Mavs draft Shane Larkin @ 18

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Larkin ranked 9th on the team's board, according to Cuban.

In a vacuum where the Mavs weren't trying to shed salary for Dwight, I wonder how many of those 8 guys ahead of him were even available at #13?

[GP]

I don't believe for a second that he was the 9th rated player on their board. Then again, the Mavs probably have the absolute worst scouting and developmental program in the NBA. Now I like the young kid and hope he gets to stay a Mav and develop but it is very suspicious that the press conference has been pushed back so far. I feel bad for the kid to get drafted by such a goofball organization. By all accounts he is a great kid and a hard worker who no matter his ceiling will give it all he has and be a great teammate.

From what I can tell he reminds me most of Damon Stoudemire. I think that if he can be 1/2 as good as Damon then the pick will be alright. Still think it was a bad pick, but whatever. Mavs do all of these goofy machinations every year in the draft and usually do exactly the wrong thing.

Despite all the internet geniuses I read every day I still don't have a clue as to what Cuban is really up to. At this point, I am inclined to think that he is either on drugs or he is positioning the team to sell while paying lip service to winning and stringing the fans along. Nobody, takes a championship level squad with players in their prime and strip it down like they did. It really appears that all he has done is slash salaries to recoup his losses.

I think the whole argument most people make on these boards defending them about positioning for free agents is extremely weak and extremely sketchy. The thought that an "elite" free agent would forgo the 5th year on his contract to play for a stripped down squad with no history of draft success and possibly the highest player turnover rate in the NBA is just incredible. And even if a free agent would do such a thing would you really want someone that stupid leading your team. Last guy I ever saw that turned down the money (LeBron doesn't count as his basketball salary is miniscule compared to his other income) was Juan Gonzalez and that didn't turn out well.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by GP

I don't believe for a second that he was the 9th rated player on their board. Then again, the Mavs probably have the absolute worst scouting and developmental program in the NBA. Now I like the young kid and hope he gets to stay a Mav and develop but it is very suspicious that the press conference has been pushed back so far. I feel bad for the kid to get drafted by such a goofball organization. By all accounts he is a great kid and a hard worker who no matter his ceiling will give it all he has and be a great teammate.

From what I can tell he reminds me most of Damon Stoudemire. I think that if he can be 1/2 as good as Damon then the pick will be alright. Still think it was a bad pick, but whatever. Mavs do all of these goofy machinations every year in the draft and usually do exactly the wrong thing.

Despite all the internet geniuses I read every day I still don't have a clue as to what Cuban is really up to. At this point, I am inclined to think that he is either on drugs or he is positioning the team to sell while paying lip service to winning and stringing the fans along. Nobody, takes a championship level squad with players in their prime and strip it down like they did. It really appears that all he has done is slash salaries to recoup his losses.

I think the whole argument most people make on these boards defending them about positioning for free agents is extremely weak and extremely sketchy. The thought that an "elite" free agent would forgo the 5th year on his contract to play for a stripped down squad with no history of draft success and possibly the highest player turnover rate in the NBA is just incredible. And even if a free agent would do such a thing would you really want someone that stupid leading your team. Last guy I ever saw that turned down the money (LeBron doesn't count as his basketball salary is miniscule compared to his other income) was Juan Gonzalez and that didn't turn out well.

Stopped after paragraph 2 a lot of stupid nonsense here

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Stopped after paragraph 2 a lot of stupid nonsense here

I couldn't stop reading. It was like watching a slow motion train wreck; just couldn't look away.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I couldn't stop reading. It was like watching a slow motion train wreck; just couldn't look away.

You're precisely the guy he was talking about.

[Bayliss]

From what I can tell he reminds me most of Damon Stoudemire. I think that if he can be 1/2 as good as Damon then the pick will be alright. Still think it was a bad pick, but whatever. Mavs do all of these goofy machinations every year in the draft and usually do exactly the wrong thing.

That's not a bad comparison at all.

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

FTR, I don't think it's over for Dojo. I still think that if he develops his shot he can play in the NBA.

As for Cunningham, I'm pretty sure he will catch on, he has too much athleticism and good handles to not fit in somewhere. Maybe the pressure of performing for the team that drafts you played a role in their relative lack of success.

In other news if jj barea grows a foot he'd be a star.


Anyway, this actually points out one of the reasons I really like the Ledo pick. He's obviously got a high potential to amount to nothing or he wouldn't have been available in the 2nd round of a bad draft. That being said he's the first mags pick since devin without an absolutely glaring weakness. He's raw but he's got legitimate skills and nothing that another team can say ok we can attack _________.

