The Solution

[Simon2]

#2 isn't happening with Nellie at the helm. He's the mad scientist!

[uberfan]

Originally posted by: MightyToine

Too bad you're not MARK CUBAN, though. Awwwwww.... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]




Anyway....I think Finley would sooner go than Walker if only because of the AGE DIFFERENCE(Walker is 27; Finley is 30-something)....Of course, Finley not doing much of anything offensively *and* not trying to contribute in OTHER WAYS when his offense is not going Doesn't help YOUR case for Trading Antoine. AT least Walker continues to Rebound the Ball, and has had more games where he has had 5 or more assists than Games where he has not. He is intense and hates to lose.....AS for Finley? Riiiight....

Cuban would have to be smoking the Cocaine-laced Cigar if he even thought of making that trade or ANY Trade involving Walker.

(Judging by your picture, I'd say you've been doing some "smoking" of your own...lol)

So just because a Fan doesn't like someone, they should be traded? ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]




Okay then.....I don't like Finley.....TRADE HIM! bahhahahaahahahh!!! Oh wait!

I don't like...umm......Best! TRADE HIM!!! HAHAHHAAHAH!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

The point about trading Wlaker has to do with length of contract and not whether he is like or not. In Oregon papers today they say Portland is willing to let Wallace walk rather than take on longer term contracts. Blazers are looking at the $17 mil plus $17 mil tax savings. Of course, you can't always believe what is written in the papers.

[Charlie Brown]

Originally posted by: MightyToine

So just because a Fan doesn't like someone, they should be traded? ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]


Okay then.....I don't like Finley.....TRADE HIM! bahhahahaahahahh!!! Oh wait!

I don't like...umm......Best! TRADE HIM!!! HAHAHHAAHAH!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

sure buddy . . . whatever you think is funny . . .

but i've reasoned out in several posts why i think walker is a detriment to this team . . . so there's reasoning behind why i don't like walker . . . and the same goes with nellie, who i've criticized since two years back . . .

and just b/c walker rebounds and gets 5 assists per game, that doesn't mean he's good for the mavs . . . the mavs were already a highly efficient offensive team and if walker's so good for the mavs, his addition should have made us more efficient offensively, but that has yet to happen . . . i know it's early, but i think walker's addition simply takes away opportunities from other players who are more efficient at doing what he does . . . i could analyze this further but i've already done it before . . . time will show why boston was so desperate to get rid of him

[Cybertx]

Originally posted by: Charlie Brown
put walker in the trade instead of jamison . . .

i still don't understand why a lot of fans think walker's good for us . . . he's shooting 42% from the floor (which is actually GOOD considering his career numbers) and shooting like 28% from 3pt line . . . and i can't see either figure getting much better . . .

when you have too many stars on the team, there are not enough balls to go around, so the key is to make sure you have efficient scorers as opposed to volume scorers . . . walker and finley are volume scorers and i think having one (finley) is enough . . . nash, nowitzki, and jamison are efficient scorers

i also point to the plus/minus figures, which although not perfect, is still pretty telling . . . walker is freakin 10th on the team in terms of +/- . . . i think that's horrible for a guy who supposedly makes players around him better . . .

http://www.82games.com/0304DAL.HTM

i've never liked walker or nellie . . . i say get rid of them both

and this is the rotation i use

PG Steve Nash Travis Best
SG Josh Howard Michael Finley
SF Antawn Jamison Michael Finley
PF Dirk Nowitzki Eduardo Najera
C Rasheed Wallace Shawn Bradley

I agree but i will use najera in SF that was his pos. in college and Fortson in PF that would be a really good def. bench and with finley in there he can shoot everything(even if he miss like yesterday)

[MightyToine]

and just b/c walker rebounds and gets 5 assists per game, that doesn't mean he's good for the mavs . . .

I c-c-c-c-can't...comment....be--cause...I--m busy.....LAUGHING MY ASS OFF ON THAT COMMENT!!! You are something else, Charlie Brown(aka Blockhead.... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] )

So I guess you prefer someone who DIDN'T rebound, and DIDN'T contribute......Hmmmm..didn't you once have a guy like that? I believe his name was...ummm...LaFrentz.

