The "I *Heart* Eugenics" Thread

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

seems the appropriateness is not a decision for others to make, it a decision of the mother.

your question was why basing the decision to terminate on the gender was unethical. if the mother was evaluating if she should carry to term, the gender of the baby shouldn't have any influence on that decision as it makes no difference. a male or a female baby are identical in all elements save for their gonads.

If killing a human is the decision of the mother, then you might as well love Hitler's views as well.

He decided that killing was the decision of the government and based much of his killing on religion.

It is the exact same way of thinking turned to a different direction. This is exactly why the German people allowed the holocaust -- just like you would allow it - it starts in the head with not seeing people as human. Once upon a time slaves weren't seen as human either.

Maybe you would rather the king decide, like maybe the president -- maybe the next one will want all blue eyed to be killed.

Stupid is as Stupid does, and giving the right to kill to a woman just because she is a woman is just as stupid as giving it to you or me.

Abortion isn't any different than killing millions of jews, or slaves. It is just whether or not someone in some government can justify themselves with the killing and make it law.

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by dalmations202

If killing a human is the decision of the mother, then you might as well love Hitler's views as well.

He decided that killing was the decision of the government and based much of his killing on religion.

It is the exact same way of thinking turned to a different direction. This is exactly why the German people allowed the holocaust -- just like you would allow it - it starts in the head with not seeing people as human. Once upon a time slaves weren't seen as human either.

Maybe you would rather the king decide, like maybe the president -- maybe the next one will want all blue eyed to be killed.

Stupid is as Stupid does, and giving the right to kill to a woman just because she is a woman is just as stupid as giving it to you or me.

Abortion isn't any different than killing millions of jews, or slaves. It is just whether or not someone in some government can justify themselves with the killing and make it law.

your viewpoint is based on a definition you have made of when life begins. your viewpoint is extreme, and (this shouldn't surprise you) there is no basis of support for your viewpoint other than your opinion.

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

your viewpoint is based on a definition you have made of when life begins. your viewpoint is extreme, and (this shouldn't surprise you) there is no basis of support for your viewpoint other than your opinion.

Really........no basis except my opinion.

Wow

So my definition of when life begins differs from who -- I mean what percentage of people in the world?

Isn't there anyone else on this planet that believes that life begins at conception - at least when there is a heartbeat.........

I guess I am all alone and my viewpoint is extreme -- but I'll keep it anyway.

Now as to the no basis -- you are kidding/lying to yourself if you don't see a basis for it -- whether you agree or not.

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by dalmations202

Really........no basis except my opinion.

Wow

So my definition of when life begins differs from who -- I mean what percentage of people in the world?

Isn't there anyone else on this planet that believes that life begins at conception - at least when there is a heartbeat.........

I guess I am all alone and my viewpoint is extreme -- but I'll keep it anyway.

Now as to the no basis -- you are kidding/lying to yourself if you don't see a basis for it -- whether you agree or not.

who knows what percentage of the world believes that life begins at conception vs life begins at a heartbeat vs life begins upon a central nervous system vs life begins at birth?

there is no absolute answer to the question, some believe what they believe by their own thoughts/analysis, some believe what they believe because their religious leadership told them how to believe.

I see those who believe that life begins at fertilization to have an extreme viewpoint, just as I see those who believe that life begins at birth to have an extreme viewpoint. neither of these have a basis in logic, whether you agree or not.

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

who knows what percentage of the world believes that life begins at conception vs life begins at a heartbeat vs life begins upon a central nervous system vs life begins at birth?

there is no absolute answer to the question, some believe what they believe by their own thoughts/analysis, some believe what they believe because their religious leadership told them how to believe.

I see those who believe that life begins at fertilization to have an extreme viewpoint, just as I see those who believe that life begins at birth to have an extreme viewpoint. neither of these have a basis in logic, whether you agree or not.

Then give me the logic.

I am a logic guy -- been a programmer, engineer, and network admin for 20 plus years. I deal in logic every day.

Show me the LOGIC. I can debate the logic of fertilization, I can debate the logic of heartbeat.

Show me the logic against that.


Show me the logic behind allowing a person to kill at will, compared to the logic of allowing something to survive.

Please put up the logic.

[DirkFTW]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

who knows what percentage of the world believes that life begins at conception vs life begins at a heartbeat vs life begins upon a central nervous system vs life begins at birth?

there is no absolute answer to the question, some believe what they believe by their own thoughts/analysis, some believe what they believe because their religious leadership told them how to believe.

I see those who believe that life begins at fertilization to have an extreme viewpoint, just as I see those who believe that life begins at birth to have an extreme viewpoint. neither of these have a basis in logic, whether you agree or not.

Wait........... I assumed everyone believes this thing is alive, ie it's no less alive than a single-celled organism, which is alive. I thought the debate was always where the humanity attaches, ie is it human life or non-human life? Is this wrong?