade their pick by 9 spots for an inefficient guy and a guy who is going to hit free agency.
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I’d pull the trigger on that deal. I like Bamba and think he would fit well here. Ross has 1 more year on his deal, and we still have a draft pick for Nico to use. I know Green is still young, but I think Frank can fill his role just fine if not better.
We need to quit with the Josh Green is young narrative. Go to Hoop Hype and they have a listing of 40 players all rated much higher than Josh that were born the year before Josh 1999 to 2022 (2 calendar years after Josh who was born in 2020). That is at least 40 players that are contemporaries of Josh. He is not a unicorn in terms of age for gods sake.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-global-rating-age/

As a reminder Luka, Saddiq, Jordan Poole, Ja et al were born the year before Josh. His is not a teenager.

Bottom line: The thought that Josh hasn't developed or played much because he is young is mixing up correlation with causation. He doesn't play because he is not good. It is not the other way around.

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We need to quit with the Josh Green is young narrative. Go to Hoop Hype and they have a listing of 40 players all rated much higher than Josh that were born the year before Josh 1999 to 2022 (2 calendar years after Josh who was born in 2020). That is at least 40 players that are contemporaries of Josh. He is not a unicorn in terms of age for gods sake.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-global-rating-age/

As a reminder Luka, Saddiq, Jordan Poole, Ja et al were born the year before Josh. His is not a teenager.

Bottom line: The thought that Josh hasn't developed or played much because he is young is mixing up correlation with causation. He doesn't play because he is not good. It is not the other way around.
Bingo. Some people still cling onto Green because of how bad that draft was for us, so I can't really blame them. He and Powell suffer from plays well against bad teams syndrome. And then we all get a glimmer of hope only to be let down when it really matters.

I mean, I'd keep Green over Powell, but it makes more sense to move him for someone more polished if possible.
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Jakob Poeltl is a rebounder and rim protector who can score a little. What does Dallas give to get him?
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We need to quit with the Josh Green is young narrative. Go to Hoop Hype and they have a listing of 40 players all rated much higher than Josh that were born the year before Josh 1999 to 2022 (2 calendar years after Josh who was born in 2020). That is at least 40 players that are contemporaries of Josh. He is not a unicorn in terms of age for gods sake.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-global-rating-age/

As a reminder Luka, Saddiq, Jordan Poole, Ja et al were born the year before Josh. His is not a teenager.

Bottom line: The thought that Josh hasn't developed or played much because he is young is mixing up correlation with causation. He doesn't play because he is not good. It is not the other way around.
That’s great and all, but Josh is 21 years old. He’s still young. I won’t argue that he’s not good.
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He?ll be an UFA next season. Spurs love him and he?s part of their resurgence that pushed toward the playoffs. Not sure they?d trade him and we don?t exactly have the assets to make a trade deal they?d be stupid to decline.
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The Dalton Trigg trade proposal...THJ, Powell, Green, 26 for Holmes and Barnes.

Don't see Sacramento doing that.
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The Dalton Trigg trade proposal...THJ, Powell, Green, 26 for Holmes and Barnes.

Don't see Sacramento doing that.
They want to dump Holmes after his domestic violence so I could see it.

Barnes isn't getting them anywhere

I'm not sure if either team says yes
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Barnes isn't getting them anywhere

I'm not sure if either team says yes
Holmes just got granted full custody of their son, so I think the DV accusations can be put to bed. He is more likely to be traded as he was replaced by Sabonis in the starting lineup and likely has requested out.
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I think we can get Holmes, but Barnes is going to have a few suitors.
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The Knicks are finalizing a contract with Rick Brunson, the father of Jalen Brunson, to become an assistant coach on Tom Thibodeau?s staff, SNY has learned. Brunson, a nine-year NBA veteran, has been an assistant coach under Thibodeau in Chicago and Minnesota. The deal is expected to be finalized in the coming days, per people familiar with the matter. The 49-year-old fills a spot on the Knicks bench created when former assistant Kenny Payne left to become head coach at the University of Louisville. ? via SportsNet New York
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So Jalen is going to the Knicks now?
I think Jalen?s dad worked under Thibs before, so I don?t know that I?d read too much into it. End of the day I think JB remains in Dallas.
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Mavs lost assistant coach Igor to the Nets. Kinda weird that the Mavs didn't try harder to keep him. Wonder who the replacement will be.
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I think I saw earlier on Reddit (I could be wrong on that) that there was a picture of a Charlotte assistant at the airport heading to DFW. Could just be a coincidence though.

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I think I saw earlier on Reddit (I could be wrong on that) that there was a picture of a Charlotte assistant at the airport heading to DFW. Could just be a coincidence though.
If Stotts doesn't get the Charlotte job, then I'd like to have him back.
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Bullock and DFS easily covered up the defensive shortcomings of Brunson and Luka...well until those two were super fatigued at the end. But overall, it's really not a big issue. Luka just needs to work on D and be in shape come camp time.

The starting lineup next season is Luka, Brunson, Bullock, DFS, and Powell replacement. You can conjure up all the scenarios you want, but unless Brunson leaves, then that is the lineup. And it got us to the WCF, so results talk and BS walks.

And if you pass on Kessler in the draft because he isn't the next Wilt Chamberlain, then I'm glad you aren't a GM. We don't need a superstar center. Kessler is miles better than Powell talent-wise. My knock on Kessler is that he isn't a great rebounder, but the shot blocking alone is worth the pick. 7'1 guys that block 4 shots a game don't grow on trees.

Problem is there aren't many great center options this summer in the draft or FA. You can try through trade, but it'll cost you an arm and a leg for Myles Turner.
Yep! Especially agree on Kessler...seems like a great fit. When you pick late in the first round in the NBA draft, you are getting 5th or 6th tier guys...they're all going to have weaknesses. His seem ok given what we need, and his plusses are what we REALLY need. He's big enough, think his rebounding can improve---it's mostly want to.
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