Exactly.

the mavs were already a highly efficient offensive team and if walker's so good for the mavs, his addition should have made us more efficient offensively, but that has yet to happen

So it's ALL WALKER'S FAULT that the ENTIRE MAVS TEAM is shooting like shit, right? Oookay.... [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

So I guess Finley shot like crap last night because of Walker.

Jamison missed a zillion tip-ins last night because of Walker.


Nash got nailed in the face because......................of Walker.

Nellie got ejected because.....................................of Walker.


There will never be World Peace because..............Take a guess. [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]



You see what I'm getting at here? What you are doing is finding a convenient Scapegoat for this teams' struggles and I empasize the word "TEAM" here. I bet if Walker wasn't here, you'd only be blaming Nellie.

please just knock it off, alright?

. . . i know it's early, but i think walker's addition simply takes away opportunities from other players who are more efficient at doing what he does . . .

More efficient????????? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]

You mean Finley can PASS THE BALL MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN WALKER?? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]


You mean Nash can REBOUND THE BASKETBALL MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN WALKER????? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]


You mean Najera can HANDLE THE BALL ON THE BREAK MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN WALKER???? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]


Answer to all above :


ROFLMAO!!!!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

i could analyze this further but i've already done it before . . . time will show why boston was so desperate to get rid of him

Oh please....Please *DO* analyze it further. I'm curious to see what your uninformed "Analysis" is on this matter.... [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

[Walkerforthree]

Originally posted by: rakesh.s
i would bring wallace in for sure..that guy could help this team..and he's pretty much like dirk(obviously wallace doesn't play upto his potential, but i think he has skills similar to dirk) except that he can block shots..he shoots the three at a decent %

but right now, looks like everyone thinks getting rid of nellie is the solution..which may be right..time to bring a defensive coach

Hey Gumby, Dirk and Sheed average the exact same blocks this year, 1.3

[Charlie Brown]

you're such a joke, man . . .

you take what i say and then exaggerate it to such an extent that it misses the valid points i'm trying to make and only add to your persistence in trying to just make fun of me b4 having actually read a lot of my posts . . . i don't know if it feeds your ego to make fun of others on the board, but whatever . . .

in any case, i NEVER said it's ALL WALKER'S FAULT. and I never said it's ALL his fault that the entire mavs team is shooting like shit. but i do believe that there are certain aspects of his game that makes the Mavs more inefficient offensively despite the several good stats (rbs, assts) he puts up. that's the problem with volume scorers (guys who need a lot of shots to get their rhythm and make their shots) - if you have too many of them, you run into the trouble of not enough shots for everyone and taking shots away from more efficient players; i.e. there have been several times that Dirk's shots have been limited during the game to the detriment of his rhythm and to the team. now, i'm not SOLELY BLAMING WALKER for this. obviously, there are other players who have been taking shots away from Nowitzi as well. Finley does. Jamison does. etc. etc. however, i'm just saying that you're forcing in another scorer to what was already a saturated situation which dilutes everyone else's game individually because they get less shots. and if you play basketball, you know that it's easier to get into a rhythm offensively when you have more touches. and walker requires LOTS of touches and shots, partly b/c that's the way he plays and partly b/c that's Nelson's game plan (which i disagree with). so, i really believe that either Fin, Jamison, or Walker has to go. simply too many scorers. it would just make the whole team more efficient if we replaced one of the scorers with a bigger man who can defend the big men better, who's efficient offensively (can make the limited shots he takes), and can rebound just as well, etc. (a la the highly efficient, rasheed wallace), who won't take away too many shots from guys like Dirk or even Nash, who has historically been a very efficient shooter. and out of the three (Fin, Jam, and Walk), Walker has historically been the least efficient scorer and it's not too different this year. and if you combine low FG%/3PT FG% with tons of shots, it's not a great combination for the team.