[ribosoma]

Originally Posted by GP

I don't believe for a second that he was the 9th rated player on their board. Then again, the Mavs probably have the absolute worst scouting and developmental program in the NBA. Now I like the young kid and hope he gets to stay a Mav and develop but it is very suspicious that the press conference has been pushed back so far. I feel bad for the kid to get drafted by such a goofball organization. By all accounts he is a great kid and a hard worker who no matter his ceiling will give it all he has and be a great teammate.

From what I can tell he reminds me most of Damon Stoudemire. I think that if he can be 1/2 as good as Damon then the pick will be alright. Still think it was a bad pick, but whatever. Mavs do all of these goofy machinations every year in the draft and usually do exactly the wrong thing.

Despite all the internet geniuses I read every day I still don't have a clue as to what Cuban is really up to. At this point, I am inclined to think that he is either on drugs or he is positioning the team to sell while paying lip service to winning and stringing the fans along. Nobody, takes a championship level squad with players in their prime and strip it down like they did. It really appears that all he has done is slash salaries to recoup his losses.

I think the whole argument most people make on these boards defending them about positioning for free agents is extremely weak and extremely sketchy. The thought that an "elite" free agent would forgo the 5th year on his contract to play for a stripped down squad with no history of draft success and possibly the highest player turnover rate in the NBA is just incredible. And even if a free agent would do such a thing would you really want someone that stupid leading your team. Last guy I ever saw that turned down the money (LeBron doesn't count as his basketball salary is miniscule compared to his other income) was Juan Gonzalez and that didn't turn out well.

Holy F@ck, your post reeks of entitlement. A "goofball organization"? For someone who in one breath decries a team's scouting department, and in another compares Shane Larkin to Damon effing Stoudamire.... wow. You might want to make sure that you have a full deck to play with before calling out a pro scouting department.

As far as your bizarre assertions regarding free agents, you can have LeBron, how about his teammates who did the same thing? How about Pierce, Garnett, and Allen taking a bit less so the Celtics could extend Rondo?

And what the f@ck does Juan Gonzalez have to do with NBA free agents?

[sike]

I also don't believe that Larkin was 9th on their board....unless their board was only made up of guys they thought they had a chance of getting in the middle of the first round, claiming Larkin is the 9th best talent seems asinine.

Having said that, much of GP's post is on a train firmly headed to Crazytown.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by sike

I also don't believe that Larkin was 9th on their board....unless their board was only made up of guys they thought they had a chance of getting in the middle of the first round, claiming Larkin is the 9th best talent seems asinine.

Having said that, much of GP's post is on a train firmly headed to Crazytown.

I disagree, I think he was 9th on the board because they were also thinking fit, guys like Cody Zeller, Steven Adams, Anthony Bennett, didn't make sense for seperate reasons (zeller isn't a good enough rebounder/shot blocker for the 4, bennett is strictly a 4, adams you can't stash and isn't ready to play)

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by sike

I also don't believe that Larkin was 9th on their board....unless their board was only made up of guys they thought they had a chance of getting in the middle of the first round, claiming Larkin is the 9th best talent seems asinine.

Having said that, much of GP's post is on a train firmly headed to Crazytown.

Given the importance of the pick and roll game in the Mavs' offense, the value Rick puts on shooters, Larkin's aptitude in both areas last year, the team's track record with shorter point guards, and the insensitivity of ranks to distributional skew, I don't find it particularly implausible that they had him 9th on their board. If you're the Mavs, why lie when it's so easy to convey an optimistic perspective on the truth?

As for Ledo, he is interesting. If he makes the team this year I see him getting an eye-opening (or back-breaking) dose of Rick's impatience for lapses in focused competitiveness. Looks to have an uncommonly high ceiling for a 2nd rounder, though.

[oilfieldtrash]

I'm liking this pick the more I think about it. Guy has a great attitude and I'm sure he'll make an impact on the team eventually. You don't make it to be a top 20 pick in the nba draft at 5'10" without a never say die attitude. I hope we keep this guy.

[GP]

Wow! Some of you guys have some serious reading comprehension problems.

1/2 as good as Damon Stoudemire and frankly he wasn't that great.

Cuban has definitively slashed payroll for 2 years now.

Cuban also has admitted to losing tons of money by racking up an extremely high payroll for years.

Mavs have done some extremely crazy crap for the last couple of years. From giving a 1st for Fernandez to then trading him before he ever played and gave up assets just to jettison him.

Then they drafted Cunningham and now moved down AND gave up a 2nd round pick to get rid of him.