you can make the argument that his passing is a needed weapon on this team. but i completely disagree. i don't think the lack of great passing was a weak point on this team offensively last year. nash did just fine directing the offense, and it would be nice to have a better passing backup point guard (Best is playing better recently), but I don't think we necessarily need a passing forward. if Walker was more of an efficient shooter, i wouldn't mind it so much. however, nash is simply the more efficient passer and walker's passing skills is more of a luxury than a necessity IMO. the other problem is that this stupid "point forward" idea by Nelson further takes the ball away from Dirk and his progress. For all the talk about Dirk becoming a multi-dimensional player, I'm surprised Nelson's going away from that by giving the ball more to guys like Walker. I really feel that late in the games, you need the ball in the hands of your best player. I think with Walker on the floor, I feel that Nelson will be tempted more to go to Walker than Nowitzki and have Walker direct the offense along with Nash. I think this is a huge mistake. I see a lot of times where Walker can't find an open man late in games and he ends up flinging bad shots which he also did in Boston. I prefer to keep it simple and have Nash find the open man or allow Dirk to go to work and let him develop his own passing game.

More efficient?????????

You mean Finley can PASS THE BALL MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN WALKER??
You mean Nash can REBOUND THE BASKETBALL MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN WALKER?????
You mean Najera can HANDLE THE BALL ON THE BREAK MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN WALKER????

Answer to all above :
ROFLMAO!!!!!

i could analyze this further but i've already done it before . . . time will show why boston was so desperate to get rid of him

what the hell is all this? i never said EVERYONE ON THE FREAKING TEAM IS MORE EFFICIENT THAN WALKER. the point i'm trying to make is that if you take each aspect of Walker's game, there is someone on the Mavs who we can play late in games that can do it more efficiently or just as well. Walker's passing - Nash is better. Walker's defensive rebounding - Dirk is just as good and maybe better. Walker's offensive rebounding - Jamison's just as good. Walker's scoring - Nash, Dirk, Jam, etc. are more efficient. I.E Walker does a lot of things well, but I don't think his skills will be missed when we have weaknesses that another player out there can address.

Walker's not a horrible player. I just think he's not the right fit with this team with the players we already have.

[dude1394]

Trade the mavericks fans for the lakers fans.

[kg_veteran]

Originally posted by: dude1394
Trade the mavericks fans for the lakers fans.

Knee-jerk.

[dude1394]

Originally posted by: kg_veteran

Knee-jerk.

Why of course it is.

[kg_veteran]

Steering the thread back on topic, let's talk about these two points:

2. Establish a set rotation.

Instead of using all 11 guys and acting like he's a kid with a new toy, Nellie should take this team and establish a set rotation.

The starters should be Wallace (or Jamison if he stays), Nowitzki, Walker, Finley and Nash. The guards off the bench should be Best and Howard. The frontcourt reserves should be Bradley and either Najera or Fortson.

Pick 9 guys. 5 starters, 2 frontcourt reserves, and 2 backcourt reserves. And then play them. Consistently.

3. Believe you're as good as anybody in the league. Specifically, the Lakers.

I thought we were over this after the playoffs last year, but then again, I guess we didn't face the Lakers.

The Mavericks have to start believing that they belong among the elite. They have enough talent to compete with and beat anyone -- they simply have to play like they know that.

I don't know if it has to be Dirk, or Nellie, or Fin, or Walker, or Steve, or what, but somebody has to take charge of this situation and say that it's NOT okay to act like underdogs. It's NOT okay to act like we're just happy to be here.

We can continue to stockpile talent in Dallas for as long as we want. Until the organization reaches the point where they expect to beat everybody and don't accept anything less, we're going to end up wondering about what might have been.

Dude, do you agree or disagree? And why?

[sike]

Originally posted by: Rhylan
I do this trade today if I can

there is no way in the world Portland turns this trade down(or at least a similar one) with the slash and burn attitude they have right now, they would gladlly get rid of a punk to get some solid player with talent and character!!! THEY WOULD DO THIS DEAL....AND SO WOULD I!

WE NEED A PLAYER\PUNK WITH THE TALENT OF SHEED....SOMEONE WHO WILL SHAKE UP THE WIMPY Psyche of this team...does he bring bagage....as much as any other player in the league....but does he fill a need....yes!...in a big way!!!...not a traditional center as has been well pointed out on this thread,....but there is nothing traditional about the stars of this team[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif[/img]ther than Nash and Finley...would Nelle abuse the wealth of talent..yes.....would Sheed make us a better, tougher, meaner, scrappier team: yes!...would we get more techs?: yes would Sheed and Walker get along?:who knows???but I'd take Sheed over Walker if it came down to it!! ULTIMATE QUESTION, DOES SHEED MAKE THE MAVERICKS A BETTER TEAM?: THERE IS NO WAY OF BEING SURE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER!....REMEMBER HOW WE JUST KNEW THIS NEW MAVERICKS TEAM WOULD TEAR UP THE LEAGUE???? WELL, IT MAY STILL HAPPEN...OR IT MAY NOT....IT JUST TAKES CHEMISTRY TO WIN CONSISTANTLY IN THIS LEAGUE...IF ALL IT TOOK TO WIN THE TITILE EVERY YEAR WAS THE MOST TALENT, THE SPURS WOULD HAVE NEVER WON ANYTHING!...I DO THIS DEAL CUZ IT GIVES US MORE OF A CHANCETO WIN IT ALL THIS YEAR...ARE THERE PROBLEMS..YES! ARE THERE ANSWERS?...YES!

[bernardos70]

Jumping on this thread late (and admittedly without reading all the replies), but KG, did you choose the players you did for us to trade with Portland because the salaries work out? Because I don't think we need to give up that much to get Rasheed Wallace.... look what happened with Bonzi Wells, they traded him for what's his name, Wesley Person. And I'd also think trading Walker would be more attractive to Portland, his contract comes off the books after this year doesn't it? Or next year. While Jamison's contract only comes off the books in 08/09.

[dude1394]

2. Establish a set rotation.

I agree with this to a point. He really DOES have a set rotation except with respect to the role players. Starting lineup is dirk/stevie/finley/walker/fortson-bradley-najera. If one of those centers distinguished themselves I believe that would be set.

Now first off the bench (assuming that fortson-bradley-najera aren't stinking it up) is jamison. After that it looks like it will wind up being some combination of best-howard-delk.

So I guess I disagree with the idea that he's some sort of roll the dice to determine the lineup and rotation. I do think you have a point with the center position but I think that is mostly because we don't have good choices there.

At the end of games nellie believes in getting the best 5 players on the team on the floor period. I think those will be the starting 4 + jamison. I don't have an issue with that.

Getting wallace (assuming he's not as insane in person as he seems on the court) looks like an upgrade. I'm all for upgrades, talent at the end of the day is more competitive. Especially when you cannot get one of the top 3 players in the league. Because I cannot ever remember a team (except detroit I believe) without arguably the best player in the league winning the championship.

3. Believe you're as good as anybody in the league. Specifically, the Lakers.

I guess so but it really looks like a red herring to me, more of a play for the fans than the players. Let's say nellie came on the airwaves talking about how they were going to kick the lakers rears, that we are better than they are etc.,etc.,etc. BUT the players do not believe it. I don't, you don't, they don't. What exactly is the point in trying to fool the players, don't THEY have to think they are as good as the lakers? NVE did that for the mavs last year and it came from within, not from on-high. If I am the manager(coach) of this team the best thing I can do is to:

- Level to the team about where we are.
- Give them a valid, believable plan for getting to their goals.
- MEASURE the teams progress with important metrics, hopefully you have picked the right ones and stick to them.
- Get the best talent that you can. Remember that there are at least 28-32-?? other "companies" that are also trying to get the best talent so this is not always possible.
- Be open and creative about getting to the end goal despite your obstacles.
- Be willing to work as hard as the players (and probably harder) to show that it really matters.


Looking that those criteria it looks like my "company" is doing the things I expect.

With respect to last year, I think cubes concern with nellie was that he wasn't thinking OUT of the box even more since the mavs do NOT have the best talent and WILL NOT be able to get the best talent. So how do you meet your goals with that liability?

In some cases there may NOT be a solution at the present time. For example the only solution for another company to overtake intel/microsoft is for government (outside forces) to do something. Their talent level and inherent advantages will not allow another company to overtake them UNTIL some sort of discontinuity occurs.

Unfortunately this may also be the case with the current lakers. But you still have to compete.