Please, I am not the one who is crazy here. You guys are freaking hilarious with your crap.

Take Dwight Howard for example. To come to Dallas he'd have to give up a 5th year and 30 mil guaranteed + his endorsement opportunities would also shrivel as well. Good grief, do you guys really think that playing in Dallas is better than playing in Los Angeles?

You guys keep continually buying BS and ridicule anyone who comes on here and doesn't see eye to eye with your fairy dust rosy peaches and cream world view. Here is a clue for you guys. People invented LYING many thousands of years ago so they could get what they want and both Cuban and Donnie have a long history of lying through their teeth. Believe what you want but some of you should develop some critical thinking skills.

And quite frankly, none of you guys know Cuban or Nelson and don't know what their angle is and what their intentions are. Cuban certainly isn't going to tell you that he is cutting salary to recoup some of his losses now is he? When the big nut job signs elsewhere then what? LeBron in 2014 and everybody is crazy when they are skeptical?

Geez, you guys take this crap way to seriously. It is basketball for crying out loud. It means less than nothing except for entertainment. Quit getting so upset when people don't see things the way you see them. Frankly, I've been reading this board for many years and the trolls are not who you think they are.

[GP]

Hell, if you guys want to see how crazy you appear on this board just check out the tags on some of the threads. Dallas-Mavs.com where internet bullies and internet tough guys hang out all day long to slap down any dissenting opinion and to ridicule people they don't even know. Maybe it is time for some of you folks to do some serious self evaluations and maybe get yourselves some productive past times or make some friends. Being vile on the internet to others just doesn't seem to be a very appealing lifestyle.

[OneLove22]

Originally Posted by GP

Hell, if you guys want to see how crazy you appear on this board just check out the tags on some of the threads. Dallas-Mavs.com where internet bullies and internet tough guys hang out all day long to slap down any dissenting opinion and to ridicule people they don't even know. Maybe it is time for some of you folks to do some serious self evaluations and maybe get yourselves some productive past times or make some friends. Being vile on the internet to others just doesn't seem to be a very appealing lifestyle.

Nice job GP. Are you more entitled to be an internet tough guy and bully or something?

[Dale4Saul2Red0]

Originally Posted by GP

I don't believe for a second that he was the 9th rated player on their board. Then again, the Mavs probably have the absolute worst scouting and developmental program in the NBA. Now I like the young kid and hope he gets to stay a Mav and develop but it is very suspicious that the press conference has been pushed back so far. I feel bad for the kid to get drafted by such a goofball organization. By all accounts he is a great kid and a hard worker who no matter his ceiling will give it all he has and be a great teammate.

From what I can tell he reminds me most of Damon Stoudemire. I think that if he can be 1/2 as good as Damon then the pick will be alright. Still think it was a bad pick, but whatever. Mavs do all of these goofy machinations every year in the draft and usually do exactly the wrong thing.

Despite all the internet geniuses I read every day I still don't have a clue as to what Cuban is really up to. At this point, I am inclined to think that he is either on drugs or he is positioning the team to sell while paying lip service to winning and stringing the fans along. Nobody, takes a championship level squad with players in their prime and strip it down like they did. It really appears that all he has done is slash salaries to recoup his losses.

I think the whole argument most people make on these boards defending them about positioning for free agents is extremely weak and extremely sketchy. The thought that an "elite" free agent would forgo the 5th year on his contract to play for a stripped down squad with no history of draft success and possibly the highest player turnover rate in the NBA is just incredible. And even if a free agent would do such a thing would you really want someone that stupid leading your team. Last guy I ever saw that turned down the money (LeBron doesn't count as his basketball salary is miniscule compared to his other income) was Juan Gonzalez and that didn't turn out well.

How can we have one of the best overseas scouting programs in the NBA which has been said numerous times then? Please do us all a favor and off yourself.

Answer this question how many ACC games did you watch this year? How many Miami games did you watch? How many times did you see Larkin play? I'd guess none and I'm on the opposite end here. Larkin was an outstanding pick and he comes from a pedigree in Barry Larkin. The kid gets it, he's a winner and has no problem having the ball in his hands during crunch time. This is what you want out of your PG among other things.

Find a new team to root for loser no one has time for your bullshit. Literally didn't read anything after your first post, LMFAO, awful awful AIDS of a poster. Can we ban him? Guy typed like 30 paragraphs worth of posts and he's saying we're the ones taking it too seriously. Too good loser, too good!

Wait wait I want to know who you would have picked because you're clearly a top tier scout and NBA teams are just haters for not offering you a front office job. Am I right?