[LRB]

He really DOES have a set rotation except with respect to the role players. Starting lineup is dirk/stevie/finley/walker/fortson-bradley-najera. If one of those centers distinguished themselves I believe that would be set.

Sorry but the starting lineup is more like dirk/stevie/finley/walker/fortson-bradley-najera-Delk

And talk about those centers establishing themselves???? Bradley has done a terrific job every time he's gotten a start this year and most everytime he's gotten significan playing time. But that doesn't keep him out of Nellie's doghouse. The other 2 are PF's and a SG in a PG's body. They play out of position so it's hard to distinguish yourself.

The simple fact is the last thing Nellie want is a set rotation. If the Mavs had Shaq, Duncan, Dirk, Kobe, and Kidd on the same team Nellie would probably want to start tinkering with the lineup. Make say start Tony Delk at the 2, and have Duncan come off the bench so we can have scoring or some such dumbass reason as that.

[dude1394]

Originally posted by: LRB

Sorry but the starting lineup is more like dirk/stevie/finley/walker/fortson-bradley-najera-Delk

OK.... Let me try again... First assumption is that EVERYONE IS HEALTHY.

Starting Lineup- Dirk, Steve, Finely, Walker, Fortson-Bradley-Najera. Delk will not start if everyone is healthy.
First off the bench is jamison. Second off looks like pretty soon to be best then howard. Howard will probalby start coming in for finley.

What exactly is your issue with the revolving lineups anyway this season. Nellie had a set lineup last year as well except for the role players.

Steve, Dirk, Finley, Lafrenz ----Raja/Griffin.. Bradley sometimes, sometimes not.


I like what bradley brings to the table but he does seem to be a knucklehead sometimes. I wish I knew why he doesn't get more playing time but you will have to convince a LOT more folks than I of the fact that he's the difference maker. I don't propose to be a basketball guru, but I also don't completely discount the amount of booing that goes on when shawn gets in the game or the venom that gets spouted against him here. I believe they probably have a point as well.

The simple fact is the last thing Nellie want is a set rotation. If the Mavs had Shaq, Duncan, Dirk, Kobe, and Kidd on the same team Nellie would probably want to start tinkering with the lineup. Make say start Tony Delk at the 2, and have Duncan come off the bench so we can have scoring or some such dumbass reason as that.

Talk about hyperbole. If the mavs had shaq, duncan, dirk, kobe and kidd on the team cubes would be coaching them and it wouldn't make any difference who else was in the league.

[MightyToine]

[quote]

Originally posted by: Charlie Brown
you're such a joke, man . . .

you take what i say and then exaggerate it to such an extent that it misses the valid points i'm trying to make and only add to your persistence in trying to just make fun of me b4 having actually read a lot of my posts . . . i don't know if it feeds your ego to make fun of others on the board, but whatever . . .

No man. You are the joke here for your *coughcoughAnalysisCoughcough* but as you said : Whatever. [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

in any case, i NEVER said it's ALL WALKER'S FAULT.

Oh really? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]

the mavs were already a highly efficient offensive team and if walker's so good for the mavs, his addition should have made us more efficient offensively, but that has yet to happen"

Care to elaborate, Chuck? [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

and I never said it's ALL his fault that the entire mavs team is shooting like shit. but i do believe that there are certain aspects of his game that makes the Mavs more inefficient offensively despite the several good stats (rbs, assts) he puts up.

I don't know man....That statement you made before was pretty anti-Walker but maybe I'm just imagining things, right? riiiiight.... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/img]

I really feel that late in the games, you need the ball in the hands of your best player.

I agree 100%, man. But our "Best Player" is INJURED now!! No one is stepping up so Walker feels he has to do SOMETHING...ANYTHING to help this team win. If Dirk was healthy, it would go to Dirk OBVIOUSLY. Walker's no Fool, chuck. This is Dirk's team but if Dirk is not healthy, someone has to step up. Fin SHOULD be the one to do that but he has been absolutely HIDEOUS lately....You can't have Nash shooting ALL THE TIME 'cause he has to continue to set up others for better looks at the basket....Jamison is a good post-player and offensive rebounder but he is like Walker*


*note : NOT Part of the BIG THREE.