[grndmstr_c]

Just saw this quote on today's db.com donuts, from Dirk before the draft:

"I can’t guarantee that we’ll keep the 13th pick, but I do like Shane Larkin,'' he said. "He’s a pretty gritty point guard and he looked like a great leader when I watched him lead Miami to the Sweet 16."

They go on to say that Rick was the one who really liked Shane, but still noteworthy that Dirk mentioned him specifically before the fact.

[nowhereman]

Originally Posted by GP

Wow! Some of you guys have some serious reading comprehension problems.

1/2 as good as Damon Stoudemire and frankly he wasn't that great.

Cuban has definitively slashed payroll for 2 years now.

Cuban also has admitted to losing tons of money by racking up an extremely high payroll for years.

Mavs have done some extremely crazy crap for the last couple of years. From giving a 1st for Fernandez to then trading him before he ever played and gave up assets just to jettison him.

Then they drafted Cunningham and now moved down AND gave up a 2nd round pick to get rid of him.

Please, I am not the one who is crazy here. You guys are freaking hilarious with your crap.

Take Dwight Howard for example. To come to Dallas he'd have to give up a 5th year and 30 mil guaranteed + his endorsement opportunities would also shrivel as well. Good grief, do you guys really think that playing in Dallas is better than playing in Los Angeles?

You guys keep continually buying BS and ridicule anyone who comes on here and doesn't see eye to eye with your fairy dust rosy peaches and cream world view. Here is a clue for you guys. People invented LYING many thousands of years ago so they could get what they want and both Cuban and Donnie have a long history of lying through their teeth. Believe what you want but some of you should develop some critical thinking skills.

And quite frankly, none of you guys know Cuban or Nelson and don't know what their angle is and what their intentions are. Cuban certainly isn't going to tell you that he is cutting salary to recoup some of his losses now is he? When the big nut job signs elsewhere then what? LeBron in 2014 and everybody is crazy when they are skeptical?

Geez, you guys take this crap way to seriously. It is basketball for crying out loud. It means less than nothing except for entertainment. Quit getting so upset when people don't see things the way you see them. Frankly, I've been reading this board for many years and the trolls are not who you think they are.

This is a terrific post.

[Murphy3]

Nice posting GP... The forum is a shell of it's former self for a reason..

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Just saw this quote on today's db.com donuts, from Dirk before the draft:

"I can’t guarantee that we’ll keep the 13th pick, but I do like Shane Larkin,'' he said. "He’s a pretty gritty point guard and he looked like a great leader when I watched him lead Miami to the Sweet 16."

They go on to say that Rick was the one who really liked Shane, but still noteworthy that Dirk mentioned him specifically before the fact.

Oh yeah dude. Larkin has Carlisle written all over him. A warrior who fights through people telling him he can't do it. If Larkin was 3 inches taller, then he would have been drafted ahead of Burke.

[nowhereman]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Oh yeah dude. Larkin has Carlisle written all over him. A warrior who fights through people telling him he can't do it. If Larkin was 3 inches taller, then he would have been drafted ahead of Burke.

This reminds me of when Josh Howard said that if Barea was 6 inches taller, he'd be Josh Howard. To which Mike Fisher hilariously responded on his blog that if Barea was 6 inches taller, he wouldn't be Josh Howard, he'd be Dwyane Wade.

[marc9211]

Originally Posted by GP

Wow! Some of you guys have some serious reading comprehension problems.

1/2 as good as Damon Stoudemire and frankly he wasn't that great.

Cuban has definitively slashed payroll for 2 years now.

Cuban also has admitted to losing tons of money by racking up an extremely high payroll for years.

Mavs have done some extremely crazy crap for the last couple of years. From giving a 1st for Fernandez to then trading him before he ever played and gave up assets just to jettison him.

Then they drafted Cunningham and now moved down AND gave up a 2nd round pick to get rid of him.

Please, I am not the one who is crazy here. You guys are freaking hilarious with your crap.

Take Dwight Howard for example. To come to Dallas he'd have to give up a 5th year and 30 mil guaranteed + his endorsement opportunities would also shrivel as well. Good grief, do you guys really think that playing in Dallas is better than playing in Los Angeles?

You guys keep continually buying BS and ridicule anyone who comes on here and doesn't see eye to eye with your fairy dust rosy peaches and cream world view. Here is a clue for you guys. People invented LYING many thousands of years ago so they could get what they want and both Cuban and Donnie have a long history of lying through their teeth. Believe what you want but some of you should develop some critical thinking skills.