I think with Walker on the floor, I feel that Nelson will be tempted more to go to Walker than Nowitzki and have Walker direct the offense along with Nash. I think this is a huge mistake. I see a lot of times where Walker can't find an open man late in games and he ends up flinging bad shots which he also did in Boston.

Chuck, what you feel and what you know is fact are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. Before Walker got traded, I "FELT" that Walker would not be traded. The Fact? Walker did.

As for Walker not finding the open man late in games and flinging up bad shots....Give me an example so I know what you are referring to this season. But don't talk to me about what he did in Boston 'cause I've followed him since the Pitino days over there. Let me tell you that the Walker you see now is EONS Better than the Walker over there....Trust me.

I prefer to keep it simple and have Nash find the open man or allow Dirk to go to work and let him develop his own passing game.

I prefer the simple approach as well. I also prefer that Nash throw the ball into WALKER In the LOW-POST where can do some damage. And why does Dirk need to develop his own Passing game? The team won 60 games last year for crying out loud. They won it NOT By Dirk's "passing game" but by his SHOOTING GAME which is what we really Miss right now. I don't think you were even thinking about Dirk's passing while you were(along with other Mavs fans) on that magical 60-win ride last season....

It seems that only NOW that we have Walker on the team who is a very good passer, you feel like Walker is showing up Dirk by being a better(yes...BETTER) passer than him. OH and what about Rebounding? How many boards did Dirk average Last season? I'll bet it wasn't close to what Walker is averaging now, is it?

Jealousy anyone? [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

what the hell is all this? i never said EVERYONE ON THE FREAKING TEAM IS MORE EFFICIENT THAN WALKER. the point i'm trying to make is that if you take each aspect of Walker's game, there is someone on the Mavs who we can play late in games that can do it more efficiently or just as well.

That's NOT what you said!! Want to refresh your memory? Here :

. . . i know it's early, but i think walker's addition simply takes away opportunities from other players who are more efficient at doing what he does . . .

Where in this statement did you mention the "Mavs who we can play LATE in Games" part?


EXACTLY. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/img]

Walker's passing - Nash is better.

AND? Nash better be BETTER at passing than Walker. He's the PG! lol.

But Walker's Passing is BETTER than Dirk's.

Walker's defensive rebounding - Dirk is just as good and maybe better.

Has Dirk ever averaged close to 10 boards a game? What did he average last year? Not bashing Dirk or anything....Just curious.

Walker's offensive rebounding - Jamison's just as good.

At least Walker FINISHES most of the time around the basket and doesn't miss a TRILLION tip-ins after getting an offensive rebound....OR when he gets the offensive rebound he brings back outside to Nash to re-set the offense...

Walker's scoring - Nash, Dirk, Jam, etc. are more efficient.

True. So what's your point? If Dirk is injured, Nash is struggling, and Jamison is missing a bunch of gimmes....What do you expect Walker to do? Just stand by and let the Mavericks play 4 on 5 basketball? Nellie would sit Walker's azz permanently if he didn 't make an Effort to SCORE.

I.E Walker does a lot of things well, but I don't think his skills will be missed when we have weaknesses that another player out there can address.

You can believe what you want but I'm telling you that Cuban is not Danny Ainge. He likes Walker and respects him. Nellie finally found his Point-Forward and I don't think he would approve of #8 being moved right after getting him for basically GARBAGE(Raef LaFrentz and junk)....

Walker's not a horrible player. I just think he's not the right fit with this team with the players we already have.

Tell that to DIRK who said in a recent article that it's "a Pleasure to play alongside him". [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]




Okay....WHEW! I'm out.

[Mandyahl]

did you seriously just ask if dirk has ever averaged close to 10 boards a game? haven't followed the mavs much until this year, eh? and that's really not very hard to look up on the internet either. but just so you won't have to, he averaged 9.9 rpg the last two years.

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: Mandyahl
did you seriously just ask if dirk has ever averaged close to 10 boards a game? haven't followed the mavs much until this year, eh? and that's really not very hard to look up on the internet either. but just so you won't have to, he averaged 9.9 rpg the last two years.