And quite frankly, none of you guys know Cuban or Nelson and don't know what their angle is and what their intentions are. Cuban certainly isn't going to tell you that he is cutting salary to recoup some of his losses now is he? When the big nut job signs elsewhere then what? LeBron in 2014 and everybody is crazy when they are skeptical?

Geez, you guys take this crap way to seriously. It is basketball for crying out loud. It means less than nothing except for entertainment. Quit getting so upset when people don't see things the way you see them. Frankly, I've been reading this board for many years and the trolls are not who you think they are.

Wow GP people get on here to discuss possibilities and what could happen to their favorite sports team. Cuban is doing all he can to put us to the top.. go be a fan of a different team, this entire post is almost pointing towards a Cuban conspiracy. Of course we take basketball seriously.. were on a mavericks forum for god sake.. the casual fan doesn't look at forums. If you don't believe in your boss at work then don't work for him. If you don't believe in your teams owner then don't root for them.

[nowhereman]

Originally Posted by marc9211

Wow GP people get on here to discuss possibilities and what could happen to their favorite sports team. Cuban is doing all he can to put us to the top.. go be a fan of a different team, this entire post is almost pointing towards a Cuban conspiracy. Of course we take basketball seriously.. were on a mavericks forum for god sake.. the casual fan doesn't look at forums. If you don't believe in your boss at work then don't work for him. If you don't believe in your teams owner then don't root for them.

Or you know, we could talk Mavs without telling others to leave.

So many people here wanna be gatekeepers. You know he's been here 9 years longer than you have, right?

[marc9211]

Then he should know people like to talk about rumors and what could happen.. it's the funnest part of the off-season.

[ribosoma]

Originally Posted by nowhereman

This is a terrific post.

If racking up as many of THESE as possible denotes a terrific post, then yes, yes it was.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by ribosoma

If racking up as many of THESE as possible denotes a terrific post, then yes, yes it was.

Wow, a visual representation of every single conversation on the Internet, ever.

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Just saw this quote on today's db.com donuts, from Dirk before the draft:

"I can’t guarantee that we’ll keep the 13th pick, but I do like Shane Larkin,'' he said. "He’s a pretty gritty point guard and he looked like a great leader when I watched him lead Miami to the Sweet 16."

They go on to say that Rick was the one who really liked Shane, but still noteworthy that Dirk mentioned him specifically before the fact.

This is from an ESPN insider article where they had the players do a mock draft where a player chooses for their team. Dirk took Larkin with the Mavs 13th pick, but did mention trading down.

"Last year we were able to trade down and get better value,"

He also mentioned Larkin on The Ticket about an hour before the draft.

[stoble]

Whoa, did somebody criticize the Mavs FO? Is that allowed here?

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by stoble

Whoa, did somebody criticize the Mavs FO? Is that allowed here?

There is nothing wrong with criticizing the Mavs FO if you do it rationally.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by stoble

Whoa, did somebody criticize the Mavs FO? Is that allowed here?

People criticize the Mavs' FO on here all the time. Folks who do it with rational thinking and measured commentary get along just fine. Folks who resort to exaggeration and emotionally-laden rhetoric get chastised. Been that way for seven years (if not longer), and it will continue to be that way, I'm quite sure.

Originally Posted by Murphy3

The forum is a shell of it's former self for a reason..

I suspect it's because you actually used to contribute something of value, back in the board's alleged glory days.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

People criticize the Mavs' FO on here all the time. Folks who do it with rational thinking and measured commentary get along just fine.

Cite examples, please.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Cite examples, please.

And if they're not yours, make sure that you cite where you got them from.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Cite examples, please.

I'm actually significantly more willing to let you pretend to dispute what I said than to waste time pulling examples. Feel free.

[ribosoma]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

And if they're not yours, make sure that you cite where you got them from.

And they should probably be notarized and accompanied by a personal letter of reference from your third grade math teacher.

[SMC0007]

Hay! Sumbudy tole may sumbudy has a Fugg'n problem! Who?

[nowhereman]

Originally Posted by stoble

Whoa, did somebody criticize the Mavs FO? Is that allowed here?

short answer: no.

long answer: never.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by ribosoma

And they should probably be notarized and accompanied by a personal letter of reference from your third grade math teacher.

That's gonna be a problem, frankly, because my third-grade math teacher is also my notary.

[ribosoma]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

That's gonna be a problem, frankly, because my third-grade math teacher is also my notary.

Then we will definitely need a stool sample. And you have to visit OUR DOCTOR due to recent problems with counterfeiting.

[Bayliss]

Then we will definitely need a stool sample.

Any of his posts will qualify.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

Any of his posts will qualify.