Mandy, I haven't. seriously...


9.9 the past two years? Very nice. But just because Walker is rebounding like Dirk doesn't mean that Dirk shouldn't rebound like himself last year, though....


But then again....Who really cares who rebounds as long as the Mavs get possession of the ball, right? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

[kg_veteran]

And why does Dirk need to develop his own Passing game? The team won 60 games last year for crying out loud. They won it NOT By Dirk's "passing game" but by his SHOOTING GAME which is what we really Miss right now. I don't think you were even thinking about Dirk's passing while you were(along with other Mavs fans) on that magical 60-win ride last season....

Actually, a lot of Mavs fans talked about Dirk's passing and how it could improve and was improving. He averaged 3 assists per last year, and he would average more if given the opportunity.

It seems that only NOW that we have Walker on the team who is a very good passer, you feel like Walker is showing up Dirk by being a better(yes...BETTER) passer than him.

This is a pretty weak argument. Charlie Brown is in favor of Dirk having the ball more often late in games because he's the best player (and scorer) on the team, not because he's mad Dirk's being shown up. Sheesh.

OH and what about Rebounding? How many boards did Dirk average Last season? I'll bet it wasn't close to what Walker is averaging now, is it?

sports.yahoo.com/nba

Try it. All you have to do is click on "Players," and then type "Nowitzki". Click on his name, and it'll bring up the stats for you.

Jealousy anyone? [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

Do better than this. Dirk is undeniably a better player than Walker.

At least Walker FINISHES most of the time around the basket and doesn't miss a TRILLION tip-ins after getting an offensive rebound....OR when he gets the offensive rebound he brings back outside to Nash to re-set the offense...

I like Walker a lot, but have you watched him this season? He hasn't been finishing all that well.


I think Walker fits in on this team pretty well, and I want to keep him around, so I generally agree with your position. I just don't think you're going to support your position by comparing Walker to Dirk.

[MightyToine]

I think Walker fits in on this team pretty well, and I want to keep him around, so I generally agree with your position. I just don't think you're going to support your position by comparing Walker to Dirk.

Mandy already corrected me on the rebounding thing, KG. Very impressive.

But as for the Assists, What Chuck is asking is to have Dirk pass more often than Shoot which isn't exactly preferable right now...ESPECIALLY NOW!! lmao! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]


Can dirk improve his Passing game? Probably. But Walker is the more "proven" passer between the two. I feel more comfortable with Walker passing than with Dirk passing....But then again, I have been following Walker since his days with the Celtics so I won't know how comfortable I would be with Dirk passing... In other words, It's best to go with the Devil you know than the Devil you don't know. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]



I'm glad you want Walker to stay as much as I do. It just seems to me that Chuck doesn't want Walker around....Or maybe it's just me.... [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

[dude1394]

For all we know one of the reasons walker was brought in was because dirk isn't getting much better passing out of the double-team. I can't say that he's been very sharp this year.

[Psychedelic Fuzz]

first, to respond in general to Charlie Brown's walker bashing.
you are trying to fit walker into what this team was last year, not what it is. it's a different animal. deal with it. the advantage to having walker, or any point forward, (in theory) is an inside out game that capitalizes on our shooting talents. You claim walker takes oppertunities away from more efficient players...I haven't seen anybody be efficient at much of anything, but walker is coming out and performing, even when the other four aren't.

I've remained silent on the lakers debacle so far, but if everyone else is going to knee jerk, I'm going to be the apologist (translated: big homer) I watched the game, and came away with these impressions.

1. NBA officiating sucks, and the inner workings of how officiating is supervised should be more public.
2. Karl Malone needs someone to pop him one in the mouth.
3. The mavs shot themselves in the foot. I think it was a 14-2 start, and the deficit never expanded significantly beyond that throughout the game, so if the mavs had made a few of those early shots, we might have seen a close game...which leads to my final conclusion...
4. The lakers are in this team's head, bigtime, and they can go toe to toe with the lakers once that is fixed.

[TwoDeep3]

Rasheed can guard a guy like Tim Duncan and occasionally be successful.

However, it is Shaq that is the problem. Not Duncan.